DeltaBlack22's 20L Frag Tank Diary!!!

deltablack22

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Originally Posted by azfishgal
Which is why I'm not worried about any uneaten food. Not when you have nassarius snails.

My thoughts exactly.
 

deltablack22

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Well heres for an update... I was in the field for a week and have some new things to share. I found the clown goby dead on the back of the filter intake about a week ago and it was determined to be lympho in the disease and treatment forum. I thought nothing of it and decided to add a clownfish and a sixline since lympho is a diet related issue from what I understand. Well that wasnt the case at all apparently - It was ich... My sixline got it too and died on Saturday.
I'm pretty pissed about the whole ordeal. I just hope the clown will be alright. I cant do a copper treatment in the tank so I might try some of the reef safe meds if he starts showing signs of infection - nothing yet so I'm crossing my fingers. Any suggestions?
Oh my order came in as well and when I got home from work my wife had everything all laid out like it was Christmas or something. It felt like it - I've been waiting on this stuff for awhile now. I did some new frags on the reef discs and I'll try to post some pictures of them tommorow after work.
Heres a couple pictures in light of the thread. The first is of the order (also got a little mini bow for my sons betta not pictured) and the second is when I was acclimating the clown and the sixline.

 
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nemo_66

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cool and sorry about your fish. can you post a pic of the back of those snails? if they are the samething i have, that would be cool, since mine have multiplied like crazy!
 

grubsnaek

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i also have a 20L frag tank. i painted the back and sides by spray paint, then painted my 125 DT and a 55g sump. all with spray paint. next time none of that. my finger was numb after the frag tank. it was weird cause it got so bad at one point my finger wouldn't straighten out.
i to at first use the same thing to hold my cheato. there a good tank to grow out softies and LPS. are both of the koralia for the frag tank.
is it possible to move the heater all the way to the sand. it would look better in my opinion.
also are you considering a hang on fuge or anything like that
 

deltablack22

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I'll try to post a pic of the snails later on for ya Nemo... I dont think they are the same if you say yours multiply like rabbits - I've had snails just like these in my Display tank for at least 6 months and havent seen them multiply.
Grub - No, both Koralias arent in the tank and I had to replace that heater you see pictured. I went with a Stealth heater and my temp is stable now. I dont think I'll do a hang on fuge, I thought about converting half of the HOB power filter into a mini fuge but honestly the cheato has more room in that little shower caddy. I'm not too worried about looks since the tank is one giant frag rack anyway ya know?
I should be posting a few more pics tonight with the things I got in my order added to the tank. I also went a little frag happy last night and added about ten frags to the tank...
 

azfishgal

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
I just hope the clown will be alright. I cant do a copper treatment in the tank so I might try some of the reef safe meds if he starts showing signs of infection - nothing yet so I'm crossing my fingers. Any suggestions?
The best suggestion I can give is to take your clown out of the 20L and do Hypo on it. More than likely the clown has ich but if it's in the gills you won't see it. The only way to make sure your 20L tank does not have ich is to leave it fishless for 6 weeks.
 

deltablack22

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Originally Posted by azfishgal
The best suggestion I can give is to take your clown out of the 20L and do Hypo on it. More than likely the clown has ich but if it's in the gills you won't see it. The only way to make sure your 20L tank does not have ich is to leave it fishless for 6 weeks.
I wish I could but I'm one of those shunned no quarantine type reefers... The only way that tank is going fishless for six weeks is if he dies.

I wanted to do hypo on the whole tank but I know you really cant have anything in it, but I dont even have the equipment/facilities to hypo him for a couple weeks and then leave the tank fishless. I know everyone tries to downplay "reef safe meds" but there has to be one that works.
 

azfishgal

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
I wish I could but I'm one of those shunned no quarantine type reefers... The only way that tank is going fishless for six weeks is if he dies.

I wanted to do hypo on the whole tank but I know you really cant have anything in it, but I dont even have the equipment/facilities to hypo him for a couple weeks and then leave the tank fishless. I know everyone tries to downplay "reef safe meds" but there has to be one that works.
I completely understand. I'm sure someone on here has used one that worked.
Maybe you'll get lucky and never see another white spot again.
 
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nemo_66

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i wouldnt use reef safe meds. i am not the type to say this type of thing, but it doesnt work. ich is a invert which lives in sand and feeds on the fishes whatever. if a medication is coral safe, wich is a type of invert, then ich will survive it to. i have also tried it, and i think it just made my fish suffer. i would dose, the ich would die, 30 min. later, it would return. the best thing to do is feed a varity and soak some food in garlic, and maybe feed twice a day so the garlic gets to it. if you mecanicaly get rid of the ich, it will come back since the fishes immune system didnt fight it off on its own. if you let the clown fight it, it will almost never come back. this is just a word of advice, you dont have to listen to any of it and i will not be held responsible of any dead fish, but im just saying what has worked for me. tank looks great anyway. what ten corals did you get?
 

gregghia

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Hey man... nice order look slike you got some goodies. Sorry about the fish. I am doing the nano reef as well but so busy I can't seem to find time to work on it.
 

