Cycling question on a 10g

spanko

spanko

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Well Lois it is getting close to Halloween. Time to do the scary stuff!!!!
Good Daniel.
I know this will never change the fact that it is called cycle but to me we are talking about establishing a biofilter. Why can't we just call it something like that. Cycles happen often in our tanks and after the initial "establishment of the biofilter" we don't even see them most of the time. They happen every time the bioload changes, increasing or decreasing the amount of bacteria in the tank.
Blah Blah Blah Henry!
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3141839
Well Lois it is getting close to Halloween. Time to do the scary stuff!!!!
Good Daniel.
I know this will never change the fact that it is called cycle but to me we are talking about establishing a biofilter. Why can't we just call it something like that. Cycles happen often in our tanks and after the initial "establishment of the biofilter" we don't even see them most of the time. They happen every time the bioload changes, increasing or decreasing the amount of bacteria in the tank.
Blah Blah Blah Henry!
HEY...he is going to school for Marine Biology.....not fair....I had to look my answer up
 
katsafados

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3141843
HEY...he is going to school for Marine Biology.....not fair....I had to look my answer up

Not yet! lol
Biochemistry right now haha
Nitrogen cycle is the same thing kind of but for soil I think
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Katsafados
http:///forum/post/3141505
If you cycle it with uncured rock its better because the rock is fresh out of the ocean, instead of out of a enclosed enviroment. This means with uncured LR you have a potential to get more hitchers that are microorganisms in your tank.
They cycle is also better, due to the amout of die off, so the ammonia spikes will be higher, which means more good bacteria will be growing to combat the ammonia spikes ect.
I used uncured LR and it took me a month to cycle my tank, but the tank seems a lot more mature then other people I know who used cured LR.
Cured LR just makes the cycle go alot quicker due to minimal die off. The rock will be cured once purchased, but by the time you get it into the tank some of the organisms will have died. Due to this you'll have a small cycle, because there isnt that much die off compared to uncured LR.
Thats what I got out of cured LR V.S uncured when I researched. Hope that helps a little, and I'm somewhat right.
I mean this post with all due respect. I am sorry if it seems like I am picking apart your post but there are thinks that IMO are just not true. I am sure you will respond validating your post.
If you cycle it with uncured rock its better because the rock is fresh out of the ocean, instead of out of a enclosed
What do you mean by fresh out of the ocean and if I use my understanding of fresh out of the ocean would it then be cured
They cycle is also better, due to the amout of die off, so the ammonia spikes will be higher, which means more good bacteria will be growing to combat the ammonia spikes ect.
You do not need a high ammonia spike initially once you have the beginning of nitrification your bio-filtration will grow in relationship to your organic breakdown IMO there is no advantage to a higher amount of ammonia introduced into your tank, it in fact can slow the process of a complete cycle.
I used uncured LR and it took me a month to cycle my tank, but the tank seems a lot more mature then other people I know who used cured LR
I just need an explanation on that statement especially why you feel your tank is more mature by using uncured rock to start a cycle
They cycle is also better, due to the amout of die
You may in fact not have any die off with cured rock.
I also got a lot of micro hitchers that are benifitial to the enclosed aquarium.
How did you observe this?
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Katsafados
http:///forum/post/3141846
Not yet! lol
Biochemistry right now haha
Nitrogen cycle is the same thing kind of but for soil I think
It’s all about the Nitrogen Cycle
This was taken from an article.....see.....It is about SW
 
katsafados

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Most of the stuff I posted was what I read from other forums, and online information about cured vs. uncured LR cycles.
I was told that with uncured LR there a better chance that organisms will get into your system because of the fact, that the cured rock has been sitting in a bucket at your LFS, which means all those organisms that hitched onto the rock, now have been released into the LFS tanks rather than your own.
I acctually got a chance to take my water into my microbiology labb, and the proff. and I sat down and looked at all the different bacteria swimming around through an electron microscope. Shes acctually trying to find out about the different types of bacteria or organisms that were swimming around i nthe sample.
Also if the initial ammonia is high, wouldnt that mean theres more biowaste for your benifitial bacteria to grow. Ammonia is the bacterias food source? Then the nitrites are the other bacterias food source? No? I forget the names of the bacteria that take care of each.
Once again just stated what I have read when I was in the situation. I also posted that in the previous post, stating if I'm wrong I hope someone came and corrected me, which you did.
 
