Ban T.O. from NFL?


Originally Posted by Catawaba
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Um... I've read this thread three times now, and fail to see any name-calling. Unless "hilarious" or the ESPN reference is what you're upset about. For someone who had no qualms calling me out for "mistreating" my clown trigger before you knew the facts, you sure are being thin-skinned about the response to your thread.
There aren't a ton of TO fans out there, and for good reason. But you have to admit the poll choices and your opening post were far from balanced.
 

zsalinas

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So has anybody actually seen him spit on D'Angelo Hall. I haven't! D'Angelo Hall has a history of being a sh*t talker as well. D'Angelo claims to be one of the best defensive back in the league, He was just upset he ketp gettin burned by T.O.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
Yes I do, it is promoting poor sportsmanship ... I dont care if it is up to the official or not, and I dont care if it is his style of play or not, it is againast the rules of football ..... everybody has their breaking point, if I was in that position, I would have reacted as well. TO treated him like the peice of garbage he was acting like. How about when D Hall pounded ocho cinco well after the play was ver ... this guy also has a bad rep... and just because he was not penalized onm the field I beleive if the league is going to crack down on players it should be an all around effort in doing so.....
And
with Catawaba starting this thread and poll.... it was the classless way it was done that has irritated people ... look at the responses for voting.. both options put this player down and I dont agree with either one so I have not voted. It actually makes it look like someone has a problem with maturity issues. ..... and it is not T.O.
I don't beleive it to be classless. Why I do not share the view he should be banned...I can understand why others do.
There are several views to all issues...some skewed to an extreme...others skewed to the opposite extreme. other opinions may fall somewhere in between.
I beleive the individual selected a poor choice of words with their initial post. Should he be banned..if so for how long. He/she probably should have used suspended if so how long.
As a fan...we are entilted to opinions that others may not share..and yes, some may view it as classless. But at the end of the day......TO admitted spitting on the player right after the game in an interview. Some may wish to justify the action which is okay. But the issue at hand....is it acceptable action? The nfl has spoken in the past regarding this action as being unaccceptable
You can justify it, twist it, look at the past, etc....but the guy admitted to doing it. The question is...does the punishment fit the crime? Who knows what goes on at nfl headquarters and how they arrive at these decisions.
THe conduct you outlined regarding nfl play, pushing, shoving,jawwing goes on in most nfl games. They have brought in some new rules this year and it is up to the on-field officials to enforce them. The nfl reviews film and often fines players for activity that did not draw a flag...TO is not the only one. So, if the level of play by hall this past Sat warranted a fine the nfl would have done so for the actions hall took against TO.
I agree, in a physical game such as football stuff happens. I'm sure those in the past guilty of the act of spitting on another player would claim they too were a "victim of circumstance".
JMO
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Zsalinas
So has anybody actually seen him spit on D'Angelo Hall. I haven't! D'Angelo Hall has a history of being a sh*t talker as well. D'Angelo claims to be one of the best defensive back in the league, He was just upset he ketp gettin burned by T.O.
He admittted doing it in an interview with the nfl network right after the game. The cameras may not have caught the incident. it was left up to the nfl. I assumed they investigated and was satisfied the incident occurred. Unless there is a TO nfl conspiracy theory
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
I agree.
Where is Vicks banned thread???? IMO he is a disgrace for doing that to all the fans that pay his salary.
And I beleive that is muych worse than spitting at some punk.
Why didn't you start one if this is your opinion? i discussed this on another thread...but it was not the title of the thread.
 

oceanists

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I don't beleive it to be classless. Why I do not share the view he should be banned...I can understand why others do.
There are several views to all issues...some skewed to an extreme...others skewed to the opposite extreme. other opinions may fall somewhere in between.
I beleive the individual selected a poor choice of words with their initial post. Should he be banned..if so for how long. He/she probably should have used suspended if so how long.
As a fan...we are entilted to opinions that others may not share..and yes, some may view it as classless. But at the end of the day......TO admitted spitting on the player right after the game in an interview. Some may wish to justify the action which is okay. But the issue at hand....is it acceptable action? The nfl has spoken in the past regarding this action as being unaccceptable
You can justify it, twist it, look at the past, etc....but the guy admitted to doing it. The question is...does the punishment fit the crime? Who knows what goes on at nfl headquarters and how they arrive at these decisions.
THe conduct you outlined regarding nfl play, pushing, shoving,jawwing goes on in most nfl games. They have brought in some new rules this year and it is up to the on-field officials to enforce them. The nfl reviews film and often fines players for activity that did not draw a flag...TO is not the only one. So, if the level of play by hall this past Sat warranted a fine the nfl would have done so for the actions hall took against TO.
I agree, in a physical game such as football stuff happens. I'm sure those in the past guilty of the act of spitting on another player would claim they too were a "victim of circumstance".
JMO