deltablack22

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Well I think I found a way to quarantine the clown and leave the tank fishless... My "Boss" gave me a 2.5 gallon Mini Bow tank like I bought for my sons bettas... I guess I could just set it up bare bottom with the small in tank filter it comes with, a heater and some PVC for him to hide in.
So let me get this straight, if I remove the clown and it doesnt show signs of ich for 3 weeks he should be considered ich free? (I'll have to keep him in the tank until the tank finishes quarantine though.)
The tank has to stay fishless for 6 weeks to carry on past the ich life cycle and be ich free right?
I guess that means I can leave inverts/corals in the tank right? Has anyone encountered issues with quarantine tanks or maybe have some knowledge to pass on about the subject?
 

deltablack22

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Originally Posted by gregghia
Hey man... nice order look slike you got some goodies. Sorry about the fish. I am doing the nano reef as well but so busy I can't seem to find time to work on it.
I saw the thread you started... Looks good so far. I cant wait to see what you come up with for a stand, I think a wall mounted system would be sweet (not in wall but wall art). Or maybe a bookshelf/nano stand - multi functional would be cool. I suppose the final product will depend on your level of craftsmanship.
 

azfishgal

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Well I think I found a way to quarantine the clown and leave the tank fishless... My "Boss" gave me a 2.5 gallon Mini Bow tank like I bought for my sons bettas... I guess I could just set it up bare bottom with the small in tank filter it comes with, a heater and some PVC for him to hide in. This sounds good, just make sure you keep an eye on the parameters since it's so small. Do frequent water change and you should be good. (of course cycle it first)

So let me get this straight, if I remove the clown and it doesnt show signs of ich for 3 weeks he should be considered ich free? (I'll have to keep him in the tank until the tank finishes quarantine though.) Well, since he will actually be in the tank for 6 weeks, because of the QT time for the frag tank, you should be in the clear for sure.

The tank has to stay fishless for 6 weeks to carry on past the ich life cycle and be ich free right? Yes

I guess that means I can leave inverts/corals in the tank right? Has anyone encountered issues with quarantine tanks or maybe have some knowledge to pass on about the subject?
Yes, you can leave the inverts/corals in your tank, ich needs a fish to host.
 

deltablack22

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Sweet - Thanks AZ. I'm just debating even putting him in QT now though... I still dont see any signs of ich on him. I know it can get in their gills but he's breating and acting normal. I'd hate to go through all that trouble when he's already been alone in the tank for I guess a week now and if I keep him in there for two more weeks with no ich there would be no need to QT anyhow.
This is frustrating - I need a beer...
 

azfishgal

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Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Sweet - Thanks AZ. I'm just debating even putting him in QT now though... I still dont see any signs of ich on him. I know it can get in their gills but he's breating and acting normal. I'd hate to go through all that trouble when he's already been alone in the tank for I guess a week now and if I keep him in there for two more weeks with no ich there would be no need to QT anyhow.
This is frustrating - I need a beer...

I've had a bad day, can you give me one too.
I would just leave him then and if you see some spots start the QT, you have the stuff to do it. And if no spots show up, GREAT!
It is a long process to QT so I understand completely. I would maybe just not add anymore fish until you go three weeks without seeing any signs.
 

deltablack22

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Originally Posted by azfishgal
I've had a bad day, can you give me one too.
I would just leave him then and if you see some spots start the QT, you have the stuff to do it. And if no spots show up, GREAT!
It is a long process to QT so I understand completely. I would maybe just not add anymore fish until you go three weeks without seeing any signs.
Yeah, he is the only one in the tank so I was hoping that just leaving him in the tank for 3-4 weeks would be fine. Like you said - I have the means of starting a QT if I need to now so if the clown comes down with ich or any of my fish in my DT for that matter I can now treat them accordingly.
Heh, If your week was anything like mine you'd be halfway through a keg about now. I've got a tap if you wanna go halves on a keg...
 

deltablack22

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Well I've been really bad at posting new pictures here lately so I'll make up for it tonight. First up is a few pictures from about a week ago when I made about 10 frags from my display tank. I know I should wear gloves but you just lose so much feeling...

Just wanted to share my simple frag setup. I use a razorblade to detach polyps from the mother colony, and attach it to rubble rock or reef discs using superglue gel. I use the small plastic baby food container to rinse new frags before they go in the tank, and store the reef discs in R/O water in an old betta container under the frag tank. It aint much but it works...



 

deltablack22

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This one is totally unrelated but my wife took it while I was at work and I thought it was funny. She laid my son down on the couch on his back so she could go make him a bottle. He's just started to roll over good, much less being able to pull himself up, but he loves to look at the tank. I suppose all he needed was a little motivation...
 

deltablack22

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Here are some of the frags I did... I also chopped up a mushroom but that koralia wont let them settle down so I have no idea what happened to them. I tried one of the discs with the polyps separated to see if I would get faster growth one way or the other - should be able to tell in a few weeks. Out of all the frags I only lost one, and that was probably due to an unsteady hand.



 
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