airforceb2
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hmmm...what is your e-mail addy? I'll try to write you.
clean up crew is in the house!
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dskidmore
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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
Some people may disagree with me on this:
Do not drip acclimate fish that have been shipped to you. The large amount of ammonia in the bag can become extremely toxic if the ph of the water in your tank is any higher than the ph in the bag. I would say it is safe to drip acclimate if you test the bag for ammonia, and test its ph though.
I've heard this is a result of packing with pure oxygen instead of a normal air mixture? Something about the part CO2 plays in pH balance? What aclimation procedure do you recomend for fish in bags with a low pH? Would areation help?
Some people may disagree with me on this:
Do not drip acclimate fish that have been shipped to you. The large amount of ammonia in the bag can become extremely toxic if the ph of the water in your tank is any higher than the ph in the bag. I would say it is safe to drip acclimate if you test the bag for ammonia, and test its ph though.
I've heard this is a result of packing with pure oxygen instead of a normal air mixture? Something about the part CO2 plays in pH balance? What aclimation procedure do you recomend for fish in bags with a low pH? Would areation help?
monalisa
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airforce, it's
lksleo@yahoo.com
I'll check that a little later. Let me know when you've sent something. Thanks!
lksleo@yahoo.com
I'll check that a little later. Let me know when you've sent something. Thanks!
mudplayerx
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Originally Posted by DSkidmore
I've heard this is a result of packing with pure oxygen instead of a normal air mixture? Something about the part CO2 plays in pH balance? What aclimation procedure do you recomend for fish in bags with a low pH? Would areation help?
Nope, it is just because ammonia is more toxic in water with higher ph for some reason. Acclimating a fish in a bag with low ph is no problem at all. The problem is if there is ammonia in the bag and the ph of the bag is lower than that of the tank.
I've heard this is a result of packing with pure oxygen instead of a normal air mixture? Something about the part CO2 plays in pH balance? What aclimation procedure do you recomend for fish in bags with a low pH? Would areation help?
Nope, it is just because ammonia is more toxic in water with higher ph for some reason. Acclimating a fish in a bag with low ph is no problem at all. The problem is if there is ammonia in the bag and the ph of the bag is lower than that of the tank.
airforceb2
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Lisa,
I got the mail but the attachments didn't make it. Sorry, I don't know of anything else to do.
I was really excited to see the tank too.
I got the mail but the attachments didn't make it. Sorry, I don't know of anything else to do.
dskidmore
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Originally Posted by mudplayerx
The large amount of ammonia in the bag can become extremely toxic if the ph of the water in your tank is any higher than the ph in the bag.
Originally Posted by mudplayerx
Nope, it is just because ammonia is more toxic in water with higher ph for some reason. Acclimating a fish in a bag with low ph is no problem at all. The problem is if there is ammonia in the bag and the ph of the bag is lower than that of the tank.
Now I'm really confused. If low pH in the bag isn't a problem, but having the bag be lower than the tank is?...?
If the problem is that raising the pH is what makes the ammonia toxic, then the biggest problem would be with bags that start out with a low pH, and adding tank water would raise the pH without significantly lowering the ammonia level. If the bag had a high pH, then adding tank water would lower the pH, making the ammonia less toxic while acclimating the fish to your tank conditions. The fish in the bag with the high pH would be more stressed to begin with and need careful acclimation more.
There is going to be some ammonia in the bag no matter what, unless the fish was starving before he was packed. That is part of why the acclimation process is necessary, in addition to temperature, pH, salinity and other concerns.
You have also left hangning what to actually do to fish with low pH and high ammonia in the bag. Use an ammonia binder, then acclimate?
The large amount of ammonia in the bag can become extremely toxic if the ph of the water in your tank is any higher than the ph in the bag.
Originally Posted by mudplayerx
Nope, it is just because ammonia is more toxic in water with higher ph for some reason. Acclimating a fish in a bag with low ph is no problem at all. The problem is if there is ammonia in the bag and the ph of the bag is lower than that of the tank.
Now I'm really confused. If low pH in the bag isn't a problem, but having the bag be lower than the tank is?...?
If the problem is that raising the pH is what makes the ammonia toxic, then the biggest problem would be with bags that start out with a low pH, and adding tank water would raise the pH without significantly lowering the ammonia level. If the bag had a high pH, then adding tank water would lower the pH, making the ammonia less toxic while acclimating the fish to your tank conditions. The fish in the bag with the high pH would be more stressed to begin with and need careful acclimation more.
There is going to be some ammonia in the bag no matter what, unless the fish was starving before he was packed. That is part of why the acclimation process is necessary, in addition to temperature, pH, salinity and other concerns.
You have also left hangning what to actually do to fish with low pH and high ammonia in the bag. Use an ammonia binder, then acclimate?
airforceb2
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I'm up for anything if you are. I have another hour and a half on shift.
airforceb2
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You can't change the pixels that I'm aware of.
airforceb2
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Lisa, any luck on the pictures today?
monalisa
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Airforce,
I was able to email my pics to work where I work on IBM (again, much more familiar ground). Got them there and safe, but I need to know, at which point during a post do you, and where do you, insert the pics? Ohhh...is it a copy and paste thing?
Let me know...
Thanks for your help.
Lisa :happyfish
I was able to email my pics to work where I work on IBM (again, much more familiar ground). Got them there and safe, but I need to know, at which point during a post do you, and where do you, insert the pics? Ohhh...is it a copy and paste thing?
Let me know...
Thanks for your help.
Lisa :happyfish
airforceb2
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Ok, when you click on "reply" (not the quick reply) you will see the text box and all. Well below that is an "Additional Items" tab. There you will find the "Manage Attachments" button. That will enable you to browse your computer and add the pictures. Hope this helps.
monalisa
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Airforce,
I just printed off your instructions on how to post pics (put them right into my purse, so I wouldn't forget them). I'm at home right now, so I don't know how to resize the pics, I'm pretty sure I know how to do that at work. So, hopefully tomorrow... :jumping:
So, ya watchin' Idol? Who you pulling for? Just wondering...
Lisa :happyfish
I just printed off your instructions on how to post pics (put them right into my purse, so I wouldn't forget them). I'm at home right now, so I don't know how to resize the pics, I'm pretty sure I know how to do that at work. So, hopefully tomorrow... :jumping:
So, ya watchin' Idol? Who you pulling for? Just wondering...
Lisa :happyfish
airforceb2
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It is a complete 50/50 toss up for Carrie and Bo. I would like to see Bo because there hasn't been a true rocker anywhere near the finals but yet I'm a big country fan and Carrie has that country voice...not to mention the looks! I think Vonzell should have gone a while ago.
monalisa
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Exactly...
Next week's gonna be a tough one now...hope you didn't get this already...but a choice between Bo and Carrie???? They've been my 2 choices right from the start!! I love 'em both.
You workin' tonight?
Hopefully tomorrow at work I can find some time to play with posting pics...this is ridiculous that I can't get my pics online!!
Talk to you later....
Lisa :happyfish
Next week's gonna be a tough one now...hope you didn't get this already...but a choice between Bo and Carrie???? They've been my 2 choices right from the start!! I love 'em both.
You workin' tonight?
Hopefully tomorrow at work I can find some time to play with posting pics...this is ridiculous that I can't get my pics online!!
Talk to you later....
Lisa :happyfish
airforceb2
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I actually liked Constantine more than Bo but he had a bad week. I'm looking forward to his CD to come out. I'm sure he got a contract from someone. He was really good. Yes I'm working tonight. I work M-F and every other weekend.