During the cycling process, when my ammonia eventually spikes, what is the best way to handle it?

travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387340/during-the-cycling-process-when-my-ammonia-eventually-spikes-what-is-the-best-way-to-handle-it/40#post_3412348
SIGH......MY LMB was one of the first fish I added....I HAD NO CLUE that they needed established tanks....BUT soon had an algae issue so he was very happy...MY TANK is a 225G BTW
ANYWAY....I cured the algae issue....and a couple of weeks ago my LMB died.....NOW..MY LMB DID eat algae sheets and frozen food, BUT he slowly got skinnier....I think they really need an abundance of algae to keep them nice and fat...
IMO your tank is too new for this fish.....
yes but she impulse bought- broke one of the most important rules of being a SWF hobbyist... I wish you luck with the fish, tirttza.
 

tirtza

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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/387340/during-the-cycling-process-when-my-ammonia-eventually-spikes-what-is-the-best-way-to-handle-it/40#post_3412338
I had 3 lawnmower blennies and they all died... but don't let that down you! I think he'll be good in your tank. now NO MORE fish for AT LEAST 1 week!!! I'm glad that you are getting rid of your gha in a different way then dumping out your sand and chlorinating your lr!
I give you my word...no more fish for at least one week (I might even wait a little longer just to be on the safe side). I think getting rid of my long hair algae by dumping out my sand and bleaching my rock would have been a big mistake in this situation. I went back and forth and read numerous discussion threads on this forum about which creature would be better for getting rid of long hair algae. I was stuck between an emerald crab and an LMB. I finally decided on the LMB, I really hope it works out.
How long did you have your 3 lawnmower blennies before they died? I read LMB's were territorial with regards to other LMBs, did you experience that? Did you not have enough algae or was there some other problem? Did you have any luck feeding them mysis shrimp or algae sheets? Most importantly......Do you think I should remove the Mexican Turbo Snail, so that he doesn't consume all of J.D.'s algae supply?
Sorry to hear about your loss Meowzer :( Did you ever see your LMB eating the mysis shrimp or from the algae sheets?? I read that some LMB's are picky and refuse to eat what isn't naturally attached to a rock and that it's kind of a hit or miss sort of situation. What's your opinion on the Mexican Turbo Snail....keep it or take back to the LFS so that J.D. has plenty to eat?
 

kiefers

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If I was you I would let the blenny eat as much as he can. Once the HA is cleared clip in or put some Alg. strips under a rock or on top with something holding it down, he will eat it but not really the same thing. Did you or do you by chance have a QT getting set up to??
 

tirtza

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No, I haven't set up a Qt yet, I really know next to nothing on them and really need to do some research on the subject. I have many questions such as...does it have to run all of the time, cost, supplies, ect...
This Sunday my tank will have been set up for exactly one month. I had the 2 damsels in there for a couple of weeks and then took them out. Now I have a Lawn Mower Blenny and a Mexican Turbo Snail. The live rock is growing purple coralline algae in different spots, and the zoa button pollyps look healthy.
I check my water parameters each day (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, and salinity). I never saw a spike of any kind in the ammonia or nitrites. The only thing that ever changed was the salinity. One day this week it went from 1.025 to 1.026 (I suppose because of evaporation). I added a few cups of RO water and the salinity went back to 1.025.
Now that it's been a month, what tank maintenance should I do? (keep in mind it's a 29 gallon Oceanic Biocube and the only change I made to the filter was adding a piece of filter carbon that I cut out and fit over the overflow tray covering the bioballs.
I see brownish spots on the glass, should I wipe those off with an algae- remover sponge? Should I rinse the stock carbon filter (in chamber #1) in RO or tank water? Should I do anything to clean the bioballs in the second chamber? Should I clean the sponge in the 3rd chamber in RO water or tank water? Should I do any water changes?
Thanks for your help and expertise!!
 

