Concealed carry on campus--good or bad?

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2475032
duh...
why should you have a gun at school? what are the chances of there being a school shooting, really? yes thats what im saying anyone can have a bad day and go off shooting people so the less people that have guns the less people that can shoot people.
i dont even get what your trying to say here...
Here lately the chances have been pretty good.

 

[alix2.0]

Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/2475041

So by saying that more shootings would occur because more people would have guns on campus...
Therefore, to look at it another way, you feel that there are people, today, right now, who wanted to go shoot up a school and said "Darn it though... guns are ILLEGAL at the school... I guess I'll have to cancel my rampage!" ???
that would be premeditated, im talking about something spontaneous.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2475032
duh...
why should you have a gun at school? what are the chances of there being a school shooting, really? yes thats what im saying anyone can have a bad day and go off shooting people so the less people that have guns the less people that can shoot people.
i dont even get what your trying to say here...
no really try reading a news paper did you just say what are the chances of there being a school shooting you said anyone can have a bad day and go off shooting people wow

 

[reefraff]

Metal detectors do a great job. They decreased the number of guns in CHicago schools from 94 to 62. Now dont you feel safe?
Fewer Guns Found in Schools // Metal Detectors, Improved Security Cited for Decline
From: Chicago Sun-Times Date: January 14, 1994 Author: Lee Bey More results for: guns found in schoools with metal detectors | Copyright information Copyright 1994 Chicago Sun-Times. This material is published under license from the publisher through ProQuest Information and Learning Company, Ann Arbor, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to ProQuest Information and Learning Company.
Better use of metal detectors and beefed up security measures have deterred some students in Chicago public schools from bringing guns to class, according to police.
As of Tuesday, police had recovered 62 weapons on or near school grounds this school year, compared with 94 guns by last January, according to Lt. Thomas Byrne, commander of the police department's school patrol unit.
Fewer students were arrested on school grounds on unlawful use of weapon charges than last year, according to statistics provided by the School Board. Police arrested 95 students in the 1992-93 school year and 168 students the preceding school year.

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2475045
that would be premeditated, im talking about something spontaneous.
We can look at other areas where concealed carry is legal to see how your argument would play out.
How often do you hear about someone who was legally carrying a weapon that just whipped it out spontaneously and shot someone? How many shootings that occur in LEGAL CARRY LOCATIONS are from people who were legally carrying weapons?
It almost never happens. I've never heard of it ever happening, but I'm not going to go so far as to say it hasn't, as just because I haven't heard of something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
However, I read about some of the major shootings in the last decade... and these were people who planned the whole thing. In fact, the last major shooting incident that was in the news that occured in a LEGAL CARRY location, a person LEGALLY CARRYING shot the shooter and ended the rampage.

 

[florida joe]

Math question what is the correct answer one bad guy with a gun equals death or one bad guy with a gun and four good guys with a gun equals life

 

[reefraff]

There's a reason why people dont "Wig" and go shoot up police stations or gun ranges. They go where they wont be met with armed resistance.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2475072
There's a reason why people dont "Wig" and go shoot up police stations or gun ranges. They go where they wont be met with armed resistance.
Amen

 

[kerriann]

i understand what everyone's saying but honestly, i think more guns is just adding more fuel to the fire. in most of these shooting cases there have been NUMEROUS warning signs, personality disorders, etc. i haven't read much about the NIU shooting because, simply, i'm tired of giving these psychos attention. i can see how having somebody carrying may be helpful but honestly, if i was a teacher/professor and i had to shoot someone i seriously could not do it. i mentally cannot cause bodily harm to anyone. i'd sooner jump on top of the problem and sacrifice myself before i could cause any sort of harm. and these students who are looking to just murder people are going to pick up on the people like me that they know wouldn't be able to shoot if in a situation that most would. so whats the theory here? hire a classroom guard for each and every classroom across the nation?? absolutely impossible. these problems need to be attacked from the get go. there needs to be some sort of control put into place to keep these guns out of the hands of these people. while most won't agree with me, i feel that guns should be outlawed. nothing good comes from them and, in my perspective, that's going to be the first step to ANY sort of resolution in this matter

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by KerriAnn
http:///forum/post/2475108
i understand what everyone's saying but honestly, i think more guns is just adding more fuel to the fire. in most of these shooting cases there have been NUMEROUS warning signs, personality disorders, etc. i haven't read much about the NIU shooting because, simply, i'm tired of giving these psychos attention. i can see how having somebody carrying may be helpful but honestly, if i was a teacher/professor and i had to shoot someone i seriously could not do it. i mentally cannot cause bodily harm to anyone. i'd sooner jump on top of the problem and sacrifice myself before i could cause any sort of harm. and these students who are looking to just murder people are going to pick up on the people like me that they know wouldn't be able to shoot if in a situation that most would. so whats the theory here? hire a classroom guard for each and every classroom across the nation?? absolutely impossible. these problems need to be attacked from the get go. there needs to be some sort of control put into place to keep these guns out of the hands of these people. while most won't agree with me, i feel that guns should be outlawed. nothing good comes from them and, in my perspective, that's going to be the first step to ANY sort of resolution in this matter
Guns are not everyone's cup of tea. But for those who can handle them they could at least minimize the carnage.
Criminals and nuts don't give a whit about gun laws.