Scuba you know I respect your opinion. And I think you are right , spitting at a player or anybody is not acceptable as an adult. Not his best choice. But like I said we all have our breaking point. T.O. decided to spit at that breaking point. T.O. openly admitted it. To say a fine doesnt hurt isnt really realistic because money is money that is another car he could have bought. And if it didnt bother him he wouldnt appeal it which he has decided to do.
Banning him isnt warrented at all and is really a silly opinion. There are many players that should be banned if that is the case in every sport.
What I mean by classless was the poll options.
Yes get him outta here and No hes a moron who can play ball.
Either way you vote your calling the kettle black.
It all boils down to maturity.
It would be the same reaction If I were to say should George Bush be banned.
No that idiot is doing a fine job at ruining the world or Yes I dont trust a man who cant compete in a 3rd grade spelling bee....
Its all tasteless
 

turningtim

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My 5yo little girl reaches her "breaking point" everyday when she doesn't get a nap! She still knows better than to spit at someone.
There is NO excuse for his actions PERIOD!
Breaking point! please! Coming from one of the biggest talkers in the league (on and off the field) you expect the NFL fans to buy he was at his "Breaking Point"
How long has he been in the league? How old is he? How much cash does he make to play a game?
No matter how/why you like this nut-job you/he can't explain away what he did!
Remember he has 25 MILLION good reasons to stay out of trouble. Its all on him and he still decides to push the envelope!
Oh yeah, I just heard that he didn't make the Pro-Bowl. Wonder why?
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by TurningTim
My 5yo little girl reaches her "breaking point" everyday when she doesn't get a nap! She still knows better than to spit at someone.
There is NO excuse for his actions PERIOD!
Breaking point! please! Coming from one of the biggest talkers in the league (on and off the field) you expect the NFL fans to buy he was at his "Breaking Point"
I agree with this 100%. If he lost his cool spitting should not be at the top of the list as an acceptable reaction. Regarless what hall may have done, the nfl in the past has viewed this as unacceptable.
I was hoping for a suspension...as that hurts the pocket book more than these riduclous fines. One game paycheck is a hit. I still am not sure a suspension is appropriate...I don't like the guy so I,m not sure I am objective. The league has spoken and hopefully...they are impartial with their analysis and conclusion.
The 49ers took this approach after Me-O spiked the ball on the Dallas Star at mid-field. THe league fined him but did not suspend him. THe 49ers suspended him for one game without pay.
 

emmitt2

Member
Pro bowl is a popularity contest and nothing more these days so not making it really doesnt say much except the fans dont like you. Clearly, the VAST majority of fans dont like TO and for good reasons. Heck, most Cowboy fans dont like him.
I'm certainly not making excuses for TO and it was a classless, childish thing to do. That being said, this whole incidents coverage is RIDICULOUS. To act like this is another black mark against Owens is a little silly IMO. As a cowboy fan, this really means nothing to me and does little or nothing to my opinion of TO. He is what he is and everyone knows it. As long as he doesnt ruin the locker room or do something that either the Cowboys or the league has to suspend him for, I'll be happy. Hes leading the league in td's receiving and playing pretty well but more importantly he hasnt publicly insulted or humiliated his QB, at least not yet.
This wouldnt even be a story if it wasnt TO. IMO this isnt really something that should be listed among TO's black marks. If this is the worst transgression he has as a Cowboy i'll be thrilled.
 

turningtim

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
but more importantly he hasnt publicly insulted or humiliated his QB, at least not yet.
This is yet to be seen. He has thrown 2 Pro Bowl QB's under the bus and Romo was just named.
Let the fire works begin!
The bigger question to me is, Does anybody really think that T.O. and the Tuna will be on the same team next year?
If Tuna decides to come back I think it will be without TO!
 

emmitt2

Member
They keepo saying he wont be back if Parcells is but i dont think its been that bad yet. To me , his on field performance has been enough to warrant being back since he hasnt done anything to really hurt the team yet.
I said he hasnt publicly humiliated Romo YET. He loves Romo now since Romo leans on him and throws to him alot. If that changes next year, Romo better start publicly dating ALOT of women because im have a sneaking suspicion TO will start calling him the same thing he did Garcia.
p.s.- Tim, i FINALLY got a sump/fuge. Well, actually i dont have it yet but my wife and parents are getting me a ecosystem sump/fuge for christmas. Now you shouldnt have to worry about me bugging you anymore. Well, i still might have to with the plumbing
Is your new sytem up and running?
 

turningtim

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That would be far to easy for him. One thing I can say is that TO is inventive. It such ashame that he just can't seem to be more construtive then destructive. Trust me I know, 35 years of watching the Beagles, I have to say that TO was an extreme disapointment for us.
The issue that I just can't get over is that I can't remember a player that was so out spoken on a Parcells team. Keyshawn? Was he with the jets when Tuna was there? He's just such a control freak that I find it hard to believe that this just isn't chewing him up inside.
Shoot me an email so we can talk! Haven't gotten anything done on my tank. Summer was busy and now I'm recovering from 2 broken fingers.......
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by TurningTim
This is yet to be seen. He has thrown 2 Pro Bowl QB's under the bus and Romo was just named.
Let the fire works begin!
The bigger question to me is, Does anybody really think that T.O. and the Tuna will be on the same team next year?
If Tuna decides to come back I think it will be without TO!
Remember, he is also on record stating he will be calling out his supposed snitch on the Dallas team. he is waiting for the time to be right as he does not want to disrupt the team...so why does he talk to the media about it now?
This could also lead to his exit in Dallas or parcells if it does happen
I beleive Parcells will be gone...TO as well. Not many coaches will want such a disruption/distraction on their team.
 

