Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

bionicarm

Active Member
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/520#post_3492958
When I was 16, I woke from a dream, I won't go into the dream...it's a long story. The dream had frightened me...what will I do when I die? I sought out God with evey fiber of my being, I knew he was there, not paying attention to me....ignoring me. I cried, I begged and I prayed. ..7 days.... That doesn't look like a long time, but they were hard days and I cried and felt rejected and I wanted God to pay attention, so I prayed somemore.
On the 7th day I was praying, begging and crying and something very warm began in my belly and climbed up and washed over me, and this knowing came all over me and I knew God, and I still choke up remembering that moment.... I opened my eyes and I saw a Bible real as life, but I could see thru the book, it was like a translucent thing. It came to me floating from across the room and stopped in front of my face, it opened up and entered into me. I knew every scripture, I could quote it perfectly. I knew passages I have never read. Not just the scriptures but the letters too..what folks call old and new testaments.
If that were the only thing I ever experienced, it would have been enough. If I ask he stops the rain, if I'm stranded with no phone he sends help anyway. I have gotten into a car wreck...the car was crushed like an accordian, I didn't have a scratch, my sister used the vacuum cleaner and sucked the glass from my hair. That's just a few off the top of my head kind of life I have lived in his care.
I know one thing...HaShem is solid real. I can't prove it, and I am not going to worry about what you folks are going to think of me after this post. I am not crazy. Oh and by the way, before that moment, I couldn't read. I was in special classes (basic math for example) and considered boarderline retarded, the teachers argued with my mother that I should not be in main stream school...I earned straight Fs in everything but art class. I can add and subtact, but I don't know the times tables to this day. I begged God to let me know him, he gave me a book and he taught me how to read it in an instant. I had to read the Bible just to see if what I knew was in there. I can read anything I want now, a novel in a single day and I understand what I read.
When my father was dying, it never even occured to me to ask him not to take him....I never thought of it until this moment, I knew he was supposed to die, I loved him and I cried... and I miss him. I don't blame God for my troubles. Doctors told me I would die before my son Nick was born, the doctors wanted me to abort the pregnancy...they had already taken one baby and I was too sick for the pill (another long story). I asked God to let me bring him to term and let me see him be born, then I could die in peace....he turns 32 on the 29th of September.
Knowing God does not mean that we will have no sorrows, it doesn't mean that he is the Genie of the book to grant our wishes. He isn't a crutch so we don't have to be responsible for our mistakes. I have faced death a few times...He doesn't exist so we won't be afraid to die, LOL...but knowing him helps to take the sting out a bit let me tell you. All of my joy has been to just know him, that's all I ever wanted....I'm quite sure that's all I will ever need. He has never disappointed me.
Shanah Tovah...It's Rosh Hashanah. I love the sound of the shofar!
I had a similar experience when I was 18 in high school. Unfortunately, mine was caused by the acid I dropped when someone handed me a stamp with Mickey Mouse on it and said "lick the back, you'll love it..."
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
I had a similar experience when I was 18 in high school.  Unfortunately, mine was caused by the acid I dropped when someone handed me a stamp with Mickey Mouse on it and said "lick the back, you'll love it..."
That explains a lot!
 

pezenfuego

Active Member
Unless we come up with a mathematical proof that disproves the possibility of the existence of God, this will never happen.
And the notion of creating a mathematical proof for this issue is ridiculous.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Unless we come up with a mathematical proof that disproves the possibility of the existence of God, this will never happen.
And the notion of creating a mathematical proof for this issue is ridiculous.
 
Even that wont do it. There are those that believe the Holocaust never happened.
 

geridoc

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/540#post_3493155
Have we beat this thread to death enough yet?
I think probably so. Past threads on this topic usually featured creationists putting forth arguments based on pseudoscience, and the threads grew long as these ideas were rebutted by facts. This thread took a marked religious turn, which leaves the realm of objective science. Once we start to debate proofs of God's non-existence I think we are done, since to religious people there is no need for objective proof, nor should there be - that's why it is called faith.
 

beth

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In regard to the article posted by bionic, my feeling is that western societies depart from religion because science takes a wide divergence away from a belief system of 2000 years ago. Myths and miracles just don't make sense to many and because of that they depart from a belief in God. I'm sure I will offend, but, truthfully, if the vivid methodologies were left behind, I think faith in God would be more relate-able to modern humanity. Will Christianity or Judaism survive in its present form 2000 years from now? As science becomes more and more mainstream in our lives, I think religion in its present form will be the one that actually needs to evolve, or be left behind.
 

darthtang aw

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In regard to the article posted by bionic, my feeling is that western societies depart from religion because science takes a wide divergence away from a  belief system of 2000 years ago.  Myths and miracles just don't make sense to many and because of that they depart from a belief in God.  I'm sure I will offend, but, truthfully, if the vivid methodologies were left behind, I think faith in God would be more relate-able to modern humanity. Will Christianity or Judaism survive in its present form 2000 years from now?  As science becomes more and more mainstream in our lives, I think religion in its present form will be the one that actually needs to evolve, or be left behind.
I wouldn't say it is science doing this solely. Government absolution of certain "immoral" acts and lifestyles also plays a large role. Couple that with the gradual erosion of complete self reliance and the need to look toward a different "idol" to attain things as well.
 

beth

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It is the religion that people turn away from because it is not believable.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/540#post_3493086
Looks like Jesus may have been hitched...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49075679/ns/technology_and_science-the_new_york_times/
What is wrong with Jesus being married? How would that affect anyones religion?
I would like to also point out that Jesus was a Jew, commanded by God to be fruitful and multiply. So to have a wife would give honor to the Mitzvot (commanded good deed), than the silly teaching that holy men don't have sex, a Cathoilic teaching that makes no sense at all to me.....The reason none of these make sense to me is because I can't find any, scripture, letter or gospel account that teaches this, even a little hint of it.
I am not trying to slur the religion, I hope to not be taken wrong on what I posted. I just don't understand why Christians would be upset or even care if Jesus had a wife.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member

:%%:  What is wrong with Jesus being married? How would that affect anyones religion?
I would like to also point out that Jesus was a Jew, commanded by God to be fruitful and multiply. So to have a wife would give honor to the Mitzvot (commanded good deed), than the silly teaching that holy men don't have sex, a Cathoilic teaching that makes no sense at all to me.....The reason none of these make sense to me is because I can't find any, scripture, letter or gospel account that teaches this, even a little hint of it.
I am not trying to slur the religion, I hope to not be taken wrong on what I posted. I just don't understand why Christians would be upset or even care if Jesus had a wife.
It is the whole virgin aspect. If he was married the odds of his verginity being intact at the time of the crucifiction would come into question.
 
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