Do You Believe In Creation

darknes

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
When I asked Jesus into my heart a change occured in my life that I cannot begin to convey with words. Jesus lives in me. I believe this with all that I am. Definitely not pride, Christ gets all the glory for the work in my life. All is vanity, to quote King Solomon. I take the bible very literally except when the text obviously speaks metaphorically or to describe something that the author is not familiar with which occurs in much of Revelations. Christ makes Himself very clear and by meditating in the Word and asking for understanding He makes His orders (for lack of a better term) known.
Translations vary due to the fact that context is a major factor in Hebrew and Greek (very little of the Bible was written in Aramaic) and there are many english variation of individual words. The overall message remains the same. My wife prefers the New Century version because it is easier to understand than my King James. We also read from New King James and when they don't agree I have a Hebrew, Greek and English interlinear Bible for referencing the exact Hebrew or Greek and it's possible English translation. Journeyman would be better suited for this part of the question than I. I try to grow in my faith by learning something new every day.
Again, this is what I believe and I don't feel that people with other opinions and faith are inferior. I do, however, feel that without sharing what Christ has done in my life I am doing them a great injustice and falling short of my duty to help my fellow man. I truly am concerned about a person's soul being condemned to a place meant for Lucifer. I know that I can't convert every person to believe what I do. I simply state that Christ helped me and can help them,too. Sometimes I really get under peoples skin, but if that leads them to read about Jesus for themselves and draw their own conclusion then I feel it's worth it to rub a few people the wrong way.

You seem pretty close to Jesus. I have a question, and don't take it as a jab at your religion or your faith; I've always been wondering. If you claim to be so close to Jesus, how do you justify not believing in the "One Church" that Jesus' closest apostles started, and is mentioned so many times in the bible? How do you not follow the church under the successors of Peter, whom Jesus specifically designated as the first leader in Matthew 16? How do you justify a church that disagreed and broke from the church Jesus started, yet still believe you are doing what Jesus wants?
Again, I'm not being critical, I've just wondered how christians justify this.
 

lil' tanker

Member
Originally Posted by AGENT-X
If you said you were going to feed me and my family to lions. I'd laugh at you. even to your face i'd laugh at you. Mainly because where the hell are you going to get a pack of lions? How was I whining about anything. I was proving a point. Which you further went onto prove for me by saying "5 or so Muslim guys" what I think you meant to say was terrorists. Thanks for helping my cause.
excuse me but you haven't always been so careful with your words either sir.
 

darknes

Active Member
Originally Posted by lil' tanker
OK wah I called you like Hitler. I'm Sorry. I didn't see the sarcasm in you saying that you wished you'd feed us to lions. What if I said that I was gonna feed you and your family and many of your friends to a lion would you be happy? Christian persecution is a serious thing whether you acknowledge it or even know about it. Christians are getting killed all over the world for what they believe. In fact I heard a story of a church in some middle eastern country that was in the middle of worship then 5 or so Muslim guys walk in the back with AK's and kill them all so please don't blame me for getting a little upset about it. And then please for your own good don't whine about it in posts like the one above it's making you look childish.
Enough, it was obviously a sarcastic comment. First thing I thought when I read it was "at least he's familiar with history" instead of getting upset.
 

mike22cha

Active Member
Originally Posted by AGENT-X
We weren't talking about Africa now were we.
You were talking about third world countries and I'm pretty sure most African countries can be labeled third world countries.
 

lil' tanker

Member
and also you can be a terrorist but not muslim. These guys weren't terrorists they disagreed with the Christians so they killed them.
 

lil' tanker

Member
Originally Posted by Darknes
Enough, it was obviously a sarcastic comment. First thing I thought when I read it was "at least he's familiar with history" instead of getting upset.
excuse me for taking a threat seriously. If you said bomb in an airport you would be searched like crazy and probably worse.
 

agent-x

Member
Originally Posted by lil' tanker
excuse me but you haven't always been so careful with your words either sir.
And i don't deny that at all. But I haven't been the one on a pedestal saying that I'm a christian and then contradicting myself with almost every post. It seems to be the ones like you that give the rest of them a bad name. if you're going to live it then live it. Don't let someone like me ruffle your feathers and get you to stray from the "teachings" that easily. You're in for a very rude awakening if that's the case.
 

