Concealed carry on campus--good or bad?

salty blues

salty blues

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It has been suggested by Whitey in the NIU shooting thread to please start a new thread, so I shall.
Do you think that allowing persons(teachers, students) with concealed gun carry permits to carry them on campuses would be a good idea or bad. I personally think it is an excellent idea. It might not stop some nut from attempting a shooting, but I think it could lessen the number of their potential victims.
 
kerriann

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no, but who's to say somebody wouldn't shoot them and take the gun off of them?? thus giving them more ammo for more damage and destruction
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Here the **** we go again ok so im on campus visiting my son some nut walks on the campus and starts shooting do I want the teacher also walking on campus to have a gun OH NO HIT HIM WITH A BOOK
 
jmick

jmick

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I'd imagine you'd need some serious training to be able to use a gun effectively in a situation like this. Can you imagine sitting in class and having someone brust through the door firing on the teacher and your fellow students? I can't imagine even if you were packing your first thought would be to pull you gun and fire back. I think the more natural response would be pure shock, then you'd process the situation, then you'd either try and flee or seek cover. By this time a gunman could easily have fired 20 + shots.
A better option would be metal detectors at the entrance to each building.
 
alix2.0

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im not saying that everyone who carries a gun will use it. but i know from experience that if someone has a gun and they get angry enough there is a chance that they will lose control and use it. you want to give thousands of kids guns and believe that every single one of them will use it responsibly?
 
salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2475002
I'd imagine you'd need some serious training to be able to use a gun effectively in a situation like this. Can you imagine sitting in class and having someone brust through the door firing on the teacher and your fellow students? I can't imagine even if you were packing your first thought would be to pull you gun and fire back. I think the more natural response would be pure shock, then you'd process the situation, then you'd either try and flee or seek cover. By this time a gunman could easily have fired 20 + shots.
A better option would be metal detectors at the entrance to each building.
Then the nut would just shoot the person manning the metal detector and be on his way.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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If they passed the requirments why not. If they are competent to carry in public school should be no different.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2475005
im not saying that everyone who carries a gun will use it. but i know from experience that if someone has a gun and they get angry enough there is a chance that they will lose control and use it. you want to give thousands of kids guns and believe that every single one of them will use it responsibly?
Experience? OK, Didn't you know kids are not elligable to obtain concealed carry permits?
 
salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2475005
im not saying that everyone who carries a gun will use it. but i know from experience that if someone has a gun and they get angry enough there is a chance that they will lose control and use it. you want to give thousands of kids guns and believe that every single one of them will use it responsibly?

I don't necessarily want to "give" guns to anyone. The fact is there are already a lot of professors and students who have permits that they can't use on campuses. Following your reasoning, what's to stop an armed security guard or cop whose having a bad day to "go off" and decide to kill a few folks?
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2475006
Then the nut would just shoot the person manning the metal detector and be on his way.
And you don't think this would alert campus police and everyone in the building to seek cover? I can't really think of many killings where a gunman killed a security then went on a rampage...they tend to pick areas that are easy targets and few deterents.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2475005
im not saying that everyone who carries a gun will use it. but i know from experience that if someone has a gun and they get angry enough there is a chance that they will lose control and use it. you want to give thousands of kids guns and believe that every single one of them will use it responsibly?
no guns should just be for bad guys
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2475002
I'd imagine you'd need some serious training to be able to use a gun effectively in a situation like this. Can you imagine sitting in class and having someone brust through the door firing on the teacher and your fellow students? I can't imagine even if you were packing your first thought would be to pull you gun and fire back. I think the more natural response would be pure shock, then you'd process the situation, then you'd either try and flee or seek cover. By this time a gunman could easily have fired 20 + shots.
A better option would be metal detectors at the entrance to each building.
Just had a case here in Colorado with a nut job shooting up churches. Unfortunatly for him the second one he hit had a volunteer security guard with a gun that made sure he didn't make it to a third.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Ok just a yes or no please some nut just snatched you child and is taking her away in his car do you want me JOE average citizen to be armed or stand there with my hands in my pocket looking for my car keys to run away
Disagree with me now but you would thank me later
 
alix2.0

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2475016
Experience? OK, Didn't you know kids are not elligable to obtain concealed carry permits?
duh...
Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2475017
I don't necessarily want to "give" guns to anyone. The fact is there are already a lot of professors and students who have permits that they can't use on campuses. Following your reasoning, what's to stop an armed security guard or cop whose having a bad day to "go off" and decide to kill a few folks?
why should you have a gun at school? what are the chances of there being a school shooting, really? yes thats what im saying anyone can have a bad day and go off shooting people so the less people that have guns the less people that can shoot people.
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2475022
no guns should just be for bad guys
i dont even get what your trying to say here...
 
scsinet

scsinet

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Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2474987
absolutely

So by saying that more shootings would occur because more people would have guns on campus...
Therefore, to look at it another way, you feel that there are people, today, right now, who wanted to go shoot up a school and said "Darn it though... guns are ILLEGAL at the school... I guess I'll have to cancel my rampage!" ???
Originally Posted by KerriAnn
http:///forum/post/2474991
no, but who's to say somebody wouldn't shoot them and take the gun off of them?? thus giving them more ammo for more damage and destruction
Yep, that's a good point. But what's to say that the carriers wouldn't shoot someone? It's all speculation. The shooter could kill the carrier, pick up his gun and have more ammo. But the carrier could also shoot the shooter. It could go either way. There have been cases of both happening.
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Now... generally speaking... Stay with me here because doing what I'm about to ask you to do is a very difficult thing to do. Imagine yourself as someone planning a slaughter/suicide type shooting. What concept sounds better to you, from a standpoint of carrying out your plans to kill people? Remember... you're not trying to make it out alive, you're going to commit suicide at the end.
A) strike in a "gun free zone" where you know nobody else is armed and can stop you. You'll have to carry more ammo, but you know there is no risk of getting shot until you are "done." At the same time... ask yourself... if you were planning to do this horrific act, would you be concerned at all that guns were illegal at the location you were going to do it?
B) Stike at a non "gun free zone," running the risk of getting shot for the convenience of having to carry less ammo (since you can get it off dead people who you shot while they were attempting to shoot you).
Which one would you do? Or... better question... which one does the shooter have a better chance of killing more people?
 
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