Fire's Coming This Way
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mantisman51
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It's not quite that bad where I'm at, but I've seen that kinda thing a lot down off of Coronado Monument Road-where the fire started. Read the first sentence a time or two: 2000 tons!
http://tucsoncitizen.com/living-on-the-border/2011/01/07/arizona-address-border-trash-as-a-serious-issue/
http://tucsoncitizen.com/living-on-the-border/2011/01/07/arizona-address-border-trash-as-a-serious-issue/
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/80#post_3392446
I was listening to the Sheriff down there about the origin of the fire. The park was closed, the forest was closed. The fire started right at the fence at the border, the rabbits and rattle snakes didn't start it. There was no lighting. The area is a high traffic point for illegals and smugglers. You decide. LOL! I love this guy.
If a wetback starts a fire and no one is there to see it, did a wetback really start the fire?
There was a fire that started up here in Texas the other day. Found out the 'incendiary device' was a piece of thick broken glass that someone threw out on the side of the road. The sunlight went through it at just the right angle, and it acted like a magnifying glass against the dried-out brush. Must have been an illegal that set the glass up just right....
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/80#post_3392446
I was listening to the Sheriff down there about the origin of the fire. The park was closed, the forest was closed. The fire started right at the fence at the border, the rabbits and rattle snakes didn't start it. There was no lighting. The area is a high traffic point for illegals and smugglers. You decide. LOL! I love this guy.
If a wetback starts a fire and no one is there to see it, did a wetback really start the fire?
There was a fire that started up here in Texas the other day. Found out the 'incendiary device' was a piece of thick broken glass that someone threw out on the side of the road. The sunlight went through it at just the right angle, and it acted like a magnifying glass against the dried-out brush. Must have been an illegal that set the glass up just right....
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392883
If a wetback starts a fire and no one is there to see it, did a wetback really start the fire?
There was a fire that started up here in Texas the other day. Found out the 'incendiary device' was a piece of thick broken glass that someone threw out on the side of the road. The sunlight went through it at just the right angle, and it acted like a magnifying glass against the dried-out brush. Must have been an illegal that set the glass up just right....
I guess you were too busy to see the picture of the fire when it started on the Mexico side of the border? Yup, those poor, unfortunate illegals do absolutely nothing but benefit our society and we scapegoat them for everything.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392883
If a wetback starts a fire and no one is there to see it, did a wetback really start the fire?
There was a fire that started up here in Texas the other day. Found out the 'incendiary device' was a piece of thick broken glass that someone threw out on the side of the road. The sunlight went through it at just the right angle, and it acted like a magnifying glass against the dried-out brush. Must have been an illegal that set the glass up just right....
I guess you were too busy to see the picture of the fire when it started on the Mexico side of the border? Yup, those poor, unfortunate illegals do absolutely nothing but benefit our society and we scapegoat them for everything.
deejeff442
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wow you have problems.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/80#post_3392282
You just keep climbing higher on the ridiculous tree. Number one you are talking about legalizing all drugs and not just MJ. #2 with alcohol you can take a drink or two, or 5 depending on the person and what they are drinking and not be loaded. With drugs, even MJ, the act is intended to put you under the influence every time. I've smoked weed and I've been drunk so I have a really good frame of reference here. While I'd rather be in a car with someone who's stoned than someone who's drunk what do you suppose the condition of most DUI drivers are? "I only had a couple beers, I aint drunk". That comes from law enforcement folks I know in 3 different states who all say the same thing. One of the things that worries me about legalizing MJ is the prevailing attitude among user that it's a harmless herb and they can drive just as well stoned. Can't imagine how bad it would be if all the opther stuff was legal too.
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/80#post_3392282
You just keep climbing higher on the ridiculous tree. Number one you are talking about legalizing all drugs and not just MJ. #2 with alcohol you can take a drink or two, or 5 depending on the person and what they are drinking and not be loaded. With drugs, even MJ, the act is intended to put you under the influence every time. I've smoked weed and I've been drunk so I have a really good frame of reference here. While I'd rather be in a car with someone who's stoned than someone who's drunk what do you suppose the condition of most DUI drivers are? "I only had a couple beers, I aint drunk". That comes from law enforcement folks I know in 3 different states who all say the same thing. One of the things that worries me about legalizing MJ is the prevailing attitude among user that it's a harmless herb and they can drive just as well stoned. Can't imagine how bad it would be if all the opther stuff was legal too.
