Catholics vs. Abortion vs. Obama's mandate...

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460254
You people seem to think Obama has this power to turn this country into a Socialist/Marxist State. Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich seem to think they can repeal Obamacare their first day in office. Apparently they don't have a clue how that process works, and wouldn't have the "power" to do it even if they wanted to.
Apparently you don't know diddly about 0bama care. You know all those wavers friends of 0bama got? A new president can simply order the DHHS to issue a waiver to all 50 states. Problem solved until they repeal the law.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460399
One of my wifes allergy meds cost us over 300 a month A F T E R insurance. We deal with it, just like our other co pays. Shouldn't people with health issues be expected to pick up their own tab?
That is what insurance was created for...to pick up the tab, defray the cost. Medicine costs are outrageous. I know that lots of testing, and all kinds of professors and doctors are involved with creating and dispensing medicines...I understand WHY it costs so much. I also understand they don't need to make a billion dollar profit, won't a million do? We need the medicine, but few can afford $300.00 a month AFTER insurance. If your poor wife were married to me, she would suffer or die, because I wouldn't be able to "deal with it" and you shouldn't have to.
My mom just got done turning down a medicine the doctor ordered last week because $325.00 was too much to be able to pay. She has been trying for 3 days now to get hold of the doctor to see if he can perscribe another medicine that isn't that expensive. That is what is happening all over, the elderly are making the choice between getting food or medicine....She pays $600.00 extra to supplement her Medicare. Yet she can't afford her medicines.
In a perfect world, the people would not need to rely on anyone else or insurance. Healthcare needs to be "fixed" I don't have the answers, I'm not that smart. I just would like to pay a normal affordable co-pay and let the insurance pay the rest. Instead of $2.00 or $7.00 a scrip...she could pay $20.00 a perscription..at least she would get her medicines. Having one cost $2.00 and another $400.00 is insane...even it out somehow. I just want to see all medicines affordable to whoever needs them.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460403
Apparently you don't know diddly about 0bama care. You know all those wavers friends of 0bama got? A new president can simply order the DHHS to issue a waiver to all 50 states. Problem solved until they repeal the law.
I know more than what you and the other detractor know about it. Your only knowledge of the law is what Bill O'Reilly tells you.
That's if all 50 states would want a waiver. You'd also have to bank on both the House and Senate becoming a Republican majority come November. Any split, and no Republican POTUS could get that law repealed.
 
darthtang aw

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This is coming from the guy that didnt know what was in the heathcare bill till after it had passed. the guy that was defending it without knowing what was in the drafts up for vote. yeah, you know more than everyone.
 
