Do babies go to heaven?

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2593930
It can be interpreted different ways.
However, I'm Catholic and was taught that the gates of Heaven were closed to man until Jesus died on the cross. Everyone that died before Jesus went to Hell. Thus, David's child would have had to be in Hell.
are you serious, thats what catholics believe. so moses,abraham,jacob and joseph are all in hell?
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594043
According to Catholics (I dont know about other christian religions), all babies are born with Orignal Sin.
thats true catholics do believe this and it s obsurd that a preist thinks he has the power to forgive that sin. God died on the cross for all are sins. we are born into a sinful world but a baby is born sin free
 

darknes

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2594050
are you serious, thats what catholics believe. so moses,abraham,jacob and joseph are all in hell?
They WERE in hell. As professed in the Creed, when Jesus died he descended into Hell. Then, he opened the gates to Heaven and brought the just souls to Heaven.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594065
They WERE in hell. As professed in the Creed, when Jesus died he descended into Hell. Then, he opened the gates to Heaven and brought the just souls to Heaven.
that makes absolutly no sense
 

darknes

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2594055
thats true catholics do believe this and it s obsurd that a preist thinks he has the power to forgive that sin. God died on the cross for all are sins. we are born into a sinful world but a baby is born sin free
The priest doesn't forgive the sin, God does. He only acts as a mediator. Plus, any practicing Catholic can perform a Baptism in cases where a priest is not available.
 

darknes

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2594068
that makes absolutly no sense
Why? It's profesized in the Old Testament. God closed the gates of Heaven after Adam and Eve commited sin and would not allow any souls into Heaven until his son died for our sins.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594065
They WERE in hell. As professed in the Creed, when Jesus died he descended into Hell. Then, he opened the gates to Heaven and brought the just souls to Heaven.
Wow, freaky. From age 0-18 I was HEAVILY involved in the Methodist Church and never once heard anything like that.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594073
Why? It's profesized in the Old Testament. God closed the gates of Heaven after Adam and Eve commited sin and would not allow any souls into Heaven until his son died for our sins.
i understand that but i cant believe nor does it ever say Gods people were cast into hell until jesus was crucified
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594073
Why? It's profesized in the Old Testament. God closed the gates of Heaven after Adam and Eve commited sin and would not allow any souls into Heaven until his son died for our sins.
Are there any other Catholics that can chime in on this??
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594073
Why? It's profesized in the Old Testament. God closed the gates of Heaven after Adam and Eve commited sin and would not allow any souls into Heaven until his son died for our sins.
Double take....closed the gates to heaven???? who was going in before Adam and Eve??? Jus' sayin'.
 

darknes

Active Member
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2594101
No disrespect, but I'm not even going to check the link. Just sounds way too whacky to me.
The link, or the explanation? If you dont trust the link I can copy-paste.

632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.477 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.478
633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.479 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":480 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."481 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.482
634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."483 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.
635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."484 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."485 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."486
 
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alexmir

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Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2594073
Why? It's profesized in the Old Testament. God closed the gates of Heaven after Adam and Eve commited sin and would not allow any souls into Heaven until his son died for our sins.
I agree, this doesnt make any sense. No one knew that God was going to die for their sins until very soon before he actually did it. Their sins were forgiven by sacrificing animals. Then God died and gave the ultimate sacrifice, so we would no longer have to give a blood sacrifice.
I have NEVER heard that all people that lived before god was crucified went to hell. God came to the earth around 2000 yrs ago.
 
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kikithemermaid

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Of course they do. My twin baby cousins are up there.
 

sepulatian

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Don't just quote what works for your argument. Here is the earlier part:
ARTICLE 4
"JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND WAS BURIED"
Paragraph 3. Jesus Christ was Buried
624 "By the grace of God" Jesus tasted death "for every one".459 In his plan of salvation, God ordained that his Son should not only "die for our sins"460 but should also "taste death", experience the condition of death, the separation of his soul from his body, between the time he expired on the cross and the time he was raised from the dead. The state of the dead Christ is the mystery of the tomb and the descent into hell. It is the mystery of Holy Saturday, when Christ, lying in the tomb,461 reveals God's great sabbath rest462 after the fulfillment463 of man's salvation, which brings peace to the whole universe.464
Christ in the tomb in his body
625 Christ's stay in the tomb constitutes the real link between his passible state before Easter and his glorious and risen state today. The same person of the "Living One" can say, "I died, and behold I am alive for evermore":465
God [the Son] did not impede death from separating his soul from his body according to the necessary order of nature, but has reunited them to one another in the Resurrection, so that he himself might be, in his person, the meeting point for death and life, by arresting in himself the decomposition of nature produced by death and so becoming the source of reunion for the separated parts.466
626 Since the "Author of life" who was killed467 is the same "living one [who has] risen",468 the divine person of the Son of God necessarily continued to possess his human soul and body, separated from each other by death:
By the fact that at Christ's death his soul was separated from his flesh, his one person is not itself divided into two persons; for the human body and soul of Christ have existed in the same way from the beginning of his earthly existence, in the divine person of the Word; and in death, although separated from each other, both remained with one and the same person of the Word.469
"You will not let your Holy One see corruption"
627 Christ's death was a real death in that it put an end to his earthly human existence. But because of the union which the person of the Son retained with his body, his was not a mortal corpse like others, for "it was not possible for death to hold him" 470 NT and therefore "divine power preserved Christ's body from corruption." Both of these statements can be said of Christ: "He was cut off out of the land of the living",471 and "My flesh will dwell in hope. For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor let your Holy One see corruption."472 Jesus' resurrection "on the third day" was the sign of this, also because bodily decay was held to begin on the fourth day after death.473
"Buried with Christ. . ."
628 Baptism, the original and full sign of which is immersion, efficaciously signifies the descent into the tomb by the Christian who dies to sin with Christ in order to live a new life. "We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."474
IN BRIEF
629 To the benefit of every man, Jesus Christ tasted death (cf. Heb 2:9). It is truly the Son of God made man who died and was buried.
630 During Christ's period in the tomb, his divine person continued to assume both his soul and his body, although they were separated from each other by death. For this reason the dead Christ's body "saw no corruption" (Acts 13:37).
 
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