Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

pezenfuego

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I watched a NOVA today about neurology. There was one patient who had temporal epilepsy. Following an attack he would have strong spiritual and philosophical feelings. The doctor described patients with this condition as having feelings of oneness with the world. The patient had episodes where he felt omnipotence and even went around claiming to be God.
The patient made the point: What if the past messiahs had this or a similar condition?
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/560#post_3493339
There are a multitude of reference to Son of God and Son of Man. To Christians, Son of Man refers to Jesus' humanity, since his mother was human. It does not, however, negate his Father, God. The connection between God and humanity is through the blood and flesh of the His Son's body which is clearly laid out in the Last Supper and finally in the Crucifixion. God would not have blood and flesh, except through his Son, Jesus. To Christians, this is the holy covenant between God and man.
Now, that is the interpretation for Christians, and, in the New Testament, it is convincing---unless you toss the New Testament and just consider the Old as the Word of God--in which case, Christianity is an invalid belief system. I have the feeling, you believe, as most Jews believe, that Jesus was not the Son of God and think that Christians have misinterpreted much?
Now I will address the rest of your post. I was not born Jewish, I converted from Christianity to fashion my life according to Judaism. That way of life, the customs and traditions best match scripture. I have followed the teaching of Moses and the faith of Israel for 15 years now. I am still a Christian but I am not a modern Christian
. The early Christians were Jews who believed that Messiah had come.
MY belief :
The man Jesus, was a very good Jew and Rabbi. He was given the keys and was made perfect by the things he suffered, not by his birth from Mary. God raised him from the dead and took him away to the heavens until he returns as the victor...and the Holy one of God, The Messiah.
The Messiah: Ephraim must be united with Judah. Ephraim (the lost sheep of the house of Isreal) was lost when the tribes were split in the days of Solomons son. The people got so messed up with pagan religion that God allowed Nebuchadnezzar to overtake them and in doing so they became so like the nations around them that they disappeared. The Messiah is to bring these people back to God and the covenant. God knows those that are his. The world was seeded with the bloodline of Isaac...and now so many centuries later.....
Jesus said if he was lifted up like the serpent in the wilderness, he would draw all men to him
. The Rabbis teach us that the serpent was designed to teach the people to look UP for our help comes from God. Jesus has also taught the nations to look again to the teachings of the book (Torah). His beginning....as a humble man who was raised from the dead....he set in motion the ingathering of Ephraim.
Just like the serpent in the wilderness, the people began to worship it as God.
The twisted (MODERN) Christianity, that teaches Jesus was a half god/half man and was God himself in the flesh, came into being when Emperor Constantine mixed Christianity with the pagan beliefs. The real Jesus taught the people to return to the traditions and the covenant. Now instead of Passover, folks celebrate the Easter bunny and feast on the forbidden food of pork. Instead of the Holy Sabbath, folks adopted the day of Sunday (it honors the sun god) as the holy day of rest. Instead of the Holy city of Jerusalem, Catholics (the head and beginning of modern Christianity) created the Holy city of Rome.
I wait for Jesus (not his true name) to return as the Messiah, just like my fellow Jews await the Messiah. Where are the lost sheep of the house of Israel? No tribe is lost, all twelve are accounted for, Jews know this. So who is Ephraim? He is the people in the nations all mixed in, but they have a hunger for seeking God...that bloodline of Isaac is in them however small the amount. God knows them that are his and he is calling us back to him.
Just like in the story of 2 Samual chapter 15....King David had a son, and he stood at the gate, when anyone came to speak with the king for a matter, Absalom would take care of their need and so he stole the heart of the people away from David his father.
So I also think that Modern Christianity, stands at the gate, they teach a Jesus that is a god, and a religion that tosses away the covenant. It isn't the right Jesus, the Jesus of the book, just does not match the Jesus of modern Christianity.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/560#post_3493347
I watched a NOVA today about neurology. There was one patient who had temporal epilepsy. Following an attack he would have strong spiritual and philosophical feelings. The doctor described patients with this condition as having feelings of oneness with the world. The patient had episodes where he felt omnipotence and even went around claiming to be God.
The patient made the point: What if the past messiahs had this or a similar condition?
Messiah Moses....had the cloud that all the people saw come and hover above the tent of meeting.
Messiah Jesus....healed the sick and could feed a multitude with a basket of fish and a few loaves of bread, and turn water into wine.
The others, well the books say there shall arise false christs....so maybe you are talking about Charles Manson and folks like him. As for me, I will select my Messiah according to who God backs up. LOL
 

bionicarm

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I guess some creationist can't take a joke...
http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2012/09/20/13990802-evolutionary-dr-pepper-ad-spurs-religious-kerfuffle?lite#__utma=14933801.1795512979.1342443245.1348155290.1348166849.174&__utmb=14933801.3.10.1348166849&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1348166849.174.46.utmcsr=msn.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned By=msnbc|us news|usnewsfranchise=1^12=Landing Content=Original=1^13=Landing Hostname=usnews.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit Type to Content=Internal to Original=1&__utmk=112957060&__utma=14933801.1795512979.1342443245.1348155290.1348166849.174&__utmb=14933801.3.10.1348166849&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1348166849.174.46.utmcsr=msn.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Cus%20news%7Cusnewsfranchise=1^12=Landing%20Content=Original=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=usnews.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Internal%20to%20Original=1&__utmk=112957060
 