darthtang aw

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 That is what insurance was created for...to pick up the tab, defray the cost. Medicine costs are outrageous. I know that lots of testing, and all kinds of professors and doctors are involved with creating and dispensing medicines...I understand WHY it costs so much. I also understand they don't need to make a billion dollar profit, won't a million do? We need the medicine, but few can afford $300.00 a month AFTER insurance. If your poor wife were married to me, she would suffer or die, because I wouldn't be able to "deal with it" and you shouldn't have to.
My mom just got done turning down a medicine the doctor ordered last week because $325.00 was too much to be able to pay. She has been trying for 3 days now to get hold of the doctor to see if he can perscribe another medicine that isn't that expensive. That is what is happening all over, the elderly are making the choice between getting food or medicine....She pays $600.00 extra to supplement her Medicare. Yet she can't afford her medicines.
In a perfect world, the people would not need to rely on anyone else or insurance. Healthcare needs to be "fixed" I don't have the answers, I'm not that smart. I just would like to pay a normal affordable co-pay and let the insurance pay the rest. Instead of $2.00 or $7.00 a scrip...she could pay $20.00 a perscription..at least she would get her medicines. Having one cost $2.00 and another $400.00 is insane...even it out somehow. I just want to see all medicines affordable to whoever needs them.
in a perfect world people wouldnt get sick and die. your notions are naive.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460420
That is what insurance was created for...to pick up the tab, defray the cost. Medicine costs are outrageous. I know that lots of testing, and all kinds of professors and doctors are involved with creating and dispensing medicines...I understand WHY it costs so much. I also understand they don't need to make a billion dollar profit, won't a million do? We need the medicine, but few can afford $300.00 a month AFTER insurance. If your poor wife were married to me, she would suffer or die, because I wouldn't be able to "deal with it" and you shouldn't have to.
My mom just got done turning down a medicine the doctor ordered last week because $325.00 was too much to be able to pay. She has been trying for 3 days now to get hold of the doctor to see if he can perscribe another medicine that isn't that expensive. That is what is happening all over, the elderly are making the choice between getting food or medicine....She pays $600.00 extra to supplement her Medicare. Yet she can't afford her medicines.
In a perfect world, the people would not need to rely on anyone else or insurance. Healthcare needs to be "fixed" I don't have the answers, I'm not that smart. I just would like to pay a normal affordable co-pay and let the insurance pay the rest. Instead of $2.00 or $7.00 a scrip...she could pay $20.00 a perscription..at least she would get her medicines. Having one cost $2.00 and another $400.00 is insane...even it out somehow. I just want to see all medicines affordable to whoever needs them.
When it costs billions to produce all these wonder drugs someone has to pay for them. Lets say the drug companies get their profits knocked in half. Now it's 150 for the script and are the companies going to continue to risk such large sums of money if their profits are capped?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460426
I know more than what you and the other detractor know about it. Your only knowledge of the law is what Bill O'Reilly tells you.
That's if all 50 states would want a waiver. You'd also have to bank on both the House and Senate becoming a Republican majority come November. Any split, and no Republican POTUS could get that law repealed.
I think it's a pretty safe bet the Senate going Republican. Don't think the country is brain dead enough to put Nancy Queen of Botox back in control in the house. Only question I have is will it be "fool me twice shame on me" where 0bama is concerned.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460464
I think it's a pretty safe bet the Senate going Republican. Don't think the country is brain dead enough to put Nancy Queen of Botox back in control in the house. Only question I have is will it be "fool me twice shame on me" where 0bama is concerned.
Nothing is a given. The Republican Party is in a major identity crisis. It's practically broken up in thirds. You have the hard-line Conservatives, the Liberatarians, and the Moderates. Voters don't know who they like and who they want to vote for. Democrats historically come out in numbers during a Presidential election year, unlike the mid-term elections.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460436
This is coming from the guy that didnt know what was in the heathcare bill till after it had passed. the guy that was defending it without knowing what was in the drafts up for vote. yeah, you know more than everyone.
I'm the one whose posted at least 5 times on this forum the timeline of Obamacare, and what changes will occur in the health plans over the next 5 years. I have read many details about the plan. That's why I support it. You on the other hand sit around reading unfounded talking points, and don't even realize the long-term benefits. Curious, how exactly is your healthcare covered?
 
flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460462
When it costs billions to produce all these wonder drugs someone has to pay for them. Lets say the drug companies get their profits knocked in half. Now it's 150 for the script and are the companies going to continue to risk such large sums of money if their profits are capped?
We have some America don't we...I worked 35+ years on the Railroad. After the magic time of 30 years in, my retirement was capped...no matter how many years after 30, I would always no matter what only get the pension for 30 years. I started working on the RR at 17 years old...if my body had held up to the work I would have worked 45+ years at full retirement age. Now mind you, my job was one of the better ones out there. My start pay was $5.36 an hour...by the time I stopped working the railroad paid $23.00 to $27.00 an hour (depending on the job) I retire and recieve $2700.00 a month to live on. My sister worked for the post office, she gets whooping $785.00 to live on a month....My mother retired from the railroad and she gets $2400.00...My other sister gets $685.00 a month (she was a waitress) My sisters get medical assistance from the state....That's right, your taxes (I'm not able to work anymore) pays for their medicines...nothing is unavailable to them, by the time my mother pays through the nose for her healthcare, she lives on just as much as my sisters....oh but wait, she can't afford her medicines.
We have three classes of people in America, the poor, the working poor, and the rich.
How about capping the wonder drug guys. Half of the profit is still into the billions. Yes, I believe they will still keep inventing, manufacturing and selling their wonder drugs.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460483
We have some America don't we...I worked 35+ years on the Railroad. After the magic time of 30 years in, my retirement was capped...no matter how many years after 30, I would always no matter what only get the pension for 30 years. I started working on the RR at 17 years old...if my body had held up to the work I would have worked 45+ years at full retirement age. Now mind you, my job was one of the better ones out there. My start pay was $5.36 an hour...by the time I stopped working the railroad paid $23.00 to $27.00 an hour (depending on the job) I retire and recieve $2700.00 a month to live on. My sister worked for the post office, she gets whooping $785.00 to live on a month....My mother retired from the railroad and she gets $2400.00...My other sister gets $685.00 a month (she was a waitress) My sisters get medical assistance from the state....That's right, your taxes (I'm not able to work anymore) pays for their medicines...nothing is unavailable to them, by the time my mother pays through the nose for her healthcare, she lives on just as much as my sisters....oh but wait, she can't afford her medicines.
We have three classes of people in America, the poor, the working poor, and the rich.
How about capping the wonder drug guys. Half of the profit is still into the billions. Yes, I believe they will still keep inventing, manufacturing and selling their wonder drugs.
I have no problem giving welfare to those who really need it. Don't know why your sisters fell so short but living in Southern California my mom managed to make it through retirement on a little more than 1100.00 a month Social Security and a couple hundred a month pension. It ain't like money was falling from heaven but she wasn't eating pet food. I did buy her last washing machine for her but she was waiting for her used appliance guy to score a Kenmore for her and I figured I had the money so I had Sears deliver one for her.
You had a pretty sweet deal with the RR. I was a trained and certified technician. I got taken out at 40 and my payments are just over 1500 a month.
You cap drug company profits and they walk away from A LOT of R&D,
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460480
I'm the one whose posted at least 5 times on this forum the timeline of Obamacare, and what changes will occur in the health plans over the next 5 years. I have read many details about the plan. That's why I support it. You on the other hand sit around reading unfounded talking points, and don't even realize the long-term benefits. Curious, how exactly is your healthcare covered?
You mean like the crap 0bama himself said oops about and removed from the bill? Is the spike in insurance rates since the started crafting this abortion a "unfounded talking point"? How about the CBO now admitting it wont "Bend the cost curve down" as promised when the bill was being rammed down our throats?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460479
Nothing is a given. The Republican Party is in a major identity crisis. It's practically broken up in thirds. You have the hard-line Conservatives, the Liberatarians, and the Moderates. Voters don't know who they like and who they want to vote for. Democrats historically come out in numbers during a Presidential election year, unlike the mid-term elections.
Yeah but the more it looks like 0bama will get another 4 the more Repubs that will turn out to check the R to make sure congress and the Senate can be a check on his radical agenda.
 
beaslbob

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460277
Trust me Bang. Anyone that disagrees with Obamacare and some of Obama's other polices swear he's a diehard Socialist ready to take everything you own and hand it over to all the downtrodden in the country.
so what do you call a politian (or anyone else for that matter) who wants the government to insure "people receive according to their needs and give according to their means?".
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by beaslbob http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460510
so what do you call a politian (or anyone else for that matter) who wants the government to insure "people receive according to their needs and give according to their means?".
Compassionate? What benefits have you lost since Obama's been in office? Have your taxes gone up or down in the last 3 years? The economy started declining and unemployment numbers started to go up the last two years Bush was in office. Obama made several feable attempts to turn it around, but the negativity and backlash he received from the Republicans and the large corporations that didn't get their "free rides" caused an opposite effect. Apparently bailouts and continuing the Bush tax cuts didn't work. So what will? Cut Spendiing is the song and dance the Tea Partyer's are using, but to what extent do you cut, and what essential programs that are vital to running this country to you get rid of? Obama wants to cut spending on one of our biggest contributors to the deficit (i.e the Military), yet you have the war mongers whining that are defenses will suffer doing that. People complain about the billions given to Welfare recipients, but they give a pass to the Civil Service, Federal workers, and military retirees that suck just as many billions in benefits and retirement pay. Everyone's on this bandwagon to cut education funding to the bone, but then wonder why a kid graduating out of high schooll doesn't even know their multiplication tables. Nothing you will do will satisfy all the masses. One side of the other will continue to complain, and continue to blame the opposition that gets elected the next round.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460526
Compassionate? What benefits have you lost since Obama's been in office? Have your taxes gone up or down in the last 3 years? The economy started declining and unemployment numbers started to go up the last two years Bush was in office. Obama made several feable attempts to turn it around, but the negativity and backlash he received from the Republicans and the large corporations that didn't get their "free rides" caused an opposite effect. Apparently bailouts and continuing the Bush tax cuts didn't work. So what will? Cut Spendiing is the song and dance the Tea Partyer's are using, but to what extent do you cut, and what essential programs that are vital to running this country to you get rid of? Obama wants to cut spending on one of our biggest contributors to the deficit (i.e the Military), yet you have the war mongers whining that are defenses will suffer doing that. People complain about the billions given to Welfare recipients, but they give a pass to the Civil Service, Federal workers, and military retirees that suck just as many billions in benefits and retirement pay. Everyone's on this bandwagon to cut education funding to the bone, but then wonder why a kid graduating out of high schooll doesn't even know their multiplication tables. Nothing you will do will satisfy all the masses. One side of the other will continue to complain, and continue to blame the opposition that gets elected the next round.
LOL! So it's the mean ol Bublicans fault 0bama's brain dead schemes didn't work. I got a news flash for ya, when DEMOCRATS took over congress the economy was doing fine, 4.5% unemployment and holding. But everything is all the Republicans fault.... Yep, 0bama had 60 votes in the senate and a strong majority in the house but the Republicans caused all his failures.
We have to pay for 0bama's irresponsible spending at some point. Everyone's taxes are going up, even the freeloaders at the bottom. I just hope we also cut the amount of giveaways not just to welfare folk (including businesses and 0bama's green goons) but to other countries and the UN.
By the way, the stimulus cost more than the Iraq war as of August 2010.
 
