Cowboys vs. Saints

dr. evil

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i hear ya scuba i can honestly say i was worried about our defense going into the game but as i watched it unfold all i could do is drop my jaw and shake my head. I have watched this team since i was 7yrs. old used to watch archie practice on David dr. and was even the flag bearer for the first 2 seasons of the dismal Ditka era and i was never as proud of this team as i was sunday nite i just wish Buddy D was still here to see it.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Dr. Evil
i hear ya scuba i can honestly say i was worried about our defense going into the game but as i watched it unfold all i could do is drop my jaw and shake my head. I have watched this team since i was 7yrs. old used to watch archie practice on David dr. and was even the flag bearer for the first 2 seasons of the dismal Ditka era and i was never as proud of this team as i was sunday nite i just wish Buddy D was still here to see it.
Maybe Buddy D is working his magic from upstairs. Yep..many memories for me as well going back to old TUlane Stadium.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Dr. Evil
oh i forgot to put this in cowboy fans =

Doc...if you go on that big auction site search on New Orleans Saints shirt. There is a guy from Harvey that sells Big Chin T Shirts. The shirt depicts the old Big Chin Guy holding the Saints Shield. THe shirt reads Old School Fan The Chin is In-Believing Since 1967. I bought one and it is really a nice T-Shirt.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by ruaround
so the Cowboys roster is wrong then... you should make them aware of thier error...
Hey Run...take out dem Bears this weekend.
Did you catch the Saints Dallas replay on nfl network? I ended up throwing my TV out as I saw Demarcus Ware dropping in pass coverage, lined up numerous times in the linbacker slot, plus a few times he lined up head on head with a back lined up in the slot receiver spot. My TV must be malfunctioning so I tossed it to the curb. I'm gonna get one of them 10 foot screen TV's as my old almost big time PEE WEE football eyes could be playing trick son me. Every one knows that a defensive end does not play ball like that......damn foreign made cheap TV.
Go Bucs!
 

ruaround

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i really dont think there is anything wrong with your TV Scuba!!! i happened to catch the replay and did see a #94 drop into pass coverage a couple times... he wasnt even in a 3 point stance... perhaps both of our TVs must be messed up!!! because we know that a DE doesnt often drop into pass coverage or line up on a slot receiver...
i am seriously hoping that the Bucs can get to Grossman... its our only hope... Bucs need to do something they havent done all season... PLAY PERFECT!!! another thing that historically goes against the Bucs... they dont play good in cold waether... up until the 99 season they had never won a game under 30 degrees... hopefully its an unseasonably warm day in chitown!!!
there is a possibility that we will see Rattay on sunday as well... Gradkowski and Rattay have been splitting snaps in practice this week...
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by ruaround
i really dont think there is anything wrong with your TV Scuba!!! i happened to catch the replay and did see a #94 drop into pass coverage a couple times... he wasnt even in a 3 point stance... perhaps both of our TVs must be messed up!!! because we know that a DE doesnt often drop into pass coverage or line up on a slot receiver...
i am seriously hoping that the Bucs can get to Grossman... its our only hope... Bucs need to do something they havent done all season... PLAY PERFECT!!! another thing that historically goes against the Bucs... they dont play good in cold waether... up until the 99 season they had never won a game under 30 degrees... hopefully its an unseasonably warm day in chitown!!!
there is a possibility that we will see Rattay on sunday as well... Gradkowski and Rattay have been splitting snaps in practice this week...

DE's will occassionally drop off in a zone blitz situation but that was not the case.
He lined up as a CLASSIC OS backer in a 3-4 scheme on many plays...but all I have is almost big time PEE WEE football experience.
OS backers is a 3-4 scheme often lineup next to the DE's on the line of scrimmage.
Many big games this weekend atrating Sat night. I have a hunch the Dirty Birds although beat up will give the Calfboys a good game.
 

ruaround

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i know what youre sayin... J Peppers does drop off in a Zone blitz and sometimes he will cover a flat route... but when he does this he is in a 3 pt stance...
its gonna be tough for the Dirty Birds... they are very banged up!!! but i will still pull for M Vick!!!
 

