Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/384994/evolution/100#post_3375683
Originally Posted by PEZenfuego http:///forum/thread/384994/evolution/100#post_3375669
I didn't intend for the thread to go in this direction, but I'm fine with it. You can believe in both God and evolution. Some scientists do. What if we are made in God's image but not immediately. What if all life started from one cleverly engineered cell and a planet for it to flourish. Being omniscient, God would have realized exactly how each of us would look after a few billion years of evolution. I don't believe this, this is just an example of how one can believe in God and evolution. I'm not sure that idea could be considered divine creation. Then there's abiogenesis. I can't remember the person who played with this, but in any case he found abiogenesis to be possible, but incredibly unlikely. He came up with some figure to gauge the likelihood. I see his work as being only slightly better than a complete guess. It may or may not be credible. Scientists haven't had any luck, but then again no scientist has lived for ten billion years. I personally hope that we can synthetically create life one day. How awesome would that be? Maybe abiogenesis is impossible. Maybe abiogenesis is not only possible but inevitable. If there are an infinite number of universes, then not only would abiogenesis exist in this universe, but in an infinite number of universes. Things get crazy from there.
I watched a video once (I doubt I can find it again). There were a couple of philosophers (I think anyway) that were talking about how if there are an infinite number of universes all of which were different, then only one universe could exist that contains nothing. If we were to take a pin which is infinitely thin and throw it at this field of universes, the odds of hitting a universe with matter is infinitely likely. I wouldn't post the video anyway, it probably wouldn't be worth anyone's time to watch as it is very lengthy.
Both science and religion have the same problem though. Where did matter come from? Okay, so God right? Where did God come from? Some people say that God created himself. I'm not sure if Quill was implying that he was one of those people. I'm also not sure that it matters.
Why do I feel as though I've opened a can of worms on this thread? I like talking about this, but I've learned that this really isn't something to get too worked up about. It doesn't get us anywhere.
Religion covers the god quewtion in one phrase. I am the begining and the end. God is and always shall be in other words. God just is........you are looking at god from a physicallity standpoint. God is an entity...a spirit........
Do you believe people have souls? Do you believ e in ghost or super natural phenomonon? A rotation of the spirit....reincarnation........anything like this?
I realize this, I was just expressing how unsatisfying I find this. I'm not going to sit here and express how I think it is wrong. Nothing would be accomplished in doing so. I'm just saying that I wish there was more. Can you image if we did unlock the secret of the universe? I wonder what that would be like. If nobody believed in a religion or rather, if everyone believed in the same religion much like "everyone" believes that the Earth is round (of course the Earth is not round, but something close to it). Would this be a good thing? On one hand we would not have debates like this. At first I was going to say that events such as the holocaust would not happen again, but I'm not so sure of that. If the secrets of the universe are unlocked and we find that God does not exist, I bet the number of nihilists would skyrocket. I am doubtful that morality would go out the window though. Is religion a good thing? I'm not sure we can answer that question definitively. Some would cite the crusades and others would cite how Napoleon and Jeffrey Dohmer (sp) are atheists.
As for the other questions I would like to bring up Blaise Pascal. You know the guy, the Pascal's triangle guy. He was a french mathematician, inventor, philosopher, Catholic, writer, prodigy, etc. He was a philosopher and is famous for Pascal's wager. I'm sure all of you have heard this, but maybe not by the proper name. I will paraphrase because I would rather not look it up and semantics don't matter for this. Basically, believing in God is a good thing because if you are right, you will be rewarded with Heaven and if you are wrong it wouldn't have mattered anyway. On the other hand, if you don't believe in God and you are right, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, but if you are wrong you are going to hell.
At first glance this seems completely reasonable, but for me (personally at least) I don't see it. I cannot make myself believe in God. I can try and I have, but it won't work. If I could control what I believe in to that extent I would believe in God. You know that way I would be with the masses and win Pascal's wager. But it is not that simple. The closest I can come to believing in God is denying my atheism. In any case I am a firm believer in reading both the bible and evolution literature. I don't think EVERYONE should read up on EVERY religion. There are honestly better things that can be done with that time. In America though, the Holy Bible is important because of our culture.
I didn't mean to go off on a tangent. I do not believe in ghosts either. I do however like watching those ghost shows. Mindless entertainment.