Can pot save the California budget?

kingsmith

kingsmith

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3081968
Actually, We are looking at the topic all wrong... They don't care what voters think about legalizing or not. This topic, according to the link, has been boiled down to... We have a deficit. Should legalizing pot help curb that or not. The focus is not the pot, it's the debt. It's a win, win for pro legalizing. As I mentioned earlier, if they wanna make it legal, then fine, but don't use the guise of, "It will make our economy all better" in doing so...
Cause if it works, and if they do get the deficit back down (which won't happen, but IF it did) then would it go back to illegal since it served it's purpose??
As far as a good solid argument for legalizing it... There are none.
Medicinal purposes? We already have a prescription drug for everything.
Cheaper? It won't be if it gets legaliized?
You can grow your own? Not with agriculture breathing down your neck for permits.
Because alcohol is legal? Something about 2 wrongs...
Less people die?? Really?? Less people die on pot than with tobacco is a reason to legalize it??
There are no solid arguments to make it legal.
Some people like it. Big deal.
I know professionals who use it, and you would never pick them out of a poll of non users. The difference is that the professionals do a better job of not letting everyone know they use it, so the "unaffected" smokers, don't have a rep like the burn out bums have.

iF YOU DONT LIVE THE LIFE DONT JUGDE, bottom line pot only harms those that let it, many of the adverse consequences to it are because it is illegal, and I dont know about you but whatever I believe is moral and right legal or not I stand up for and do, as far as prescriptions for everything guess what pot does not have that horrible list of side effects you hear at the end of all those drug commercials not to mention the longterm side effects of those legal drugs that will eventually show up. Now the idea of alcohol being legal and not calling pot a drug goes along with properly educating the population about substance and not having such contradictions exist. But heres the fact if you want to live a good productive life you will no matter how big or small the neon KingKong on your back may be. People just find life easier if they can call something beyond their controll hence why religion is the biggest business and most successful organization of hypocrit liars. But non the less US BURN OUT BUMS PROFESSIONAL OR NOT, are everywhere your friends, family, coworkers, enemies, probably even your priest, we're keepin it real because we know its not wrong and not hurting anyone and when it is finally legalized, anyone who is so unhappy with themselves that they must complain about people living there lives and not negatively effecting anyone can publicly complain at all the finally legal parties we will be having.
Keep Tokin
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/3081986
iF YOU DONT LIVE THE LIFE DONT JUGDE, bottom line pot only harms those that let it, many of the adverse consequences to it are because it is illegal, and I dont know about you but whatever I believe is moral and right legal or not I stand up for and do, as far as prescriptions for everything guess what pot does not have that horrible list of side effects you hear at the end of all those drug commercials not to mention the longterm side effects of those legal drugs that will eventually show up. Now the idea of alcohol being legal and not calling pot a drug goes along with properly educating the population about substance and not having such contradictions exist. But heres the fact if you want to live a good productive life you will no matter how big or small the neon KingKong on your back may be. People just find life easier if they can call something beyond their controll hence why religion is the biggest business and most successful organization of hypocrit liars. But non the less US BURN OUT BUMS PROFESSIONAL OR NOT, are everywhere your friends, family, coworkers, enemies, probably even your priest, we're keepin it real because we know its not wrong and not hurting anyone and when it is finally legalized, anyone who is so unhappy with themselves that they must complain about people living there lives and not negatively effecting anyone can publicly complain at all the finally legal parties we will be having.
Keep Tokin

Were you tokin when you wrote this? Sorry, but your ramblings made no sense to me...
 
cranberry

cranberry

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3082000
Were you tokin when you wrote this? Sorry, but your ramblings made no sense to me...
I'm thinking it was meant to support the legalization, but ended up being a very strong argument for the "it does more damage than good" side.
 
kingsmith

kingsmith

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3082000
Were you tokin when you wrote this? Sorry, but your ramblings made no sense to me...
No Just working as a professional and dont feel bad most people refuse to understand reason and logic
 
green machine

green machine

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3081714
No what is sad is girls whoring themselves out for "free" pot from their pot boyfriend. For roommates stealing money so they can go buy that day's oz of hydro. That on Saturday morning they smoked through an ounce by ten and spend the rest of the day talking about absolutely nothing and thinking they are friggen geniuses. What is sad is watching freshman and sophomores in college who had very realistic Major League talent drop out, so they could work and score more weed. That is sad. .
I agree, However lazy people will be lazy. People who whore will whore. I HIGHLY disagree that its because of marijuana people act that way. Its a crutch.
Just like little teeny boppers who drink a wine cooler and act like a whore. They want to act like a whore anyway but its easy to blame it on the drink.
 
