Catholics vs. Abortion vs. Obama's mandate...

beth

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Amniocentesis is a procedure that does have risk factors for an unborn child, and there is no real benefit to having it except to gain some information about a child before it is born. It is commonly used to diagnosis genetic disorders in higher risk pregnancies which enables parents to decide whether to proceed with the pregnancy or terminate it, based on bad news resulting from the test.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3459990
Amniocentesis is a procedure that does have risk factors for an unborn child, and there is no real benefit to having it except to gain some information about a child before it is born. It is commonly used to diagnosis genetic disorders in higher risk pregnancies which enables parents to decide whether to proceed with the pregnancy or terminate it, based on bad news resulting from the test.
And that's a decision between the parents and the doctors. It's no other person's business, especially some religious fanatic who thinks it Eeevil and God will punish them for making whatever decision is best for them. The idea of someone like Santorum making it to the White House is scary beyond belief. Talk about taking away freedoms. That religious zealot will set this country back 200 years if he gets elected.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460093
And that's a decision between the parents and the doctors. It's no other person's business, especially some religious fanatic who thinks it Eeevil and God will punish them for making whatever decision is best for them. The idea of someone like Santorum making it to the White House is scary beyond belief. Talk about taking away freedoms. That religious zealot will set this country back 200 years if he gets elected.
I don't agree with Santorum on a lot but he's infinitely less scary than 0bama as president. He is pretty straight forward about a lot of the social issues he stands on being his personal and not political choice but even so he wouldn't have the authority to do anything about it even if he did want to push his social agenda. Plus public opinion would sink him. In comparison it's been over 3 years since the Democrats and 0bama have passed a budget and Reid wont even bring 0bama's proposed budget up for a vote yet if you listen to most of the mass media the Republicans are blocking everything 0bama wants to do. 0bama is further out of the mainstream than Santorum AND he has most of the media working for him.
 
darthtang aw

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  The idea of someone like Santorum making it to the White House is scary beyond belief.  Talk about taking away freedoms.  That religious zealot will set this country back 200 years if he gets elected.
Please explain this. How so?
 
beth

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I just wonder where you think the money is going to come from if every health insurance covers every single thing under the moon. Who's going to pay for that?
 
flower

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460201
I just wonder where you think the money is going to come from if every health insurance covers every single thing under the moon. Who's going to pay for that?
The same way it's paid for now...some people have co-pays, others pay a part of their own insurance, some pay for some xtra coverage, and some rare companies pay it all. Nothing really would change, the same people do the same thing as always. Those on welfare or state aid can already get every single thing paid for under the sun except plastic surgery....and in some cases even that. The only ones not getting the proper healthcare are those of us who do pay for it and work. I take the $4.00 medication list from Walmart and give it to the doctor, then I have her look to see which ones will work for my mothers' needs.
BIG SIGH .... I have "good" insurance, . Someday you folks are going to grow older (I hope anyway, that you live long) and you are going to need a medicine that costs $300.00+ and be on a fixed income. Already paying $600.00 for the Xtra coverage insurance that doesn't cover enough. I would much rather pay the insurance a small premium increase and be able to get the medicine/procedure needed then try and dig out of my butt for the things not covered. One time of needing something not covered can clean the bank account....depending on what it is. The last kicker were some injections my mother needed at over $400.00 for the perscription to be filled, it came in a box of 10...I used three on her before the doctor decided to change her medication ....well the box is open, but the meds, in a preloaded syringe and are individually wraped...no refunds sorry. Her co-pay is normally $2.00...oops that med wasn't covered, and they had no genaric copy to offer.
If it's FDA approved...I want it covered.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460201
I just wonder where you think the money is going to come from if every health insurance covers every single thing under the moon. Who's going to pay for that?
Where does the money come from now? My premiums have gone up over 40% in the last 5 - 7 years, and my wife's benefits administrator is stating they will probably go up another 5% next year if we never get on the Obamacare bus. Meanwhile, my deductibles and out-of-pocket maxes have increased, as well as my co-pays or what I have to pay to obtain my various prescription drugs. I'm paying for it now, and will continue to pay for it whether they add or reduce any services.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460194
Please explain this. How so?
How so? If elected, he'd pretty much guarantee that anyone that's in a same-sex relationship will NEVER be able to obtain any type of civil union or capabilities to share financial and legal responsibilities. He will do whatever it takes to make it illegal to have an abortion, which whether you agree with that or not, you will send women back to the days of backroom abortions using coat hangers or whatever unsafe means to obtain the procedure if they so choose. Bring back the Blue Laws, where it's illegal to have stores open on Sundays. His social policies alone are scary. I'm not for having a person who has this ardent agenda based on his religious beliefs running this country.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460246
Do you really believe a President has the power to do all of that?
You people seem to think Obama has this power to turn this country into a Socialist/Marxist State. Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich seem to think they can repeal Obamacare their first day in office. Apparently they don't have a clue how that process works, and wouldn't have the "power" to do it even if they wanted to.
 
stdreb27

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realistically, they could issue a blanket waiver, for all Americans. (you know like how obama is running around doing for his donors?) And cut the nuts off the bill till it is repealed...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460233
The same way it's paid for now...some people have co-pays, others pay a part of their own insurance, some pay for some xtra coverage, and some rare companies pay it all. Nothing really would change, the same people do the same thing as always. Those on welfare or state aid can already get every single thing paid for under the sun except plastic surgery....and in some cases even that. The only ones not getting the proper healthcare are those of us who do pay for it and work. I take the $4.00 medication list from Walmart and give it to the doctor, then I have her look to see which ones will work for my mothers' needs.
BIG SIGH .... I have "good" insurance, . Someday you folks are going to grow older (I hope anyway, that you live long) and you are going to need a medicine that costs $300.00+ and be on a fixed income. Already paying $600.00 for the Xtra coverage insurance that doesn't cover enough. I would much rather pay the insurance a small premium increase and be able to get the medicine/procedure needed then try and dig out of my butt for the things not covered. One time of needing something not covered can clean the bank account....depending on what it is. The last kicker were some injections my mother needed at over $400.00 for the perscription to be filled, it came in a box of 10...I used three on her before the doctor decided to change her medication ....well the box is open, but the meds, in a preloaded syringe and are individually wraped...no refunds sorry. Her co-pay is normally $2.00...oops that med wasn't covered, and they had no genaric copy to offer.
If it's FDA approved...I want it covered.
One of my wifes allergy meds cost us over 300 a month A F T E R insurance. We deal with it, just like our other co pays. Shouldn't people with health issues be expected to pick up their own tab?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390368/catholics-vs-abortion-vs-obamas-mandate/220#post_3460239
How so? If elected, he'd pretty much guarantee that anyone that's in a same-sex relationship will NEVER be able to obtain any type of civil union or capabilities to share financial and legal responsibilities. He will do whatever it takes to make it illegal to have an abortion, which whether you agree with that or not, you will send women back to the days of backroom abortions using coat hangers or whatever unsafe means to obtain the procedure if they so choose. Bring back the Blue Laws, where it's illegal to have stores open on Sundays. His social policies alone are scary. I'm not for having a person who has this ardent agenda based on his religious beliefs running this country.
You so funny!!!
 
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