Bush's War

rudedog40

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2566489
Well I see it more like the yard around your house being full of snakes . YOu have to go out and get rid of them everyday otherwise one will slip thru a crack and come in your home then when your duaghter goes to get a drink of water in the middle of the night the snake will bite her and she will die . All because you wanted to let the snakes live .
So for the last 40 years how much poking have we done ? Pre 9-11 how much poking had we done to Al Queda ? That seamed to work didn't it ?
All the attacks against the US are no more than a retaliation for us getting involved with their politics and battles in the first place. If we'd have never gone over there to poke our heads into their business, I'd bet you'd see little or no direct attacks of terrorist on US soil. Like I said, Middle East countries are not powerful enough to be a player in world domination. That can flex their muscle in their own borders, but outside of them, they are wimps. They'd know what would happen to them if they did try an aggressive strike on a major country. The World Powers wouldn't stand for it, and wipe them off the face of the Earth.
How much prodding did we do to Al Qaida pre 9-11? I guess enough to make them want to come over here and do what they did. You think they picked attacking the US simply because the opportunity was there? It was a retalitory strike back for the US invading their territory. But 9-11 did show one thing. It showed the World the US isn't as strong as they used to be. Look at what Russia did to that region. Have you heard of any major terrorist attacks on Russian soil? North Korea just spits in our face and says, "Yea, we have nuclear devices. Whatcha gonna do about it?" Don't see Bush ready to start anything over there again. Show weakness, and someone will take advantage of it. 9-11 was proof of that.
 

rudedog40

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2566403
Yeah, right. Dunno what your cousin's issues are but as of about 3 months ago a friend in Montana who runs a company producing on both private and public leases was pumping it fast as they could, just like everyone else.
He may be pumping it, but how much of that is he able to sell? I'm just stating what I've been told. My cousin has no reason whatsoever to lie to me.
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566538
All the attacks against the US are no more than a retaliation for us getting involved with their politics and battles in the first place. If we'd have never gone over there to poke our heads into their business, I'd bet you'd see little or no direct attacks of terrorist on US soil. Like I said, Middle East countries are not powerful enough to be a player in world domination. That can flex their muscle in their own borders, but outside of them, they are wimps. They'd know what would happen to them if they did try an aggressive strike on a major country. The World Powers wouldn't stand for it, and wipe them off the face of the Earth.
How much prodding did we do to Al Qaida pre 9-11? I guess enough to make them want to come over here and do what they did. You think they picked attacking the US simply because the opportunity was there? It was a retalitory strike back for the US invading their territory. But 9-11 did show one thing. It showed the World the US isn't as strong as they used to be. Look at what Russia did to that region. Have you heard of any major terrorist attacks on Russian soil? North Korea just spits in our face and says, "Yea, we have nuclear devices. Whatcha gonna do about it?" Don't see Bush ready to start anything over there again. Show weakness, and someone will take advantage of it. 9-11 was proof of that.

So we should let human right violations occur in other nations ? We should sit back and let the middle east crumble into civil war fueled by wepons of mass destruction ? We should allow nations that are bent on destruction and iradication of the jewish faith and western ideals to gain power in the region ?
You say that war is not the answer than contradict your self by saying "Show weakness and someone will take advantage of it ".
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566541
He may be pumping it, but how much of that is he able to sell? I'm just stating what I've been told. My cousin has no reason whatsoever to lie to me.

How much can he sell? Why would he pump it if he can't sell it? I just looked and the activity rate for US drilling rigs it at over 80%. You don't be drilling new wells if you can't sell all your current production.
 

suzy

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566538
All the attacks against the US are no more than a retaliation for us getting involved with their politics and battles in the first place. If we'd have never gone over there to poke our heads into their business, I'd bet you'd see little or no direct attacks of terrorist on US soil. Like I said, Middle East countries are not powerful enough to be a player in world domination. That can flex their muscle in their own borders, but outside of them, they are wimps. They'd know what would happen to them if they did try an aggressive strike on a major country. The World Powers wouldn't stand for it, and wipe them off the face of the Earth.
How much prodding did we do to Al Qaida pre 9-11? I guess enough to make them want to come over here and do what they did. You think they picked attacking the US simply because the opportunity was there? It was a retalitory strike back for the US invading their territory. But 9-11 did show one thing. It showed the World the US isn't as strong as they used to be. Look at what Russia did to that region. Have you heard of any major terrorist attacks on Russian soil? North Korea just spits in our face and says, "Yea, we have nuclear devices. Whatcha gonna do about it?" Don't see Bush ready to start anything over there again. Show weakness, and someone will take advantage of it. 9-11 was proof of that.
+ 1
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566245
I see we agree that terrorism is something that will never go away. But you want to keep poking a stick at it hoping it doesn't strike back. Sorry, but if I come across something that may inflict pain on me, I steer clear and go the other way. You leave it alone, and eventually, it'll leave you alone.
What exactly do you base this theory on? Where were we "poking" before 9-11?
Terrorism will always be a tactic used, but terrorist cells and groups can certainly be defeated.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2566226
BS. If the Cons wanted to drill our Strategic Oil Reserves, they would have. You keep blaming all our countries woes on the libs when the cons had complete control of congress!
Geez, I wonder why they call it "Reserves", like we are saving it or something.

Plus, if Exxon did tap our reserved oil, why do you think they would sell it here? They can get $8 bucks a gallon in Europe.