darthtang aw

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I guess some creationist can't take a joke...
http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2012/09/20/13990802-evolutionary-dr-pepper-ad-spurs-religious-kerfuffle?lite#__utma=14933801.1795512979.1342443245.1348155290.1348166849.174&__utmb=14933801.3.10.1348166849&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1348166849.174.46.utmcsr=msn.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned By=msnbc|us news|usnewsfranchise=1^12=Landing Content=Original=1^13=Landing Hostname=usnews.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit Type to Content=Internal to Original=1&__utmk=112957060&__utma=14933801.1795512979.1342443245.1348155290.1348166849.174&__utmb=14933801.3.10.1348166849&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1348166849.174.46.utmcsr=msn.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Cus%20news%7Cusnewsfranchise=1^12=Landing%20Content=Original=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=usnews.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Internal%20to%20Original=1&__utmk=112957060
Apparently some athiests cant understand the history of their city or what it's name translates into English either.
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06b/story002.html
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493387
Apparently some athiests cant understand the history of their city or what it's name translates into English either.
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06b/story002.html
This is nothing new.
http://www.au.org/our-work/legal/lawsuits?page=2
Texas A&M just opened a new campus here in San Antonio, and one of the main buildings they used at the location was this bell tower from an old mission that had a large cross mounted on it. Some non-religious group tried to get them to remove it because it portrayed religious intentions on a state-funded institution. I believe they tried to take it to court but the judge dismissed it.
Not sure how this really relates to Dr. Pepper using an age-old evolutionary image to promote their product.
 

darthtang aw

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This is nothing new. 
http://www.au.org/our-work/legal/lawsuits?page=2
Texas A&M just opened a new campus here in San Antonio, and one of the main buildings they used at the location was this bell tower from an old mission that had a large cross mounted on it.  Some non-religious group tried to get them to remove it because it portrayed religious intentions on a state-funded institution.  I believe they tried to take it to court but the judge dismissed it.
Not sure how this really relates to Dr. Pepper using an age-old evolutionary image to promote their product.
The point is someone, somewhere, will always find offense to anything. I am not sure what the dr. pepper article has to do with the discussion at hand.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493403
The point is someone, somewhere, will always find offense to anything. I am not sure what the dr. pepper article has to do with the discussion at hand.
They were using evolution theory as a way to promote their product. Creationist had issues with it. The discussion is about evolution vs. creationism. Thought it was an interesting OpEd that tied in with the topic.
 

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493406
They were using evolution theory as a way to promote their product. Creationist had issues with it. The discussion is about evolution vs. creationism. Thought it was an interesting OpEd that tied in with the topic.
I saw that article a few days ago. I typed up a few paragraphs about it on here and never hit the submit button.
Chic-fil-a made bank off a controversial topic as well. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the intent of this advertisement. If it was, then it worked. I wonder why that is.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493407
I saw that article a few days ago. I typed up a few paragraphs about it on here and never hit the submit button.
Chic-fil-a made bank off a controversial topic as well. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the intent of this advertisement. If it was, then it worked. I wonder why that is.
And now that the controversy has died down Chic Full of it has reversed course and stopped funding pro marriage groups in return for being allowed to open new stores in Chicago.
 

beth

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493452
And now that the controversy has died down Chic Full of it has reversed course and stopped funding pro marriage groups in return for being allowed to open new stores in Chicago.
And that is capitalism. It is not in the best interest of any business to take on a controversial political or social cause.
 

dragonzim

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493478
You don't think discontinuing funding for groups fighting for the sanctity of marriage isn't going to be controversial? I wont do business with anyone I know of who kneels down to extremists.
From a purely financial aspect, it is definitely in a business's best interest to have nothing to do with either side and not make a stand either way.
 

beth

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493478
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Originally Posted by Beth
http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493458
And that is capitalism. It is not in the best interest of any business to take on a controversial political or social cause.
You don't think discontinuing funding for groups fighting for the sanctity of marriage isn't going to be controversial? I wont do business with anyone I know of who kneels down to extremists.
That's because they took a stand to begin with, and now, it has blown up in their faces to the effect that they are going to loose some customers based on nothing to do with the chicken they sell.
 

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493483
That's because they took a stand to begin with, and now, it has blown up in their faces to the effect that they are going to loose some customers based on nothing to do with the chicken they sell.
Last I checked, their sales went up after the fiasco. Of course, they could have lied about that being a private company and all. And I may have heard wrong as well.
 

reefraff

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I know a lot of people on Facebook who mentioned seeing huge crowds there on the day they were showing support for them.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493487
I know a lot of people on Facebook who mentioned seeing huge crowds there on the day they were showing support for them.
Chick-Fil-A didn't release any numbers, but some analyst's claim that they had a sales increase of almost 50% for that one day. Not sure where they got their info.
I personally don't get Chick-Fil-A. You pay $5.00 for a small piece of fried chicken on a small bun, with a small order of waffle fries. Their nuggets aren't much better.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/580#post_3493489
Chick-Fil-A didn't release any numbers, but some analyst's claim that they had a sales increase of almost 50% for that one day. Not sure where they got their info.
I personally don't get Chick-Fil-A. You pay $5.00 for a small piece of fried chicken on a small bun, with a small order of waffle fries. Their nuggets aren't much better.
Amen. Never ate there and don't plan to. Give me Popeye's, Churches or KFC
 

pezenfuego

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I might not agree with what they did, but I love chic-fil-a. You are right, it is incredibly expensive. They have deals quite frequently, so sometimes it is worth the money.
 

beth

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I'm sure sales went up during all the hoop-la; but that was just the moment. At the end of the day, its a business that needs to sell fast food to as many people as they can; their not a group with a cause.
 
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