emmitt2

Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Hey Run...take out dem Bears this weekend.
Did you catch the Saints Dallas replay on nfl network? I ended up throwing my TV out as I saw Demarcus Ware dropping in pass coverage, lined up numerous times in the linbacker slot, plus a few times he lined up head on head with a back lined up in the slot receiver spot. My TV must be malfunctioning so I tossed it to the curb. I'm gonna get one of them 10 foot screen TV's as my old almost big time PEE WEE football eyes could be playing trick son me. Every one knows that a defensive end does not play ball like that......damn foreign made cheap TV.
Go Bucs!
This is so amusing

Nope.....nothing wrong with your tv......you just apparently cant decipher the images coming off of it.......so let me try to explain.....dont worry .....ill dumb it down for ya
First, this whole debate started when i said "our front four". Ask any Cowboy fan about our front four and they wont say "we run a 3-4" they will say "ware,

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, ferguson, and ellis are pretty good". Youre trying to twist that to me saying we play a 4-3 which i never did. I said we play a 3-4 in name only which we do, and heres why.
Of course, i erased the original debacle from my Tivo but taped the replay. The replay didnt show the 4th quarter since that was garbage time and no scoring occured but here is the breakdown of the 53 offensive plays you ran thru 3 quarters. Of those 53, Ware was out for 4 plays, heres where he was the rest of the games 49 plays:
12 plays(25.5%) Classic 4-3 3 point defensive end stance
33 plays(66.5%) Defensive end position but a 2 point stance
3 plays(6%) defensive end position, 2 point stance but dropped back into coverage at the snap
1 play(2%) lined up in the slot on receiver at the line(this was the 1st play of the game!)
Yep, i'm completely wrong. We ran a 4-3 25% of the time and a quasi 4-3 66.5% of the time. 1 play the ENTIRE game he didnt line up as a classic end, he was a few yards further down the line and that was the very first play! 4 plays of the entire game we played a "classic, true" 3-4. I'm sure, you'll twist that so heres the real reason which apparently you dont know so ill enlighten you. THE MOST BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF THE 3-4 DEFENSE IS DISGUISING YOUR PRESSURE FROM THE LINEBACKERS. The entire concept is that 3 large lineman occupy the o-line freeing up the linebackers to pressure from different gaps confusing the o-line. The entire point of a 3-4 is that the o-line doesnt know where or from which linebacker the pressure is coming from and cant get their blocking assignments correct. We do not do that. Our pressure comes from Ware 90% of the time as the game stats prove. No other linebacker on our team ever rushes except once in a blue moon. Our extra pressure usually comes from Roy Williams. Hence, our ENTIRE linebacking group other than Ware has combined for 1 sack all year. One. Sounds like a true 3-4 to me,lmao. Our pressure comes from Ware almost every play and we dont disguise our pressure packages. We bring the same one 90% of the time. We do not run a true 3-4 for the vast majority of games, exactly as i said.
You say i twist things, I DARE YOU TO CHECK THE REPLAY AND SAY ANY OF THESE NUMBERS ARE WRONG. You say WARE lined up "numerous times in the linebacker slot". That is a bald faced lie. Not one single time did he line up behind the defensive line. Not once. If i'm wrong, tell us the quarter, time and down and distance of the play where he did so everyone can check for themselves and see whos right or wrong. I eagerly await you excuses for why you wont or cant refute those numbers,lol ***)
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
This is so amusing

Nope.....nothing wrong with your tv......you just apparently cant decipher the images coming off of it.......so let me try to explain.....dont worry .....ill dumb it down for ya
First, this whole debate started when i said "our front four". Ask any Cowboy fan about our front four and they wont say "we run a 3-4" they will say "ware,