oceanists

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Originally Posted by TurningTim
My 5yo little girl reaches her "breaking point" everyday when she doesn't get a nap! She still knows better than to spit at someone.
There is NO excuse for his actions PERIOD!
Breaking point! please! Coming from one of the biggest talkers in the league (on and off the field) you expect the NFL fans to buy he was at his "Breaking Point"
How long has he been in the league? How old is he? How much cash does he make to play a game?
No matter how/why you like this nut-job you/he can't explain away what he did!
Remember he has 25 MILLION good reasons to stay out of trouble. Its all on him and he still decides to push the envelope!
Oh yeah, I just heard that he didn't make the Pro-Bowl. Wonder why?
If I hit your car got out and yelled at you saying it was your fault you crazy *****, when it was clearly my fault , sat there and argued with you while repeating your a moron (I hobestly dont think this, I am not putting you down) this is your fault ..... what would you do....
Once again we all have our breaking point.
Do you deal with customer service is there ever a point where you only want to talk to a supervisor ... this is your breaking point .... have you ever spanked or punished your children .... this is your breaking point. We all have one , and we have all reached it
Yes he could have let the touchdowns dcounteract what Hall did as it obviously did.... but he obviously wasnt that smart. Do I care? N. I wasnt spit at , and neither was anybody else .... right now the only fans that should be upset with a players actions are the fans of the Falcons, for when they were flipped off by there oh so mature Proffesional QB.
 

oceanists

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The third-year cornerback, who went to the Pro Bowl last year and won the NFL's Fastest Man competition in Hawaii this past February, has had his share of run-ins with players this season, including several Saturday night.
Aside from his game-long trash-talking battle with Owens, Hall had several questionable hits that flirted near the late-hit variety. Cowboys tackle Marc Colombo and Falcons defensive end Paul Carrington were both flagged for off-setting personal foul penalties on an extra point following a Cowboys touchdown in the third quarter. But it was Hall who actually started the skirmish, diving into Colombo's legs during the attempt and setting off the Cowboys' starting right tackle. And it was Hall who had to be restrained on the sidelines and had lengthy discussion with Falcons head coach Jim Mora Jr.
Earlier this season, Hall was called out by Lions center Dominic Raiola, who apparently had seen enough after Hall went after Lions quarterback John Kitna, who was already engaged in a fight with another player during a Nov. 5 game in Detroit.
"I wish I had been closer to the play, because I would have loved to take DeAngelo Hall's head off," Raiola said. "I promise that if I see him on the field again, I'll try to take his head off. I don't care if it is 10 or 15 years from now, and we're playing for different teams -- I'll try to get him. He's a cheap-shot artist -- he tried to hurt (Bengals RB) Rudi Johnson last week -- and that was a cheap shot. You don't go after a guy's head."
Three weeks later, Hall was flagged for a personal foul after giving up a 76-yard touchdown pass to New Orleans wide receiver Devery Henderson on the third play from scrimmage. After getting burned on the play, Hall dragged Henderson down eight yards into the end zone from behind in the "horse collar" technique.
While Saturday's incident certainly is the biggest involving Owens and Hall, it's not exactly the first. The two have traded a few words through the media, especially after last year's season opener when Owens played for the Eagles.
"Last year he said he shut me down, and yet I had (112) yards," said Owens, who caught seven passes during the Eagles' loss to the Falcons. "So he's going to say whatever he wants to say. I just wanted to come out there (Saturday night) and show him what I'm made out of."
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
"Last year he said he shut me down, and yet I had (112) yards," said Owens, who caught seven passes during the Eagles' loss to the Falcons. "So he's going to say whatever he wants to say. I just wanted to come out there (Saturday night) and show him what I'm made out of."
He sure showed him what he is made of...spitting on him....enough said. Regadless of the opinion someone might have regarding Hall...spitting is still viewed as unacceptable on-field behavior by the nfl.
I don;t think Henderson spat on him though...that is the difference between class and.........no class IMO.
I forgot about the horse collar...was not even that hard. He got flagged as he should have. That was more blatant though then anything it appeared TO had done to him on Sat night.
 

catawaba

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WOW!
Poll options should be read as "Get him out of the NFL" and "He might be a moron, but he sure can play ball"
Forgive me for posting. You've chased another one off the boards.
 

jenni620

Member
chased another one off the boards?? what are you talking about?
anyway, T.O. is an idiot. I live in the Dallas area, and a lot of people that I hear talking about him really don't like him. I am NOT a football fan, and ESPECIALLY not a Cowboys fan, and it is for reasons like this...they always seem to have troublemakers on the team. I am pretty disgusted about that $1 billion stadium they are having built....oh well. Hopefully T.O. won't be around next season...
 
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