kingsmith

kingsmith

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3082006
I'm thinking it was meant to support the legalization, but ended up being a very strong argument for the "it does more damage than good" side.
Thanks for jumping to conclusions about someone for whom your frame of reference is a paragraph
 
cranberry

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/3082022
Thanks for jumping to conclusions about someone for whom your frame of reference is a paragraph

I wasn't jumping to conclusions. I honestly cannot figure out what you are trying to say. I think it was an argument that it should be legalized. Because we cannot understand you, your argument, no matter how valid you think it is, becomes an argument for the other side. I did not imply anything.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3081649
If they legailized it, they would have to allow some form of 'manufacturing process' like the tobacco industry uses. I don't think you could allow the backyard growers the ability to sell it. You'd couldn't have street sales. The only legal place to sell it would be next to the cigarettes in the stores. So you charge a tax around the same rate you tax the cigarettes. The bonus would be the first year or so of the implementation. So many people would jump at the opportunity to legally buy MJ, they wouldn't care if they charged $2.00/pack in taxes.
The question is, how do you maintain the sales to the California borders? Do you have Cali State Troopers with border checkpoints making sure someone doesn't try to take a pack back home to Arizona, Texas, or Florida? What happens if you accidentally take your pack of MJ's to the airport and go on a trip? Do you get busted for taking what would be an illegal drug through a Federal Security Check, or do you get the opportunity to just toss it in the trash like you do with the cosmetics and liquids larger than 1 oz.?
It would probably take a couple years before the first "factory" joint rolled off the assembly line. It would take a long time to weed out (pun intended) the illegal growers so I bet it would be a decade before this really had any budget impacts.
That still doesn't address the fact it would be unconstitutional for California to pass a law legalizing activity that is in violation of federal laws. Decriminalizing possession under state law is their prerogative, it doesn't make it legal, just says they aren't going to throw you in jail for simple possession.
If they are really looking at this from a make money fast kinda plan they should legalize and license hookers. Better for the girls and the johns and you could start turning a profit on the licensing fees right out the gates.
 
reefraff

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I can buy into the argument that weed use is the symptom of most stoners rather than the cause. They were dumb and lazy before they started smoking and they are constantly stoned because they have nothing better to do.
The thing that really PO's me about the pro MJ crowd is the idiots touting it as harmless. NO DRUG IS HARMLESS. MJ is a plant blah blah blah but it still contains a mind altering "drug" and you can become addicted to it. What ever you do, booze drugs, adrenaline rush type of stuff you got to be careful you dont let it grab you.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3082044
I can buy into the argument that weed use is the symptom of most stoners rather than the cause. They were dumb and lazy before they started smoking and they are constantly stoned because they have nothing better to do.
The thing that really PO's me about the pro MJ crowd is the idiots touting it as harmless. NO DRUG IS HARMLESS. MJ is a plant blah blah blah but it still contains a mind altering "drug" and you can become addicted to it. What ever you do, booze drugs, adrenaline rush type of stuff you got to be careful you dont let it grab you.

Once again, another person who has no idea what the hell they are talking about. I am far from dumb and lazy. I got over 1400 on my SATs, have a degree, have numerous professional certifications and make well over 75K a year. Does that sound dumb and lazy to you? Have you ever once read one of my posts and thought that I came off sounding like an illiterate, stoned moron? I doubt it, because I take great pride in my writing, grammatical and communication skills.
If you had done any real research and, again, had any real idea what you were talking about here you would know for a fact that MJ is NOT in any way shape or form a physically addictive substance and it is no more harmful than alcohol which is also a "drug"
 