florida joe

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Joes cap says A cycle (in the world of marine aquariumms ) would be one complete occurrence of events in a never ending reportision. Ammonia to nitrites to nitrates to nitrogen gas. One cycle,if the cycle is broken in any of its stages the insuing build up can be detrimental to our tanks. You do not want your cycle to END,. Be OVER, FINISHED ect.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Katsafados
http:///forum/post/3141854
Most of the stuff I posted was what I read from other forums, and online information about cured vs. uncured LR cycles.
I was told that with uncured LR there a better chance that organisms will get into your system because of the fact, that the cured rock has been sitting in a bucket at your LFS, which means all those organisms that hitched onto the rock, now have been released into the LFS tanks rather than your own.
I acctually got a chance to take my water into my microbiology labb, and the proff. and I sat down and looked at all the different bacteria swimming around through an electron microscope. Shes acctually trying to find out about the different types of bacteria or organisms that were swimming around i nthe sample.
Also if the initial ammonia is high, wouldnt that mean theres more biowaste for your benifitial bacteria to grow. Ammonia is the bacterias food source? Then the nitrites are the other bacterias food source? No? I forget the names of the bacteria that take care of each.
Once again just stated what I have read when I was in the situation. I also posted that in the previous post, stating if I'm wrong I hope someone came and corrected me, which you did.
·First let me say my young budding marine biologest BRAVO a nobel course of study and I wish you luck and hope you eventually help the oceans of the world prosper.
You are indeed lucky to have witnesssed mirco organisums. I have also fasinating.
As far as the initial ammonia IMO more does not mean better. If you introduce a minimal amount of ammonia in your tank you start the nitrification prosses and complet the cycle of ammonia to nitrites faster then with a higher ammount of ammonia. Once you establish this cycle you can slowly incress the organice brake down growing your nitrifing bactera as your bio –load incresses with out having to worry about a hight spike in ammonia
 
katsafados

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3141862
·First let me say my young budding marine biologest BRAVO a nobel course of study and I wish you luck and hope you eventually help the oceans of the world prosper.
You are indeed lucky to have witnesssed mirco organisums. I have also fasinating.
As far as the initial ammonia IMO more does not mean better. If you introduce a minimal amount of ammonia in your tank you start the nitrification prosses and complet the cycle of ammonia to nitrites faster then with a higher ammount of ammonia. Once you establish this cycle you can slowly incress the organice brake down growing your nitrifing bactera as your bio –load incresses with out having to worry about a hight spike in ammonia

See what I noticed when I cycled my tank using uncured LR, was that I had a medium ammonia spike, no nitrites, no nitrates. The ammonia went down after a while(1 month, could be less, faulty test kit) and ive never had a spike of ammonia, nitrite, or nitrate again (well yet). My tanks been running for 5 months now and the water parameters are perfectly stable.
I have tons of filter feeders growing on glass, tons of coraline algae growth(no green stuff on the rocks, just a little on the sand), a nice population of amphipods, dwarf brittle stars, and some bristle worms. All of these creatures just started to grow recently in the last month or two. I belive I got more of these critters through the uncured LR as micro organisms that just started to appear now. I went to my lab proff. today and she said there ar tons of different bacterial species in the sample of my SW(other than the normal nitrification bacteria.) So she might be looking at some microscoping organisms that could potentially grow into soemthing else. Also with the uncured rock, rather than cured I noticed that you have a better chance of picking up on hitchers(my personal opinion, from what I see in friends tanks.)
I've only lost 2 fish, but not due to ammonia spikes or bad water parameters. They just simply dissapeared without a trace.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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See what I noticed when I cycled my tank using uncured LR, was that I had a medium ammonia spike, no nitrites, no nitrates. The ammonia went down after a while(1 month, could be less, faulty test kit) and ive never had a spike of ammonia, nitrite, or nitrate again (well yet). My tanks been running for 5 months now and the water parameters are perfectly stable.
Well my budding marine biologist let this old intermediate hobbyist just say you noticed an ammonia spike do to the die off of your uncured rock. If you were diligent in your testing and you had an ammonia spike you would have seen a rise in nitrites as you bio filtration grew to meet the demand of your organic brake down
I've only lost 2 fish, but not due to ammonia spikes or bad water parameters. They just simply dissapeared without a trace.
two is two to many. Did you investigate my soon to be biologist
Also with the uncured rock, rather than cured I noticed that you have a better chance of picking up on hitchers(my personal opinion, from what I see in friends tanks.)
sorry but you have to Explain this to me because it makes not sense at all to me, if anything the ammonia from die off may kill some hitchhikers
 
spanko

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Also with the uncured rock, rather than cured I noticed that you have a better chance of picking up on hitchers(my personal opinion, from what I see in friends tanks.)
sorry but you have to Explain this to me because it makes not sense at all to me, if anything the ammonia from die off may kill some hitchhikers
Tis dependent on the quality of rock and the rock supplier. As you very well know becasue you are not far from there TBS has some of the best aquacultured Florida rock around in terms of diversity of life contained therein. They ship airfrieght quick like a bunny for minimal die-off. I have seen threads where tanks are up literally in days with abundance and diversity that supasses most if not all others.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3142176
Tis dependent on the quality of rock and the rock supplier. As you very well know becasue you are not far from there TBS has some of the best aquacultured Florida rock around in terms of diversity of life contained therein. They ship airfrieght quick like a bunny for minimal die-off. I have seen threads where tanks are up literally in days with abundance and diversity that supasses most if not all others.
Unless I missed something my good old friend the young biologist is from Canada live rock is live rock and uncured is uncured would he not by definition have less diversity with the uncured. To make a statement that uncured has move hitchhikers to me is not a valid statement
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3142190
Depends, would you call TBS rock cured or uncured rock?
Well for the hobbyist that is not familiar with TBS, (Tampa bay live rock) and how it is shipped I would say it is most defiantly live Again I must ask why do you have more hitchhikers on uncured rock then cured
 
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