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, ferguson, and ellis are pretty good". Youre trying to twist that to me saying we play a 4-3 which i never did. I said we play a 3-4 in name only which we do, and heres why.
Of course, i erased the original debacle from my Tivo but taped the replay. The replay didnt show the 4th quarter since that was garbage time and no scoring occured but here is the breakdown of the 53 offensive plays you ran thru 3 quarters. Of those 53, Ware was out for 4 plays, heres where he was the rest of the games 49 plays:
12 plays(25.5%) Classic 4-3 3 point defensive end stance
33 plays(66.5%) Defensive end position but a 2 point stance
3 plays(6%) defensive end position, 2 point stance but dropped back into coverage at the snap
1 play(2%) lined up in the slot on receiver at the line(this was the 1st play of the game!)
Yep, i'm completely wrong. We ran a 4-3 25% of the time and a quasi 4-3 66.5% of the time. 1 play the ENTIRE game he didnt line up as a classic end, he was a few yards further down the line and that was the very first play! 4 plays of the entire game we played a "classic, true" 3-4. I'm sure, you'll twist that so heres the real reason which apparently you dont know so ill enlighten you. THE MOST BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF THE 3-4 DEFENSE IS DISGUISING YOUR PRESSURE FROM THE LINEBACKERS. The entire concept is that 3 large lineman occupy the o-line freeing up the linebackers to pressure from different gaps confusing the o-line. The entire point of a 3-4 is that the o-line doesnt know where or from which linebacker the pressure is coming from and cant get their blocking assignments correct. We do not do that. Our pressure comes from Ware 90% of the time as the game stats prove. No other linebacker on our team ever rushes except once in a blue moon. Our extra pressure usually comes from Roy Williams. Hence, our ENTIRE linebacking group other than Ware has combined for 1 sack all year. One. Sounds like a true 3-4 to me,lmao. Our pressure comes from Ware almost every play and we dont disguise our pressure packages. We bring the same one 90% of the time. We do not run a true 3-4 for the vast majority of games, exactly as i said.
You say i twist things, I DARE YOU TO CHECK THE REPLAY AND SAY ANY OF THESE NUMBERS ARE WRONG. You say WARE lined up "numerous times in the linebacker slot". That is a bald faced lie. Not one single time did he line up behind the defensive line. Not once. If i'm wrong, tell us the quarter, time and down and distance of the play where he did so everyone can check for themselves and see whos right or wrong. I eagerly await you excuses for why you wont or cant refute those numbers,lol ***)
Who dat say dey done with me?
I was simply having a conversation with RU. Please save your time addressing me. I am obviously too dumb to even respond to your posts.
I have only played almost big time Pee WEE football, and cannot compete with almost big time Al Bundy Jr and Sr high football, or glee club, or pep squad members(cheap attempt at humor).
I understand you are driven and you beleive you have a vast understanding of football.
Again, nice try but your efforts are bettered directed at trying to figure out the flow rate of ketchup.
I'll refrain form responding to your dumb it down comment.
This is the last time I will repond to your ramblings.
Oh by the way...Dallas got pounded again on the replay. I do find your posts quite amusing.
 

emmitt2

Member

Thats what i thought
You cannot refute FACTS so weak attempts at being condescending,rofl. So amusing. And dont worry, i dont hold it against you that you were never able to actually play.
As i said before, its the difference between actually knowing what a 3-4 and 4-3 are and just hearing a soundbite and repeating without understanding

Bye,bye
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Oceanists said:
Cowboys are awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwfull tonight.....
I want to know how pass interference turns into a 5 yard penalty, why werent the cowboys given a choice?
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Oceanists, the ref picked the flag up for pass interference as it was determined that THomas was looking back at the ball so the flag was picked up leaving only the illegal contact. They did explain this on TV but you probably did not hear the explanation. It came a few plays later as I recall by Al Michaels.
I thought I had mentioned this some where amongst the ramblings but it looks like I did not.
Tough road game on Sat night for you and the Boys. The dirty birds will probably bring teir A game as it is a must game for them. They are banged up but sometimes this can rally the troops to play harder.
 

ruaround

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here is the starting line up of the Cowboys taken right off thier website...RE Chris Canty
NT Jason Ferguson
LE Marcus

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LLB Al Singleton

MLB Bradie James

JLB Akin Ayodele

RLB DeMarcus Ware

LCB Terence Newman
RCB Anthony Henry
FS Keith Davis
SS Roy William
emmitt i think you better call the tuna and let him know his roster is wrong... i count 4 line backers... you also should tell him his D scheme has been mistaken too... if you were to tell him exactly what you did in your posts it may open his eyes and see that he has misnamed his D and put his players in the wrong positions...
 