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
deejeff442
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i will tell ya this. a few years ago my sis in law came here to visit.she smokes.so i took two drags.sat there staring around.found a wind chime on my back porch .its pretty big.i asked my wife how long that thing has been there .she said 3 months.funny.then i went to sleep.alcohol has alot worse and longer affects than any drugs i played with.i did some coke when i was younger and really didnt see an affect of awareness like booze does.oh the young years.good times
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392885
I guess you were too busy to see the picture of the fire when it started on the Mexico side of the border? Yup, those poor, unfortunate illegals do absolutely nothing but benefit our society and we scapegoat them for everything.
That seems to be the mantra in Arizona. You poor suckers seem to think you're the only place in the world that deals with illegals. You have this huge disdain for them simply because they directly invade your space. There's probably more illegals here in San Antonio than you have in your little neck of the woods. The difference here is, you wouldn't even know they were illegal unless they told you. San Antonio is 57% Hispanic. 90% of them talk fluent Spanish during a normal conversation. So unless you design some 'illegal immigrant symbol' like the Jews used to wear during the Nazi days, how do you tell the difference?
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392885
I guess you were too busy to see the picture of the fire when it started on the Mexico side of the border? Yup, those poor, unfortunate illegals do absolutely nothing but benefit our society and we scapegoat them for everything.
That seems to be the mantra in Arizona. You poor suckers seem to think you're the only place in the world that deals with illegals. You have this huge disdain for them simply because they directly invade your space. There's probably more illegals here in San Antonio than you have in your little neck of the woods. The difference here is, you wouldn't even know they were illegal unless they told you. San Antonio is 57% Hispanic. 90% of them talk fluent Spanish during a normal conversation. So unless you design some 'illegal immigrant symbol' like the Jews used to wear during the Nazi days, how do you tell the difference?
mantisman51
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The same way cops know if I'm legal: by checking ID's when contact is made. You know, 1070? Such a racist law, making everyone show ID and prove citizenship. NEWS FLASH! Earth to be hit by meteor tomorrow! Women and minorities most affected.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392887
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
Umm Skippy, your experience was the same as mine. I said I'd rather jump in the car with someone who was stoned than someone drunk....... You assume everyone who gets drunk will jump in the car. As I said before most DUI's are people who don't think they are even drunk. Now I can't speak for other drugs but I've known guys who did MJ or coke and thought nothing of jumping in the car and driving when they were loaded but had seen them ask for a ride after drinking heavily on more than one occasion or say "enough, I gotta drive home" when out drinking with them.
As far as accidents what percentage of people use illegal drugs as opposed to drinking alcohol? But there are still plenty of drug related accidents. Heck I just saw a story the other day where a number of states now have more deaths from drugs than from auto accidents whatever the cause.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392887
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
Umm Skippy, your experience was the same as mine. I said I'd rather jump in the car with someone who was stoned than someone drunk....... You assume everyone who gets drunk will jump in the car. As I said before most DUI's are people who don't think they are even drunk. Now I can't speak for other drugs but I've known guys who did MJ or coke and thought nothing of jumping in the car and driving when they were loaded but had seen them ask for a ride after drinking heavily on more than one occasion or say "enough, I gotta drive home" when out drinking with them.
As far as accidents what percentage of people use illegal drugs as opposed to drinking alcohol? But there are still plenty of drug related accidents. Heck I just saw a story the other day where a number of states now have more deaths from drugs than from auto accidents whatever the cause.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392891
The same way cops know if I'm legal: by checking ID's when contact is made. You know, 1070? Such a racist law, making everyone show ID and prove citizenship. NEWS FLASH! Earth to be hit by meteor tomorrow! Women and minorities most affected.
Well, there's over 2 million people living in San Antonio, that means roughly 1.2 million of them are Hispanic. So the cops are immediately going to check every single one of these individuals who's Hispanic for proper ID? Guess Whitey's, Asian's, and Black's get a 'free pass' on the ID check. Even though there are illegals of that skin tone, we're not really concerned about those minority illegals. That's called Racial Profiling.
Define "when contact is made". Cop see's a group of Hispanics walking down the street, talking fluent Spanish and looking a little scruffy. Would that be considered "making contact" if he walked over and asked them for ID's? Do you think if that same group was a bunch of White guys, and they were talking English, the cop would have even a small inclination to walk over and ask them for their ID's?