kiefers

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You set up the QT the same way you did your Biocube minus the substrate. Use a small tank, 10-20 gallons, filter system, heater, and some PVC or saltwater safe deco.
As far as your Biocube, yes, change out your filter media regularlyor once you see it dirty with foods or gunk. Typically I change mine every three to four days so I don't have to worry about the bioballs to much.
clean your glass and start with your water changes in a couple of weeks. 10-20%
 

travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by tirtza http:///t/387340/during-the-cycling-process-when-my-ammonia-eventually-spikes-what-is-the-best-way-to-handle-it/60#post_3412460
I give you my word...no more fish for at least one week (I might even wait a little longer just to be on the safe side).
good... I would wait even more than one week.
I think getting rid of my long hair algae by dumping out my sand and bleaching my rock would have been a big mistake in this situation. I went back and forth and read numerous discussion threads on this forum about which creature would be better for getting rid of long hair algae. I was stuck between an emerald crab and an LMB. I finally decided on the LMB, I really hope it works out.
How long did you have your 3 lawnmower blennies before they died?
1 week to 2 months.
I read LMB's were territorial with regards to other LMBs, did you experience that?
I only kept one at a time.. because one died I tried another and so on... 3 times.
Did you not have enough algae or was there some other problem? Did you have any luck feeding them mysis shrimp or algae sheets?
2 out of the 3 accepted foods other than algae growing on the rocks.
Most importantly......Do you think I should remove the Mexican Turbo Snail, so that he doesn't consume all of J.D.'s algae supply?
In my opinion, I don't think you should because even without the turbo the LMB would run out of food anyways... it's better to "train" the LMB to accept other foods as soon as possible.
Sorry to hear about your loss Meowzer :( Did you ever see your LMB eating the mysis shrimp or from the algae sheets?? I read that some LMB's are picky and refuse to eat what isn't naturally attached to a rock and that it's kind of a hit or miss sort of situation. What's your opinion on the Mexican Turbo Snail....keep it or take back to the LFS so that J.D. has plenty to eat?
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Originally Posted by tirtza
http:///t/387340/during-the-cycling-process-when-my-ammonia-eventually-spikes-what-is-the-best-way-to-handle-it/60#post_3412975
No, I haven't set up a Qt yet, I really know next to nothing on them and really need to do some research on the subject. I have many questions such as...does it have to run all of the time, cost, supplies, ect...
This Sunday my tank will have been set up for exactly one month. I had the 2 damsels in there for a couple of weeks and then took them out. Now I have a Lawn Mower Blenny and a Mexican Turbo Snail. The live rock is growing purple coralline algae in different spots, and the zoa button pollyps look healthy.
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I check my water parameters each day (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, and salinity). I never saw a spike of any kind in the ammonia or nitrites. The only thing that ever changed was the salinity. One day this week it went from 1.025 to 1.026 (I suppose because of evaporation). I added a few cups of RO water and the salinity went back to 1.025.
Now that it's been a month, what tank maintenance should I do? (keep in mind it's a 29 gallon Oceanic Biocube and the only change I made to the filter was adding a piece of filter carbon that I cut out and fit over the overflow tray covering the bioballs.
water changes... 10-15 %
I see brownish spots on the glass, should I wipe those off with an algae- remover sponge?
Personal preference... I personally like the more natural look, but some like the more sterile look so they wipe it off... now if it is on the front of the tank or obscuring the view of the tank then yes definitely.
Should I rinse the stock carbon filter (in chamber #1) in RO or tank water? Should I do anything to clean the bioballs in the second chamber?
with the bioballs, you want to rinse 20 percent of them each water change with RO water that has salt mixed in it... take 20% from the 2nd chamber and dip them into the sw ro water... don't scrub or anything. If it still seems really dirty, do it a second time...
Should I clean the sponge in the 3rd chamber in RO water or tank water?
Should I do any water changes? 10-15%.... weekly to bi weekly imo
Thanks for your help and expertise!!
 