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tizzo

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Kingsmith... I'm with Cranberry in that I have no idea what you are saying...%%
I "think" your telling me not to judge in your first sentence, but I fail to see where I have. I mention professionals that I know, who use it... they are my friends. I was kinda defending the people who use it and can keep their lives together, are the ones you don't hear about...
And all your other points, I won't even touch since I am unsure of what your saying. But I have read your post twice and still I fail to see a valid argument FOR the legalization.
Ok, I hafta touch this one...
Many many people use many many prescription drugs without the side effects they mention in the commercials. Those drugs are tested, tested and retested by labs, pharm companies and passed by the FDA. If one were to scrutinize marijuana under such a microscpoe, I'm sure side effects can be found.
Paranoia, dry mouth, constipation, hunger cravings, dry eyes, etc... Are within the realm of "side effects"
And the only "medicinal" use I've ever seen mentioned is for pain. The side effects for pain killers do not outweigh the benefits, otherwise people wouldn't take them.
And I don't buy that it's non addictive. If it were true, then people who use wouldn't care at all if it were no longer available, instead of fighting so fervishly to allow it.
I do believe that there are no physical consequences to quitting. BUt when a person risks their family, their job, their reputation for a "feeling", I'm gonna say they are addicted to that feeling. Other wise they are just plain stupid and irresponsible.
If one bag of pot gets me thrown in jail, and one hot drug test cause me to loose my job, then by what logic would I go ahead and do these things if not for a mental addiction.
 
green machine

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3082141
And I don't buy that it's non addictive. If it were true, then people who use wouldn't care at all if it were no longer available, instead of fighting so fervishly to allow it.

i dont agree. I firmly believe it is NOT physically addictive. Mentally maybe. Who doesnt like to feel extra good. But to physically NEED it. Absolutly NOT.
 
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tizzo

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Originally Posted by green machine
http:///forum/post/3082169
ok i re read your post tizzo, i see where you said Mentally.. I agree but definately not phycially addicting.

nothin but love green...
 
michelleolds

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nothing better than smoking a fatty and then sitting in front of my tank! I'm 49 years old and have been a smoker since I was 13. I work, pay taxes, & have raised a family. I'm neither lazy nor burnt out and I am really sick and tired of feeling persecuted for this. If you don't like it you don't have to do it. If the government needs more taxes they should tax toilet paper. Everybody uses that.
 
deejeff442

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dragon-not sure right off the top of my head gram,oz.,pound?
i think what ever a nickel bag is.

obviously shows i dont smoke the stuff,but i dont have any problem with people that do.
as for whoreing when i watch intervention the girls are selling themselves for the hard addictive drugs like crack and herion the ones that have withdrawl symptoms.i have never seen one out for pot.
just think there would never have been animal house if it werent for pot all the writters say in interviews they were stoned out of thier minds when they wrote it.
half the rockband would have never existed.
jack black would be serving fast food.
 
salt life

salt life

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I smoke 2 joints in the morning, I smoke 2 joints at night, I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon, it makes me feel alright.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3082059
Once again, another person who has no idea what the hell they are talking about. I am far from dumb and lazy. I got over 1400 on my SATs, have a degree, have numerous professional certifications and make well over 75K a year. Does that sound dumb and lazy to you? Have you ever once read one of my posts and thought that I came off sounding like an illiterate, stoned moron? I doubt it, because I take great pride in my writing, grammatical and communication skills.
If you had done any real research and, again, had any real idea what you were talking about here you would know for a fact that MJ is NOT in any way shape or form a physically addictive substance and it is no more harmful than alcohol which is also a "drug"
Then maybe you should open a window and let some fresh air in lest you make yourself look like a total moron :)
Did I say you were a stoner? As I said earlier I am not talking about someone who smokes a bowl once in a while, I am talking about the people who are getting loaded every day.
And having been heavily involved in politics both as a candidate and adviser to several candidates I have done a fair amount of research into a number of subjects. Coming from a Republican background do you suppose I would decide legalizing MJ is a good thing on a whim? While there is nothing to show there is a physical addiction to pot there is indeed a mental addiction that can be just as hard to kick. Unless you are a basket case total stoner the health risks aren't anywhere close to alcohol but they are still there.
A good friend of my cousin was hurt in a car wreck in his early 20's and when the docs operated they thought the guy was a smoker based on the look of his lungs. He never smoked a cig but toked up all the time.
 
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