Edwards funeral protest

spanko

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest#post_3336796
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest#post_3336787
This is a church protesting??????
Ah yes, organized religion, tolerance for all that I believe but if you don't then it is the Inquisition or the Crusades.
Organized religion, something to believe in when you don't believe in yourself. BAH!



These people are not religious, they are gay bashers..Using religion to further their hate. Religion is a tool to help people search for God or to do good to fellow human beings and better oneself. These people don’t do any of that. .They give organized religion a black eye.


When Sodom and oamorrah were punished by God, it was forbidden to look at their destruction. Lest one rejoice at the destruction of sinners. For God takes no pleasure in their destruction but that they should repent and be forgiven.

It is a sin to be a physically active gay person, just as it is to be a gossip, a liar or a drunk. None of which is an unforgivable sin./span>


So these funeral protesters fall into the category of those who want to remove the mote from others eyes but can’t see the beam that blocks their own vision.
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Originally Posted by BrandonSivek http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest#post_3336798
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest#post_3336787
This is a church protesting??????
Ah yes, organized religion, tolerance for all that I believe but if you don't then it is the Inquisition or the Crusades.
Organized religion, something to believe in when you don't believe in yourself. BAH!
Now I am not going to get into a religious debate on a Satwater Forum, their are other forums out there for that and a reason I am not a member of any of them. Saying that organized religion is for those that do not believe in themselves is udder nonsense. I am Baptists and have made many lifelong friends thru my church. Together we have helped rebuild houses after hurricanes for those in need, had food drives, all sorts of things to benefit the community, and we all share our love for Christ which bonds us. It sounds like to me that you had a bad experience once, but to say that ALL organized religions are for people that dont believe in themselves is absurd. Honestly, your statement doesnt even make sense to me. Can you please explain and I will be more than happy to reply. I am all for free speech and I wouldnt have minded if you just said that "I dont believe in organized religion". That is fine, but when you start saying things like the comment about not believing in yourself, thats when you start stepping on peoples toes. I have friends that are Agnostic and Atheist, but we are all in agreement, even though we dont share the same viewpoints in each others beliefs, we never talk down to each other about them. Just saying.
Flower, what happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"?
Brandon the Catholic religion believes that unless you are Catholic you cannot go to heaven. The Muslims believe you must be Muslim and if not you are an infidel that must perish.p>
Why can't people just be good people and reap these afterlife "rewards" you all expound on?
 
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darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest/20#post_3336825
Flower, what happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"?
This is the most misused statement from the bible in Current time. This statement is not telling you, you shouldn't judge. This statement is telling you if you do judge, be prepared to be judged in return. Basically saying, you better not have any skeletons in your closet. I really wish people would learn to read and study.
Darth (The Judge) Tang
 
tangman99

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As far as the protesters, if this was farther back in time it would have been settled with a headshot from a CIA covert and the investigation closed after a short amount of time. Not saying that is a good thing but some things just need a quick resolution.
As far as religion, I've was baptized Catholic, raised around a bunch of Southern Baptists (biting lips as I type) and after working with people from all over the world from all different religions, I have come to the conclusion that the Golden rule pretty much overlaps them all. If you treat others as you want to be treated and just be a good person overall, you meet the basic requirements for anyone of them. When you get to the details that all religions believe in that start to conflict, you have to be logical and realize that they can't all be right but yet each believes to the point of dying for what their religion states. Believing that your religion is absolute because you happened to be born of parents that believed and raised in that environment does not make it so.
 
mrdc

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I mean I am not one that wants a law for everything and I am all for free speech but I wish there was a law that could stop these sort of protesters. I doubt this will ever happen but I just would like to see a person laid to rest in peace.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by mrdc http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest/20#post_3336842
I mean I am not one that wants a law for everything and I am all for free speech but I wish there was a law that could stop these sort of protesters. I doubt this will ever happen but I just would like to see a person laid to rest in peace.

There is already a law against hate crimes. It isn't being enforced because some numb brain thinks these peoples harassment falls under free speech. They can print on paper or shout to the open air about their thoughts and beliefs...when they go to funeral and harass the family burying there dead, they are targeting a person for their choice on how they ran/run their lives ...that is a hate crime.

