BIO wheel!?

[aztec reef]

. The biowheel is just another place to grow, .
What would you compare the Biowheel to:?
a: a piece of live rock (what size)
b. a sponge/carbon cartridge
c.a dsb
d. a skimmer
Or none of the Above..
Then what?

 

[aztec reef]

This is a contradiction, IMO. "Nothing would happen.....it depends on your all around filtration." If you all around filtration is insufficient, this advice could be catastrophic under certain circumstances.
Wouldn't this mean that it's Dependant of it?

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
You just proved my point

Now imagine YOU or the LFS removing this biowheel. What will happend?

It would quite possibly crash the tank. Many LFS do not have much else in the way of a biological filter except for the "maligned" biowheels, bioballs, cannister or sand filter.
Basically, if you have a tank that has a bunch of LR, you may not need it.
But removing the biowheel in tanks that do not have much LR would be equivalent to removing the LR in a tank that uses it as a primary filter.
It can cause a crash. I would never recommend, off hand, removing this without more information.

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Wouldn't this mean that it's Dependant of it?

A tank is dependent on its biological filter.
Remove it, whatever it may be (LR, Biowheel) and you will crash the tank. I really don't understand :notsure:

 

[aztec reef]

well i thought someone said that the biowheel will never crash a Tank (regarless of size) If it was "removed". because it doesn't have Large enuff surface area to colonize bacteria. That it would be Impossible to crash any system.Even the ones that had Biowheel as a Primary fitration. (which rarely any saltwater hobbiests does)..

 

[aztec reef]

This is what i meant.
Originally Posted by reefkprZ
its like some one was saying not to use a bag of seeded CC to start a tank because the tank would rely on the bag and not the actual sand bed or LR in the tank. I'm sorry but everything is going to get covered with biofilm and a biowheel just doesnt have the capacity to remove enough through die off to crash any but the smallest of small tanks. true you are going to expirience a removal of some bacteria (IF the unit malfunctions), but will pulling out one piece of live rock cause a cycle? no. I think your giving biowheels way to much credit in form of capacity in their ability to support bacteria.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
I also find the idea that a tank will become dependant on it if you also have live rock a bit silly.
I never Recall saying "EVEN IF YOU HAVE LIVE ROCK" Please do a search on my POSTS if you wanna make Quotes like that

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
You just proved my point

Now imagine YOU or the LFS removing this biowheel. What will happend?
I know exactly what will happen, and I've never advocated removing it if it's your only source of biological filtration. You're the one running around saying people should get rid of them.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
. The biowheel is just another place to grow, .
What would you compare the Biowheel to:?
a: a piece of live rock (what size)
b. a sponge/carbon cartridge
c.a dsb
d. a skimmer
Or none of the Above..
Then what?
A and B (though carbon isn't intended as a place to cultivate bacteria, it just happens to also grow there), somewhat C, and definitely not D. What's your point?

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
I never Recall saying "EVEN IF YOU HAVE LIVE ROCK" Please do a search on my POSTS if you wanna make Quotes like that

You may think that it's all about you, but I never directly attributed that belief to you, I was merely adding to my statement.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
What would you compare the Biowheel to:?
a: a piece of live rock (what size)
b. a sponge/carbon cartridge
c.a dsb
d. a skimmer
Or none of the Above..
Then what?
A and B (though carbon isn't intended as a place to cultivate bacteria, it just happens to also grow there), somewhat C, and definitely not D. What's your point?
My point is if you HAVE either A,B, or C. Is the biowheel really NEDEED?

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
You may think that it's all about you, but I never directly attributed that belief to you, I was merely adding to my statement.
You're not really following this thread, are you? sorry but that was intended for me. Start reading from the begining and you'll figure it out..

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
You're not really following this thread, are you? sorry but that was intended for me. Start reading from the begining and you'll figure it out..
I have read from the beginning, the parts that mattered anyway. You still don't seem to fully understand what the biowheel supporters are saying, and still don't realize that the shortcomings you see them as having actually apply to any type of filter media.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
A and B (though carbon isn't intended as a place to cultivate bacteria, it just happens to also grow there), somewhat C, and definitely not D. What's your point?