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392891
The same way cops know if I'm legal: by checking ID's when contact is made. You know, 1070? Such a racist law, making everyone show ID and prove citizenship. NEWS FLASH! Earth to be hit by meteor tomorrow! Women and minorities most affected.
Well, there's over 2 million people living in San Antonio, that means roughly 1.2 million of them are Hispanic. So the cops are immediately going to check every single one of these individuals who's Hispanic for proper ID? Guess Whitey's, Asian's, and Black's get a 'free pass' on the ID check. Even though there are illegals of that skin tone, we're not really concerned about those minority illegals. That's called Racial Profiling.
Define "when contact is made". Cop see's a group of Hispanics walking down the street, talking fluent Spanish and looking a little scruffy. Would that be considered "making contact" if he walked over and asked them for ID's? Do you think if that same group was a bunch of White guys, and they were talking English, the cop would have even a small inclination to walk over and ask them for their ID's?
mantisman51
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This ain't rocket science. Any criminal act or suspicion of a criminal act. My nephew was stopped while walking down the street in Sierra Vista; blonde hair, blue eyes and was taken to the PD for proof of ID. The fact that over 50% of Az law enforcement is non-white, makes your lame argument nonsensical. The law affects everyone in Az, regardless of ethnicity. I have been pulled over by BP 3x since moving here in 2002. Twice after driving along the border-I was checking out the original border markers. Last time was because I was test driving a pickup overnight and was so close to the border with a dealer plate(which I bought the next day). To be frank, the law doesn't go far enough. If an illegal alien doesn't do anything suspicious, he/she will never be checked. We have about 40% Hispanics in Cochise County, even more in Maricopa County(Phoenix). Do you really think law enforcement has that little to do, that they are going to go after "brown people"? Especially when there are about the same # of Hispanic officers as white and black combined? Really? Do you ever think outside knee-jerk liberalism?
mantisman51
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No one can be questioned for any other reason than standard police procedure allows. Walking or driving while brown is not a "reasonable suspicion" and is specifically prohibited by 1070. It actually criminalizes profiling. Cops can be fired and prosecuted if found to be profiling.
ironeagle2006
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392887
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
Read up on the Gunpow Interlocking Collison at Chase MD if you want to see what happens when someone that his HIGH on MJ operates a piece of Heavy Equipment in this case a set of Locomotives and causes one of the Deadliest Accidents in US History. Ricky Gates was high on Weed ran a Red Signal in MD right into the path of a Northbound Amtrak Train killed 16 People and injured close to 100. Yes the Alret for running a red had been taped shut but he was the one that failed to Responed to the RED LIGHT that MEANS STOP.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392887
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
Read up on the Gunpow Interlocking Collison at Chase MD if you want to see what happens when someone that his HIGH on MJ operates a piece of Heavy Equipment in this case a set of Locomotives and causes one of the Deadliest Accidents in US History. Ricky Gates was high on Weed ran a Red Signal in MD right into the path of a Northbound Amtrak Train killed 16 People and injured close to 100. Yes the Alret for running a red had been taped shut but he was the one that failed to Responed to the RED LIGHT that MEANS STOP.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393007
This ain't rocket science. Any criminal act or suspicion of a criminal act. My nephew was stopped while walking down the street in Sierra Vista; blonde hair, blue eyes and was taken to the PD for proof of ID. The fact that over 50% of Az law enforcement is non-white, makes your lame argument nonsensical. The law affects everyone in Az, regardless of ethnicity. I have been pulled over by BP 3x since moving here in 2002. Twice after driving along the border-I was checking out the original border markers. Last time was because I was test driving a pickup overnight and was so close to the border with a dealer plate(which I bought the next day). To be frank, the law doesn't go far enough. If an illegal alien doesn't do anything suspicious, he/she will never be checked. We have about 40% Hispanics in Cochise County, even more in Maricopa County(Phoenix). Do you really think law enforcement has that little to do, that they are going to go after "brown people"? Especially when there are about the same # of Hispanic officers as white and black combined? Really? Do you ever think outside knee-jerk liberalism?
