Breaking News! 08.23.08 12:50am Obama chooses BIDEN!

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2737084
2nd if we want to get economy going we have to take part in a project such as alternative eneregy .. which includes drilling, wind/solar, as well as vehicles. The other thing would be our infrastructure... roads and bridges..
If it has to be federally subsidized to be viable, it will be a net drain on our economy not a boom...
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2737045
Really, got a source? If there was anything to any of that the Times would be running it daily. Fact is McCains ex has chosen not to discuss it and he needs to show enough class to respect her privacy.
This is actually old news... McCain was questioned about it recently as far as the timeline... I think it was part of a book or interview or something... can't remember .. but he gave a specific timeline of events... that didn't match up with filed state records...
It is something that happened 25 or so years ago... does it show character flaws ... yes... did he lie... yes..... but I wouldn't change my vote based on that... if I were to vote or not vote for him...
What he is playing is the POW thing.... again what I've heard is that if the true record of events came out... it wouldn't show McCain in a positive light... it would somewhat tarnish it.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2737089
If it has to be federally subsidized to be viable, it will be a net drain on our economy not a boom...
Iraq is draining our economy... and it would create a lot of new jobs as well as keeping America employed and ahead of the curve... Look at what China did with the Olympics... that should be a sign that we need to step our game up.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2737039
How is it debatable? What are they(cells)if not human? Or they cat or dog or plant life of some sort? Of course it is human life. It is impossible for them to be anything else. Yours is a ridiculous position.
so that means no stem cell development then ... of any kind.. as well as other scientific methods... I think that there should be some allowance ... but stricter timetable...
I know what is morally right... but I also know that some don't have the same morals... and that biblical teaching isn't always accepted. I believe in abstenence, responsiblilty, and adoption.... however we don't have enough of all the things I mentioned... I would narrow the window to which one could be obtained if it were my decision.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2737072
McCain imo said it was his greatest mistake.
I don't see him denying fault in that satement.
I am talking about the other stuff cheating etc. I mentioned earlier in this thread that McCain showed a lot of class by owning up to the fact the divorce was his fault.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2737097
Iraq is draining our economy... and it would create a lot of new jobs as well as keeping America employed and ahead of the curve... Look at what China did with the Olympics... that should be a sign that we need to step our game up.

Umm, basically everything we buy for Iraq is american made, purchased from american companies who sell their product to the military and other contractors working over there... We pay Americans to go over there... What is the lastest dollar amount the libs are throwing around? 5 Billion a month. 5*12= 60 billion a year. Our GDP is 13 trillion a year (2006) 60 b/13 trillion = .5% of our gdp.

There is money staying over there, that is true but war has historically helped the American Economy... When you read stuff saying Iraq is a drain, think about how much is actually being spent in the USA....
Yawn china built a couple stadium... Have a giant airport. New York city is building three stadiums and has 2 big airports...
 

1journeyman

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Rylan... wow...
I'm too jet lagged right now to properly reply.
I'll leave you with this; How many factories did China shut down to try to improve the air quality before the olympics?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2737084
It doesn't raise everyones taxes... the ones it does they can afford it... I also have been hearing lately that it is possible that McCain would raise taxes... basically that it couldn't be ruled out... kinda like what happened during 1st Bush admin.
I think raising taxes is an essential part of responsible fiscal management. If we want to spark the economy... we need to lower debt by more revenue and less spending... We also will need to continue and expand social services due to unemployement and bad economy...etc.
No way can continue war w/o more tax revenue
2nd if we want to get economy going we have to take part in a project such as alternative eneregy .. which includes drilling, wind/solar, as well as vehicles. The other thing would be our infrastructure... roads and bridges..
Well here's the difference between liberal thought and conservative thought. I believe people should do all they can for themselves, then city, county, state then federal governments. People don't need more welfare, they need better jobs. The government isn't going to foster an environment where that is going to happen by raising taxes on those creating the jobs.
Overall our economy has done well the last 8 years considering all the hits. We were going into a recession when bush took office and then 9-11, corporate scandals came to light (Enron etc.) none of which were Bushes fault. In the wake of all of that we reached historically low un employment rates and still at under 6% fairly low unemployment.
I know the rust belt is hurting worse than most but hopefully someone in DC will wake up to the fact that the low value of the dollar is giving us a prime opportunity to bring back some of our manufacturing base. Toyota and BMW both just announced they are going to start building more cars in the US that will be exported.
I don't see the need to explode federal spending programs. Raising taxing in a tight economy is folly. What needs to happen is proper priorities need to be placed on federal spending. That is one of the reasons I am hopeful McCain will turn out to be the right man at the right time, he has a long record of opposing senseless spending.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2737133
Rylan... wow...
I'm too jet lagged right now to properly reply.
I'll leave you with this; How many factories did China shut down to try to improve the air quality before the olympics?
Are you back in Texas?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2737094
This is actually old news... McCain was questioned about it recently as far as the timeline... I think it was part of a book or interview or something... can't remember .. but he gave a specific timeline of events... that didn't match up with filed state records...
It is something that happened 25 or so years ago... does it show character flaws ... yes... did he lie... yes..... but I wouldn't change my vote based on that... if I were to vote or not vote for him...
What he is playing is the POW thing.... again what I've heard is that if the true record of events came out... it wouldn't show McCain in a positive light... it would somewhat tarnish it.
I have never seen anything about specifics of McCains divorce except he remarried quickly. That doesn't mean he cheated or anything else. Also have never heard a single credible source question McCain's actions as a POW. When you lump all that stuff together it just equals another conspiracy theory.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2737150
I have never seen anything about specifics of McCain's divorce except he remarried quickly. That doesn't mean he cheated or anything else. Also have never heard a single credible source question McCain's actions as a POW. When you lump all that stuff together it just equals another conspiracy theory.
He made of those I'm an American propaganda videos. Once. After being tortured every day, without food, and a dysentery. The guy is a bum.
You know what is funny, they played all the anti-war crowd's statements, speeches and testimony as a way to erode the moral of the prisoners. He could have potentially heard Kerry and his statements made while protesting the war...
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2737155
He made of those I'm an American propaganda videos. Once. After being tortured every day, without food, and a dysentery. The guy is a bum.
You know what is funny, they played all the anti-war crowd's statements, speeches and testimony as a way to erode the moral of the prisoners. He could have potentially heard Kerry and his statements made while protesting the war...
Thats all they got? How long did they have to torture Jane fonda before she straddled the gun in North Vietnam?
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2737084
It doesn't raise everyones taxes...
If we want to spark the economy... we need to lower debt by more revenue and less spending...
We also will need to continue and expand social services due to unemployement and bad economy...etc.

To tax plan of obama yes it does on me. My wife and I make 80,000 a year.
The other two sentences, please read them and tell me how you can say one in one breath and then follow it with exactly the opposite in another. Obama, is that you?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2737167
Thats all they got? How long did they have to torture Jane fonda before she straddled the gun in North Vietnam?
It makes me laugh, when I was reading the rylan line, they almost charged McCain. I thought of jane fonda and john kerry and laughed, they couldn't possibly charge McCain, but let the likes of those two run free.
 

1knight164

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2737136
What needs to happen is proper priorities need to be placed on federal spending. That is one of the reasons I am hopeful McCain will turn out to be the right man at the right time, he has a long record of opposing senseless spending.
All those "pork barrel" projects need to be be scrutinized more carefully as well. Most of them are just a waste of fed tax payer money for the benefit of few. If the state wants is, they should pay for it with state taxes.
 
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