Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/600#post_3494360
You have a flaw with a premise, not with an equation. While there is not an infinite number of species on earth, you got that right, there is the potential for an infinite number of permutations because the DNA chain is indeterminant.
In addition, most permutations are unrealized, you need to subtract these from the indefinate sum
There is the potential for an infinite number of permutations, but that potential can never and will never be realized. I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. Why should we stop at crocoducks? Why not croco-croco-ducks (after all this idea states that EVERY two species has an intermediate). Why not croco-croco-croco-ducks? And so on and so forth. That's the view that some people have about evolution. Every species does share a common ancestor, but not in this manner. The big mistake is thinking of organisms in an absolute unvarying way. There is nothing rigid about a species, that's just a trick our minds play. I'll explain that in a later post when I have time. There's a really good Plato analogy here (somewhat mathematical as well).
The point is that a lot of creationists deny evolution because they simply don't understand it. Not only is this morphed view of evolution difficult to believe, but it is possible to prove false.
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Someone needs to get some...
Yeah, no kidding. I go to an all guy's college. I'm 19 and it's been 3 months. 3 months for a 19 year old is like 12 years for an adult.
 
littledynam1te

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For all f you that believe in evolution and the big bang I offer up this ? How can u believe that because the world we live in if the axis til one degree either way we all float off the earth or are crushed the one mile closeto the sun we burn one mile away we freeze. The perfect balance of chemicals in our world and body
Believing in the big bang is like finding a watch on the ground and assuming a factory blew up and made it... No u always think hey a watch maker made this.
 
littledynam1te

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Also I belive if evolution and the big bang had to be tought in schools than so should Christian creation believes
If anyone cares I'm bapsist
GOD bless america
America was founded upon Christian believes and up to a a yr that honestly I can't remeber the ten commandments where in every courtroom in the country
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by LITTLEDYNAM1TE http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/620#post_3495653
Also I belive if evolution and the big bang had to be tought in schools than so should Christian creation believes
If anyone cares I'm bapsist
GOD bless america
America was founded upon Christian believes and up to a a yr that honestly I can't remeber the ten commandments where in every courtroom in the country
Someone likes posting comments with a cell phone.
 
littledynam1te

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I was looking through pg.30 I support chick fil a. 110% a man stood by his believes the believe that gay marriage should not be legal and that it's a sin
I support him and the idea against gay marriages
 
littledynam1te

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The reason jesus didnt have a wife or get married because he was perfect and innocenant forgive my spelling And sex and marriage can cause lustful thoughts which is a sin
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by LITTLEDYNAM1TE http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/620#post_3495652
For all f you that believe in evolution and the big bang I offer up this ? How can u believe that because the world we live in if the axis til one degree either way we all float off the earth or are crushed the one mile closeto the sun we burn one mile away we freeze. The perfect balance of chemicals in our world and body
Believing in the big bang is like finding a watch on the ground and assuming a factory blew up and made it... No u always think hey a watch maker made this.
Can you make a perfect triangle? No. There is always error. A triangle is not something that is tangible or achievable to create. It is a concept. It can exist only in the mind and not in the physical reality. This is what Plato said (essentially). So what do you actually have when you draw a triangle? The triangle you draw is not perfect, but can be thought of as the shadow of a triangle- the physical manifestation of a concept. Now, you can argue that this premise is flawed. You would be wrong, but it doesn't matter because this is an analogy. So when we see triangle drawn on piece of paper, our mind recognizes what it is supposed to be. You can stretch this idea.

In none of these photos is there a triangle (or even the "shadow" of a triangle), yet our brains fill in the missing pieces and recognize a shape where there is none. Now imagine what it would be like if we couldn't recognize shapes unless they were perfect. That would obviously be problematic. Think of it this way (in order to see the analogy), there is the image of an ideal triangle floating in our heads even though none actually exist. We just take visual data from the world around us and compare it to this ideal triangle.
Let's take this and relate it to animals. I like ducks. So think of what a duck looks like. If you were to see a duck in real life, would it look exactly like that? Of course not. The colors may be different, the beak may be smaller the feet might might be larger, etc. But if that ideal duck didn't exist in your mind, then how could you identify a duck if it was right in front of you? You couldn't. So the duck in your mind is the design and what you see is the flawed animal (or individualistic-because I am not saying that God creates flawed versions of animals). But in reality there exists no ideal duck. There is no design for the duck that all ducks are based on. Instead, each duck is a variant of its parents. And you can trace this back until you reach an animal that looks nothing like a duck at all.
You cannot claim that evolution is false just because you find it incredulous. That is a personal incredulity logical fallacy.
Premise:
Humans are perfectly suited to live on Earth BECAUSE the Earth was created for humans.
Alternative:
Humans are perfectly suited to live on Earth BECAUSE humans have evolved from previous species to be perfectly adapted to live on Earth.
Premise:
If the world had a different size, shape, location, rotation, etc...then life would not exist on it.
Alternative:
If the world had a different size, shape, location, rotation etc....then life that currently lives on it would not exist.
Aside from personal incredulity, what reason to we have to doubt these things?
 
littledynam1te

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Ok well let me put it like this I believe because of my faith
U kicked your self if evolution is real where it all starts as identical micro oraganziums and what not than the duck wod be the same as every other duck just how an ameba is the same as the one fro where it came
Sorry for the horrible spelling
 
pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by LITTLEDYNAM1TE http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/620#post_3495683
Ok well let me put it like this I believe because of my faith
U kicked your self if evolution is real where it all starts as identical micro oraganziums and what not than the duck wod be the same as every other duck just how an ameba is the same as the one fro where it came
Sorry for the horrible spelling
Not to be rude, but could you elaborate? I honestly have no idea how this defies anything I just said. Evolution does not identify the source of life.
 
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