lil' tanker

Member
Originally Posted by AGENT-X
And i don't deny that at all. But I haven't been the one on a pedestal saying that I'm a christian and then contradicting myself with almost every post. It seems to be the ones like you that give the rest of them a bad name. if you're going to live it then live it. Don't let someone like me ruffle your feathers and get you to stray from the "teachings" that easily. You're in for a very rude awakening if that's the case.
If you walked up to Jesus and said that you were going to feed him to lions then He might have not gone off I admit that and I'm sorry but that still doesn't make it right.
 

agent-x

Member

Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
You were talking about third world countries and I'm pretty sure most African countries can be labeled third world countries.
No actually I responded to this quote of yours;
"The oil producing nations of the middle east
have a great deal of wealth and power. Id hardly consider them to be third world countries when you consider their standard of living".
So, again, we weren't talking about Africa. If you're going to debate me at least keep in mind what you've said.
 

mike22cha

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
ok ok everyone just drop it please and by no means are (our)lol christians perfect
No one is perfect except God Himself. If you don't believe in Him then nothing in this universe can be perfect.
 

ophiura

Active Member
WOw wowowowow Wow Wow.
Apart from the EXCEEDINGLY off base poll at the top of this to "start it off on the right foot" I can't believe that this thread is even WORSE than the evolution one...even if clearly a pretty baseless shot to begin with. I'm sorry, but it is true. I have no idea what the point is whatsoever to this thread other than a...geez, I don't know...other than something inflammatory.
That thread was an attempt at an open discussion, and I can't even see what the heck this thread is doing here.
It is off to a really bad start, and it will not be lasting much longer at this rate. I'm not sure what the topic is supposed to be or I would say "get it back on topic."
Once again, as mentioned before, this board is also NOT a forum for proselytizing, so while I am more than happy for everyone to share their belief and experiences with God, it will NOT be done so in any sort of way that demeans other religions or faiths. In addition, this board has a VERY low tolerance, when seen, of random comparisons to Hitler or Nazi's.
So get it back on whatever track it was intended to be on.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by lil' tanker
I agree and I'm sorry for being a little more upset than I should have been and not handling it correctly.
being 14 you handled it just fine
 

agent-x

Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
ok ok everyone just drop it please and by no means are (our)lol christians perfect
I agree and if you look back at my post I've never expected them to be. I'm just tired of the hypocracy that comes from the ones that seem to like to tell others how to lead their lives. I have absolutely no problem with the ones who are educated, and follow that lifestyle without having to tell anyone else how to live. Those are the ones that make a difference. they will teach when someone is willing to learn they do not try to force feed it.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
WOw wowowowow Wow Wow.
Apart from the EXCEEDINGLY off base poll at the top of this to "start it off on the right foot" I can't believe that this thread is even WORSE than the evolution one...even if clearly a pretty baseless shot to begin with. I'm sorry, but it is true. I have no idea what the point is whatsoever to this thread other than a...geez, I don't know...other than something inflammatory.
That thread was an attempt at an open discussion, and I can't even see what the heck this thread is doing here.
It is off to a really bad start, and it will not be lasting much longer at this rate. I'm not sure what the topic is supposed to be or I would say "get it back on topic."
Once again, as mentioned before, this board is also NOT a forum for proselytizing, so while I am more than happy for everyone to share their belief and experiences with God, it will NOT be done so in any sort of way that demeans other religions or faiths. In addition, this board has a VERY low tolerance, when seen, of random comparisons to Hitler or Nazi's.
So get it back on whatever track it was intended to be on.

i wanted to change the poll but i couldnt edit it , it was to late, infact feel free to delet this thread i rather have one titled how do you think we came to exsist
 

mike22cha

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
being 14 you handled it just fine
I think most people would be upset by the things said on here.
 

mike22cha

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
i wanted to change the poll but i couldnt edit it , it was to late
Just curious what would the poll say if you could have changed it?
 

agent-x

Member
Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
No one is perfect except God Himself. If you don't believe in Him then nothing in this universe can be perfect.
See you could have left that last sentence off. We all know the first to be true. But then you have to throw that little "If you don't believe you suck" type comment in. People who don't believe the same as you or any other religion can get through life without it apparently. If they need it they will find it (religion that is). I have news for you. Even if you believe in a god any god, the Universe will never be perfect.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Just curious what would the poll say if you could have changed it?
it was very one sided now that i think about it it wasnt right.
 
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