My point is if you HAVE either A,B, or C. Is the biowheel really NEDEED?
You're really missing the point. The people who use biowheels generally don't have A or B. No one has said that you need to or should use a biowheel in addition to other forms of biological filtration, just that having a biowheel in addition to those other forms isn't likely to cause any sorts of problems and may in fact be an added benefit.

 

[aztec reef]

I think you and others are missing my point, This is the original post:.....
so i went out today and got a superdeal on a huge HOB filterlike 350gph and it has a bio wheel. i rember reading somewhere about them and i cant rember for the life of me what is said so can someone help are they ok to use or no take it out asap!... i still have the skilter on the tank and a powerhead in the tank thats it ! other then the 45lbs of LR [/QUOTE]
So, now is it needed or what?
Who runs any type of Tank with just a Biowheel? No one right, They either have some sand,liverock,hob filter,sump and what not.
Again, you're giving the Biowheel too much credit..
I'M ALL FOR IT. "BIOWHEELS" IF IT'S THE ONLY TYPE OF FILTRATION

***)

 

[reefkprz]

bio wheel. i rember reading somewhere about them and i cant rember for the life of me what is said so can someone help are they ok to use or no
Quote from original post
as was said in the original post he asked if they are ok to use the answer was then and is now yes they are ok to use, nowhere have I or anyone else said that he needed to run it. he got a simple remove it its bad answers and thats just not true. they are ok to use, and can be benificial. I have seen NO concrete evidence in any form what so ever that using biowheels are going to crash a tank. so the answer remains the same yes they are ok to use. and can be benificial as another form of filtration. just because someones opinion is its useless to run one if your tank is setup right its not useless its more filtration. If its redundant to run thats ok, having redundant systems (such as several heaters, extra powerheads, more LR than the bare minimum actually helps protect our tanks from crashes.

 

[aztec reef]

That's cool, I say it's your tank it's your choice!!
But why have something that Can cause Harm in the long run..
Personally, just the plain reason of Nitrate buildup..is enuf for me

Now, before this turns back to the lame argument again about denitrification process..and how lack of maintanance makes nitrates.
Let's get Realistic here people, how many people do you think, that use the Biowheel Now Or used it before Know/Knew that they're suppost to maintain the "Biowheel"?
It doesn't tell you to do SO in the Instructions, how would NEW Hobbysts know that, OTHER than from reading this THREAD?
So, can you see now how Biowheels CAN be "bad" for New hobbysts..

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
That's cool, I say it's your tank it's your choice!!
But why have something that Can cause Harm in the long run..
Personally, just the plain reason of Nitrate buildup..is enuf for me

Now, before this turns back to the lame argument again about denitrification process..and how lack of maintanance makes nitrates.
Let's get Realistic here people, how many people do you think, that use the Biowheel Now Or used it before Know/Knew that they're suppost to maintain the "Biowheel"?
It doesn't tell you to do SO in the Instructions, how would NEW Hobbysts know that, OTHER than from reading this THREAD?
So, can you see now how Biowheels CAN be "bad" for New hobbysts..
Have you ever actually used a biowheel and had actual experience with it causing harm, or are you just repeating nonsense you've read in other threads?

 

[aztec reef]

Actually my friend, I use to run my biowheel in my Emperor 400. You really need to RE-read the whole thread Again

Googleling and copying other peoples Experiences is not my Style. sorry
Alot of people here talk from research and Stealing other peoples comments.
That is good to a point..
A Dr. is not a DR. after he has he's Title!! He becomes a DR. when he practices/Experiences. other than that is all just Text Book..I can do that

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Actually my friend, I use to run my biowheel in my Emperor 400. You really need to RE-read the hole thread Again

Googleling and copying other peoples Experiences is not my Style. sorry
Alot of people here talk from research and Steeling other peoples comments.
That is good to a point..
A Dr. is not a DR. after he has he's Title!! He becomes a DR. when he practices/Experiences. other than that is all just Text Book..I can do that

You did say that you used an Emperor, but without the biowheel. I take that to mean that you have no long-term experience with a biowheel, which means you're hardly qualified to pass judgment on what they do and don't do.
BTW - If you want me or anyone else to take your opinions seriously, you need to learn to write at a level above grammer school. "Hole" in the case of this thread would be spelled "whole," and "steel" is spelled with an "a", as in steal. Random capitalization (or lack thereof) and run-on sentences don't make you sound very knowledgeable, either. You know, like in text books...