 

[kerriann]

which is exactly why guns need to be completely removed from society...again, that's my opinion and a very controversial one at that but i have yet to see ANYTHING positive about guns

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by KerriAnn
http:///forum/post/2475108
i understand what everyone's saying but honestly, i think more guns is just adding more fuel to the fire.
We're not talking about more guns, we're only talking about allowing people who already carry firearms legallly to carry them in more places, schools in this case.
in most of these shooting cases there have been NUMEROUS warning signs, personality disorders, etc.
Yep. NOT spontaeous.
If you are arguing that we had time to stop it... with how easy it is to get sued for defaming someone's character... or falsley accusing someone... besides... it's all "woulda coulda shoulda..." in retrospect, it's easy for the media to point out how "prevantable" anything was.
i can see how having somebody carrying may be helpful but honestly, if i was a teacher/professor and i had to shoot someone i seriously could not do it. i mentally cannot cause bodily harm to anyone.
Then don't carry. Nobody is forcing you.
i'd sooner jump on top of the problem and sacrifice myself before i could cause any sort of harm.
Sounds like you've embraced being a victim...
and these students who are looking to just murder people are going to pick up on the people like me that they know wouldn't be able to shoot if in a situation that most would.
That's why if you can't go through with it, you shouldn't carry.
so whats the theory here? hire a classroom guard for each and every classroom across the nation?? absolutely impossible.
Nobody said this

these problems need to be attacked from the get go. there needs to be some sort of control put into place to keep these guns out of the hands of these people. while most won't agree with me, i feel that guns should be outlawed.
Explain to me how this would keep guns out of the hands of criminals? I love how the anti-gun crowd asserts that every shooting is commited by legal gun owners who just snap, or that it's the "availabilty" of the weapons.
If they are going to commit MURDER why should they care about buying a gun illegally?
... "I was going to kill 20 people... but then I remembered that guns are illegal so if I buy one it'll add 20 years to my 20 consecutive life terms... there goes that plan!"
Someone else on here made the point that shootings occur at schools and not at police stations or shooting ranges because the criminals know the law abiding people at the school aren't armed. Now imagine EVERYWHERE being like that. Why is it so easy for the anti gun camps to simply ignore this logic?

 

[matt b]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2475118
Guns are not everyone's cup of tea. But for those who can handle them they could at least minimize the carnage.
Criminals and nuts don't give a whit about gun laws.
Well no offense to anyone but our so called system is so messed up and DUMB that they would end up making it easier for people to get guns then it already is. and I really dont think any 20 yr old should have a gun.

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by KerriAnn
http:///forum/post/2475123
which is exactly why guns need to be completely removed from society...

I M P O S S I B L E
How can you think it is, by any stretch of the imagination, in any way possible to do this?
Unless you can figure out a way to disinvent them, it will never happen. Laws against things only stop law abiding people, and the problem is criminals, not law abiding people
I respect everyone's opinion, so I'm not trying to pound on you, but I'd love for someone who has this idea to explain how it will work. I'm all ears.

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2475129
Well no offense to anyone but our so called system is so messed up and DUMB that they would end up making it easier for people to get guns then it already is. and I really dont think any 20 yr old should have a gun.
You could be right.
It is easier for a 16 year old to get weed than cigarettes in many cases.

 

[matt b]

And 90% of these shootings are because the people that you see on tv crying saying why would anyone do this? when they are the ones that make fun of the kids that get pushed over the edge. maybe if there was not so many "jocks" in the world it might be a better place.

 

[kerriann]

i do not see ANY need for guns AT ALL! cops don't need 'em, civillians don't need 'em. there are not NEARLY enough controls in place to keep this use minimized. while i understand the military needs them they're insanely protected so those should not be any concern. it won't be a quick resolution removing all guns from society but it will in time have an effect. and why is it that after all these years school shootings have suddenly started happening?? we need to evaluate what's happening with society to cause this (LACK OF PARENTING!!) and address these problems. honestly, 30 years ago, how many school shootings have you seen????

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by KerriAnn
http:///forum/post/2475152
cops don't need 'em, civillians don't need 'em.
Perhaps, except short of disinventing guns, you can't completely remove them so the cops would be outgunned if they gave theirs up. Even countries that do ban firearms have armed police forces. In the UK, the regular cops don't carry guns on them, but they have them in their vehicles and they have SWAT teams just like we do.
while i understand the military needs them they're insanely protected so those should not be any concern.
In foreign countries where guns are banned, the weapons available most commonly on the black market are US military weapons. Food for thought...
we need to evaluate what's happening with society to cause this (LACK OF PARENTING!!) and address these problems. honestly, 30 years ago, how many school shootings have you seen????
This is one thing we can agree on. Root cause analysis is certainly in order. I have my theories, but that's another topic.

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by KerriAnn
http:///forum/post/2475152
i do not see ANY need for guns AT ALL! cops don't need 'em, civillians don't need 'em. there are not NEARLY enough controls in place to keep this use minimized. while i understand the military needs them they're insanely protected so those should not be any concern. it won't be a quick resolution removing all guns from society but it will in time have an effect. and why is it that after all these years school shootings have suddenly started happening?? we need to evaluate what's happening with society to cause this (LACK OF PARENTING!!) and address these problems. honestly, 30 years ago, how many school shootings have you seen????
At the risk of derailing my own thread I submit that the disrespect for life we see in our society can be tied directly to abortion. There is no respect for the unborn, so why should there be respect for any life?

 

[matt b]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2475177
At the risk of derailing my own thread I submit that the disrespect for life we see in our society can be tied directly to abortion. There is no respect for the unborn, so why should there be respect for any life?
No wonder you want guns at schools. and this has NOTHING to do with this thread