What do you think would happen if a bunch of Nazis went and protested the funeral for a Jew, shouting that they are going to hell for being Jewish? That is a hate crime. They can publically march down the street of Skokie in Illinois, a Jewish community, as a stand on free speech but they can’t do that. These idiots should not be allowed to pester the families at a funeral.
 
spanko

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest/20#post_3336829
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest/20#post_3336825
Flower, what happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"?
This is the most misused statement from the bible in Current time. This statement is not telling you, you shouldn't judge. This statement is telling you if you do judge, be prepared to be judged in return. Basically saying, you better not have any skeletons in your closet. I really wish people would learn to read and study.
Darth (The Judge) Tang
I am not sure I get your point. Are you saying that St. Flower has no "skeletons" in her closet? If so I stand corrected.
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Originally Posted by TangMan99 http:///forum/thread/382380/edwards-funeral-protest/20#post_3336839
As far as the protesters, if this was farther back in time it would have been settled with a headshot from a CIA covert and the investigation closed after a short amount of time. Not saying that is a good thing but some things just need a quick resolution.
As far as religion, I've was baptized Catholic, raised around a bunch of Southern Baptists (biting lips as I type) and after working with people from all over the world from all different religions, I have come to the conclusion that the Golden rule pretty much overlaps them all. If you treat others as you want to be treated and just be a good person overall, you meet the basic requirements for anyone of them. When you get to the details that all religions believe in that start to conflict, you have to be logical and realize that they can't all be right but yet each believes to the point of dying for what their religion states. Believing that your religion is absolute because you happened to be born of parents that believed and raised in that environment does not make it so.
Agree with these statements.
 
flower

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An actual morsel to debate: Don’t Judge lest you be judged.

First, I agree… it is indeed misused. However I see it this way. The same severity that you judge with, God shall judge you. So the merciful obtain mercy.

Second LOL..I wasn’t judging the marked in red people by Spanko. To be actively participating in gay activity is called by the writers of the “new testament” unnatural affection…a lurid act. Hence the reason these crazies think they have a duty to bother the grieving at the grave site.

Gossip is also a listed sin infraction, that by the way is mentioned in the same paragraph with the lurid act of unnatural affection, and the reason I mentioned it. You will find it in the letter to the Romans 1:29-32 Even being disobedient to your parents is listed in that same group of sins…I wonder if these protesters think they should go declare the young children’s eternal death to the parents at the grave site?

At any rate I mentioned it to show how wrong they are, even by the Bible standards they claim to adhere to. Why should I or anyone for that matter, care if you are gay, that is between your beloved and God. I suffer more damage by a gossip or disobeiant child than by any gay person.
 
spanko

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well I really care not your religious affiliations andor beliefs. That is your right and I will not condemn anyone for it.
The premise about the bible takes for granted that you believe the bible is the writings of men with divine enlightenment guiding them. I believe it is written by men of their own accord and therefore is mans words and open to all interpretations thereof.
I think your suffering is again yours and should not be driven by worrying about what others are doing in their own gay way. But when it infringes on others then there is cause for concern, just as these protesters are doing. I do not believe that the laws of man - read the government here - telling us what is a hate crime or not is any business of theirs either. In my morals they are bad. If I were there I would confront them. I believe the family and friends of the deceased should be doing so also.
There are many things done in the name of "Religion" both good and bad. On the other hand I don't believe we need any religion to tell us what they should be. We all know how we wish to be treated and should take a lesson and treat others that way period. I commend the religious groups for the good they do and also commend other non-religious groups and just plain people for the good they do on their own.
I stand by my statement that organized religions are for people that do not have the belief in themselves to be good people and are looking for some afterlife reward for feeling good about themselves. Man has always looked for some otherworldly deity to transfer the forgiveness of their shortcomings to and to look for a better afterlife.
As so it goes and will not be changed by my musings. But that is okay with me. I continue down my path and try to remember what it is I would want in any situation and to do my best to remember that others want the same consideration.
 
bang guy

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Please, come protest my father's interment at Arlington this spring. I'm absolutely positive I will need some kind of release after the ceremony.
 
bang guy

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* Resuming our regulary scheduled programming *
I haven't punched anyone in the nose for over 20 years. I can't wait.
 
flower

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The problem is that if any family member were to get a belly full of these creeps and lay into them...they would go to jail for hitting them. That isn't right, but it is the reality.
If it were a free for all to do what you or anyone else feels is right...what a scary would it would be indeed.
 
bang guy

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That's why I would levy a $2.00 fine for punching them in the nose.
I will attempt to ask the members here for a refundable donation when I get arrested for getting a bit of blood on my knuckles.
 
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