darthtang aw

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I'm the one whose posted at least 5 times on this forum the timeline of Obamacare, and what changes will occur in the health plans over the next 5 years.  I have read many details about the plan.  That's why I support it.  You on the other hand sit around reading unfounded talking points, and don't even realize the long-term benefits.  Curious, how exactly is your healthcare covered?
 
You were also the one that didn't have a clue what was in the bills when it was being passed. How many times did we tell you what was in it? And now you want to claim you are telling us? Seriously? Long-term benefits? Really?
My heathcare is covered by my part-time job. The one I was going to quit but they begged me to stay. So I cut my hours way back to cover the heath insurance costs and my 401k.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460547
You were also the one that didn't have a clue what was in the bills when it was being passed. How many times did we tell you what was in it? And now you want to claim you are telling us? Seriously? Long-term benefits? Really?
My heathcare is covered by my part-time job. The one I was going to quit but they begged me to stay. So I cut my hours way back to cover the heath insurance costs and my 401k.
I think I posted the Timeline of what was going to get enacted every year over the next 5 years at least 5 times on thgis site. It showed specifically the major changes that would occur each year, and gave a short synopsis of what benefits would be afforded when they did go into place. Yes long-term benefits. How about no exclusions for pre-exisiting medical conditions? How about allowing parents to keep their kids on their insurance plans until they're 26 so they don't have to be burdened with a $20,000 bill to pay for independent health insurance while they're going to college or further their education. How about insurance pools where small businesses can pool their resources and offer similar policies to their employees that large corporations have access to that makes insurance premiums more affordable. There's also multiple reductions in the various Medicare plans.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/240#post_3460528
LOL! So it's the mean ol Bublicans fault 0bama's brain dead schemes didn't work. I got a news flash for ya, when DEMOCRATS took over congress the economy was doing fine, 4.5% unemployment and holding. But everything is all the Republicans fault.... Yep, 0bama had 60 votes in the senate and a strong majority in the house but the Republicans caused all his failures.
We have to pay for 0bama's irresponsible spending at some point. Everyone's taxes are going up, even the freeloaders at the bottom. I just hope we also cut the amount of giveaways not just to welfare folk (including businesses and 0bama's green goons) but to other countries and the UN.
By the way, the stimulus cost more than the Iraq war as of August 2010.
We were heading into one of the biggest recessions this country had ever seen by the end of 2007. All that crap was dropped into Obama's lap when he got into office in 2008. Why do you think there was a Democrat majority in botrh the House and Senate in 2008? Because people saw what Bush stuck us with before he left office, and they didn't want that to continue.
Here's some light reading for you:
http://ftp.iza.org/dp4934.pdf
 
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