tirtza

Member
Okay, it's been slightly over a week and the LMB is still doing well he's always munching on algae from the rock, sand, or back wall of the aquarium (I just don't want him to run out of food!). I think I'm going to try training him to eat from an algae sheet that's been attached to a rock with a rubber band or anchored down with a couple of smaller rocks. SWF sells a product called 'Two Little Fishies Green Seaweed'.
Do you think using an algae sheet is a good idea??
I added three 1.5 inch Scarlett Hermit Crabs two days ago (Saturday), and their activity level is far from what I expected. They literally do not move from the place their place on the sand. I know they are alive, because if I look closely they are partially out of their shell occasionally picking up bits of sand and waving their little eyes/legs (or what ever they are called) around. My Lawn Mower Blenny was briefly sitting on top of one of them last night...when that happend the crab came out of it's shell a little bit more but that was all. I even nudged all 3 of them a tiny bit last night and each one immediately crawled completely back into it's shell.
Is this normal behavior for Scarlett Hermit Crabs? Aren't they supposed to move around more?
My water parameters are great, they've consistently been the same:
Salinity = 1.025
pH= 8.1
Ammonia = 0
Nitrites = 0
Nitrates = 0
Temp. = Between 77 - 77.6
Lights have been on 5 - 6 hrs per day
Keifers - How often do you clean the sponge in the third chamber of the Biocube? Does does the sponge need to be changed out with a new one, if so how often?
 

tirtza

Member
Never mind about the inactive Scarlett Hermit Crabs....they are now moving! ..... at least 2 of the 3 are. Crab A has crawled on crab B's back, and crab B looks like he's trying to get away and is nearly crawling out of his shell. lol
 

kiefers

Active Member
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Originally Posted by tirtza http:///t/387340/during-the-cycling-process-when-my-ammonia-eventually-spikes-what-is-the-best-way-to-handle-it/60#post_3413466
Okay, it's been slightly over a week and the LMB is still doing well he's always munching on algae from the rock, sand, or back wall of the aquarium (I just don't want him to run out of food!). I think I'm going to try training him to eat from an algae sheet that's been attached to a rock with a rubber band or anchored down with a couple of smaller rocks. SWF sells a product called 'Two Little Fishies Green Seaweed'.
Do you think using an algae sheet is a good idea??
I added three 1.5 inch Scarlett Hermit Crabs two days ago (Saturday), and their activity level is far from what I expected. They literally do not move from the place their place on the sand. I know they are alive, because if I look closely they are partially out of their shell occasionally picking up bits of sand and waving their little eyes/legs (or what ever they are called) around. My Lawn Mower Blenny was briefly sitting on top of one of them last night...when that happend the crab came out of it's shell a little bit more but that was all. I even nudged all 3 of them a tiny bit last night and each one immediately crawled completely back into it's shell.
Is this normal behavior for Scarlett Hermit Crabs? Aren't they supposed to move around more?
My water parameters are great, they've consistently been the same:
Salinity = 1.025
pH= 8.1
Ammonia = 0
Nitrites = 0
Nitrates = 0
Temp. = Between 77 - 77.6
Lights have been on 5 - 6 hrs per day
Keifers - How often do you clean the sponge in the third chamber of the Biocube? Does does the sponge need to be changed out with a new one, if so how often?
Sponge?? Oh yes... well... I took mine out. It really doesn't serve any purpose IMO. For some tiime I had my pump sitting on it to quiet it down. The filter media on top of your second chamber should be changed out when it looks nasty, pending on how much you feed.
 

beaslbob

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Perhaps already mentioned but the best way to prevent ammonia spikes during cycle or any other time for that matter is to start the tank with lotsa macro algae.
Macro algae will consume ammonia directly preventing the ammonia spikes.
(sure us a refugium but you get the idea).
my .02
 

snakeblitz33

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A pre-grown algae scrubber would also prevent an ammonia spike too... Any mass amount of algae would. Thanks for the input Bob. As always, it's nice to hear from you! E-mail me sometime.
 

kiefers

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ammonia spike? I was made to understand that it would consume nitrates and phos's but not ammonia. Hmmmm
 

beaslbob

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/387340/during-the-cycling-process-when-my-ammonia-eventually-spikes-what-is-the-best-way-to-handle-it/60#post_3413871
ammonia spike? I was made to understand that it would consume nitrates and phos's but not ammonia. Hmmmm
that's what they tell ya and that is true from mature tanks where the aerobic bacteria is reducing the ammonia.
But plant life that gets its nitrogen from nitrates (most but not all do some use nitrogen gas like cyano) will also use ammonia directly. In fact it prefers ammonia over nitrates. So if some ammonia is not being reduced by the bacteria, the plant life will consume it.
In fact the nitrogen cycle with no bacteria and plenty of plant life will be at most an initial nitrate spike. That drops down in a few weeks when the aerobic bacteria has built up.
my .02
 
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