scubadoo

Active Member
RU.....you watching the game tonight? I gotta pull for Frisco.
RU...sometimes you bait your hook..and before you even toss the line in the water the fish jump right in the boat. :happyfish
 

emmitt2

Member
As i've said NUMEROUS times, Bill can list Ware as whatever position he wants. The fact is that we do not follow basic 3-4 fundamentals. Not even close for the vast majority of games. Check NE stats for any of the last few years. I guarantee you that all 4 of their linebackers have multiple sacks since they run a TRUE 3-4 and disguise their pressure. They bring pressure from all 4 linebackers and you never know from who or where. Hence their success. That is what a 3-4 defense is all about. Its the whole purpose of running a 3-4. We do not do that!. We bring pressure from the EXACT same person almost every play. Our other linebackers rarely if ever rush the passer. Not a true 3-4 by any means and when Ware is in a 3 point stance, its a 4-3.
I guess if Bill quits, Ware is out of a job if we go back to a true 4-3 next year. Weird that a linebacker would be in a 3 point stance at defensive end position on EVERY single goalline defensive play he has ever been on. Dont recall seeing many linebackers who go in on the goalline package as a down lineman EVERY SINGLE TIME. Weird :notsure:
It is incredibly amusing to hear you guys talk without knowing anything about the basic fundamentals of a 3-4 or 4-3
 

ruaround

Active Member
I am watching the game tonight!!! i am going for Seattle though...
heh... its odd how that works... the bait is so good that they just jump right in...
emmitt... LT lined up as Ware ALOT... thats fine believe what you would like... its okay... i enjoy reading your posts too... so when you feel the need to correct me go ahead... for i know you are omnicient now...
 

ruaround

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who needs to know basic fundimentals... call a spade a spade or a duck a duck... a 3 - 4 is 3 line man and 4 line backers... 4 - 3 is 4 down lineman and 3 line backers... its easy... what you are talking about is schemes, packages, blitzs and coverages...
a base unit is the starting positions... not wether or not they blitz 99% of the game...
 

emmitt2

Member
Yes, LT did line up like that "alot" but not NEARLY as much as Ware. If im so wrong and you guys are so smart please, enlighten me: Tell me what the purpose of running 3-4 defense is if it isnt to disguise pressure from the lb's and confuse the offensive line? That IS the most basic, fundamental aspect of a 3-4 defense. If you arent doing that, you arent running a true 3-4 regardless of how many d-linemen you classify as lb's. We dont do that and dont play a true 3-4.
Like i said, if im wrong, please prove it. Tell me the purpose of a 3-4 if it isnt what ive said ***)
 

emmitt2

Member
Originally Posted by ruaround
who needs to know basic fundimentals... call a spade a spade or a duck a duck... a 3 - 4 is 3 line man and 4 line backers... 4 - 3 is 4 down lineman and 3 line backers... its easy... what you are talking about is schemes, packages, blitzs and coverages...
a base unit is the starting positions... not wether or not they blitz 99% of the game...

Exactly as ive said, I know you dont understand the basics,lol. Its the difference between understanding something and just reading something. Just having 4 lbs on the field doesnt make a "true" 3-4. You have to follow the basic principles of a 3-4 defense. Just cause you pass alot doesnt make you a run and shoot team.
Exactly what i said, we run a 3-4 in name only as we dont follow its basic principles and use Ware as a defensive end the majority of games. Funny, how you guys cant refute any of his positions in the Aints game. What happened to the "numerous times in classic lb position"??
Didnt happen, bald faced LIE>
 

ruaround

Active Member
a 3 - 4 defense is used to make the offense make adjustments... unlike a 4 - 3 or "gap D" where the defense is making the majority of the adjustments...
DUDE A ROSTER IS A ROSTER... right now Dallas plays a 3 - 4... it doesnt matter if ware goes and lays down in the end zone every play... DALLAS' BASE DEFENSE IS A 3 - 4!!!
 
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