You're not too familiar with the strategic oil reserves and how they are managed I see.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566538
... Have you heard of any major terrorist attacks on Russian soil? North Korea just spits in our face and says, "Yea, we have nuclear devices. Whatcha gonna do about it?" Don't see Bush ready to start anything over there again. Show weakness, and someone will take advantage of it. 9-11 was proof of that.
Ok... first; Weakness is "cutting and running". So I agree we should not show weakness.
Second, Korea is a direct result of "talking" during Clinton's Presidency.
Third, As a matter of fact there have been numerous attacks on Russian soil.
*http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe...russia.school/
*http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/te...n_derailment-0
*http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172088,00.html
...
The common theme is Radical islamists. They aren't going to go away if we hide over here on this continent. This isn't the 1700's. We can't pretend that world events don't affect us.
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2566676
Totally agree! A link to Faux new rox! Perfect!
Like anyone is going to click, though.
Faux news ? I guess youtube is a more reliable source ? Or your imaginary sunday morning program that took place with collin powell ?
 

suzy

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Well, yeah! I want unbiased news!
I do love the clips of Powell on Youtube. He is so smart, I wish O would pick him for VP.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2566676
Totally agree! A link to Faux new rox! Perfect!
Like anyone is going to click, though.
That's why I linked 3 different sources for three different events. I assumed you would have an issue with at least one of the sources. That said, unless you are willing to argue Fox News is single handedly bombing Russian targets and framing radical islamists your lack of reading the link is rather moot.
I do love the assault on Fox News, btw. Must drive you crazy that they were the number 6 most watched cable channel last year. (The Clinton News Network, the next best rated cable news program, ranked in at 26th)
 

rudedog40

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2566583
So we should let human right violations occur in other nations ? We should sit back and let the middle east crumble into civil war fueled by wepons of mass destruction ? We should allow nations that are bent on destruction and iradication of the jewish faith and western ideals to gain power in the region ?
You say that war is not the answer than contradict your self by saying "Show weakness and someone will take advantage of it ".
Why has the US been designated the Protector Of The World? Why are we responsible for maintaining human rights for every stinking country on Earth? That's the problem. We stuck our nose into everyone's business, and now they want to shoot it off. We're on the other side of the ocean from these countries. What wrong with Russia or the European Nations taking care of that region? Oh that's right! You don't want Russian influences in the Middle East. They may ban together and start another Cold War. Let China deal with them. Better yet, North Korea. They can test their nuclear capabilities on that entire region.
Take a look at that TV series Jericho. Let's say that really did occur, and it divided this country like it was during the Civil War. Do you think any country in this World would come over here and get involved with making things better again? Do you think they'd care? If anything, they'd come over to try and take the country away from us. Don't think they would donate billions of dollars to rebuild the USA.
 

suzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2566746
I do love the assault on Fox News, btw. Must drive you crazy that they were the number 6 most watched cable channel last year. (The Clinton News Network, the next best rated cable news program, ranked in at 26th)
Not really. I understand that there is an audience for fixed news, and all the real news station have to share the normal people. I like MSN, my husband likes CSPAN, my brother watches CNN, and most people watch the national news at 6 pm on the local staions. So, it makes sense that all the Cons watching one station would drive up their ratings. I read somewhere that the ratings for fixed news (and the comedy shows of Hannity and the like) are going down, though.
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566820
Why has the US been designated the Protector Of The World? Why are we responsible for maintaining human rights for every stinking country on Earth? That's the problem. We stuck our nose into everyone's business, and now they want to shoot it off. We're on the other side of the ocean from these countries. What wrong with Russia or the European Nations taking care of that region? Oh that's right! You don't want Russian influences in the Middle East. They may ban together and start another Cold War. Let China deal with them. Better yet, North Korea. They can test their nuclear capabilities on that entire region.
Take a look at that TV series Jericho. Let's say that really did occur, and it divided this country like it was during the Civil War. Do you think any country in this World would come over here and get involved with making things better again? Do you think they'd care? If anything, they'd come over to try and take the country away from us. Don't think they would donate billions of dollars to rebuild the USA.
Why are we not responsable for helping to build a better world for everybody ? Why are we not in a position as a super power to place democracy into countries that badly need it ?
Why not let the chinese and the rusians go in and install a comunistic regiem ? Do you really need me to cover this ?
Why not let the north koreans go in and set up a comunist dictatorship ? How is allowing another country to become a nuclear capable entity controlled by militan radical idealists a good idea ?
As for your referance to the TV show . Sorry I have never seen this show so I can not comment on it . But I can say that no other country could or would help us out . Because if the U.S.A is out of the global picture than that allows the radicals to go hog wild and take more and more until the western civilization is extinct .
Please tell me how backing our selves into a cowering corner is a good position to be in ?
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566820
Why has the US been designated the Protector Of The World? Why are we responsible for maintaining human rights for every stinking country on Earth? That's the problem. We stuck our nose into everyone's business, and now they want to shoot it off. We're on the other side of the ocean from these countries. What wrong with Russia or the European Nations taking care of that region? Oh that's right! You don't want Russian influences in the Middle East. They may ban together and start another Cold War. Let China deal with them. Better yet, North Korea. They can test their nuclear capabilities on that entire region.
Take a look at that TV series Jericho. Let's say that really did occur, and it divided this country like it was during the Civil War. Do you think any country in this World would come over here and get involved with making things better again? Do you think they'd care? If anything, they'd come over to try and take the country away from us. Don't think they would donate billions of dollars to rebuild the USA.
Russia has been directly or indirectly involved in every War against Israel since 1948.
After both 9-11 and Katrina many countries sent help or offered to send help.
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2566826
Not really. I understand that there is an audience for fixed news, and all the real news station have to share the normal people. I like MSN, my husband likes CSPAN, my brother watches CNN, and most people watch the national news at 6 pm on the local staions. So, it makes sense that all the Cons watching one station would drive up their ratings. I read somewhere that the ratings for fixed news (and the comedy shows of Hannity and the like) are going down, though.

So basicaly you reject fact and interject your own reality in its place , then back that up with more mythical links and top it off with a sarcastic remark ?
 
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