You're the one claiming they need to ID eerybody that moves in Arizona, not me. And apparently the cops in Arizona have nothing better to do. All you hear on this news from the podunk Arizona border towns is how the sheriffs spend half their time chasing illegals. You have Sheriff Billy Job Bob in Phoenix, Tuscon, or wherever he rides his horse with his two six-shooters on his side that made national headlines that essentially started HB1070. 50% of the posts you make on this forum is complaining about "them illegals" over-running your town. People here in the Big Cities of Texas just laugh about it and think it's a joke. We have over 800 miles of border along Texas, with thousands of 'coyote' entry points. There's not enough Border Patrol aents to cover it all. If you want the Feds to finance that boondoggle to secure the borders, you'd spend more than that Trillion we spent wasting our time in Iraq. You'll sit here and complain about excessive spending on the illegals, but you'd spend twice as much if not more trying to keep them out.
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393007
This ain't rocket science. Any criminal act or suspicion of a criminal act. My nephew was stopped while walking down the street in Sierra Vista; blonde hair, blue eyes and was taken to the PD for proof of ID. The fact that over 50% of Az law enforcement is non-white, makes your lame argument nonsensical. The law affects everyone in Az, regardless of ethnicity. I have been pulled over by BP 3x since moving here in 2002. Twice after driving along the border-I was checking out the original border markers. Last time was because I was test driving a pickup overnight and was so close to the border with a dealer plate(which I bought the next day). To be frank, the law doesn't go far enough. If an illegal alien doesn't do anything suspicious, he/she will never be checked. We have about 40% Hispanics in Cochise County, even more in Maricopa County(Phoenix). Do you really think law enforcement has that little to do, that they are going to go after "brown people"? Especially when there are about the same # of Hispanic officers as white and black combined? Really? Do you ever think outside knee-jerk liberalism?
You're the one claiming they need to ID eerybody that moves in Arizona, not me. And apparently the cops in Arizona have nothing better to do. All you hear on this news from the podunk Arizona border towns is how the sheriffs spend half their time chasing illegals. You have Sheriff Billy Job Bob in Phoenix, Tuscon, or wherever he rides his horse with his two six-shooters on his side that made national headlines that essentially started HB1070. 50% of the posts you make on this forum is complaining about "them illegals" over-running your town. People here in the Big Cities of Texas just laugh about it and think it's a joke. We have over 800 miles of border along Texas, with thousands of 'coyote' entry points. There's not enough Border Patrol aents to cover it all. If you want the Feds to finance that boondoggle to secure the borders, you'd spend more than that Trillion we spent wasting our time in Iraq. You'll sit here and complain about excessive spending on the illegals, but you'd spend twice as much if not more trying to keep them out.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393041
Read up on the Gunpow Interlocking Collison at Chase MD if you want to see what happens when someone that his HIGH on MJ operates a piece of Heavy Equipment in this case a set of Locomotives and causes one of the Deadliest Accidents in US History. Ricky Gates was high on Weed ran a Red Signal in MD right into the path of a Northbound Amtrak Train killed 16 People and injured close to 100. Yes the Alret for running a red had been taped shut but he was the one that failed to Responed to the RED LIGHT that MEANS STOP.
One train wreck from a got "high' pales in comparison to the thousands who have died from DUI's, including train conductors.
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393041
Read up on the Gunpow Interlocking Collison at Chase MD if you want to see what happens when someone that his HIGH on MJ operates a piece of Heavy Equipment in this case a set of Locomotives and causes one of the Deadliest Accidents in US History. Ricky Gates was high on Weed ran a Red Signal in MD right into the path of a Northbound Amtrak Train killed 16 People and injured close to 100. Yes the Alret for running a red had been taped shut but he was the one that failed to Responed to the RED LIGHT that MEANS STOP.
One train wreck from a got "high' pales in comparison to the thousands who have died from DUI's, including train conductors.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393073
You're the one claiming they need to ID eerybody that moves in Arizona, not me. And apparently the cops in Arizona have nothing better to do. All you hear on this news from the podunk Arizona border towns is how the sheriffs spend half their time chasing illegals. You have Sheriff Billy Job Bob in Phoenix, Tuscon, or wherever he rides his horse with his two six-shooters on his side that made national headlines that essentially started HB1070. 50% of the posts you make on this forum is complaining about "them illegals" over-running your town. People here in the Big Cities of Texas just laugh about it and think it's a joke. We have over 800 miles of border along Texas, with thousands of 'coyote' entry points. There's not enough Border Patrol aents to cover it all. If you want the Feds to finance that boondoggle to secure the borders, you'd spend more than that Trillion we spent wasting our time in Iraq. You'll sit here and complain about excessive spending on the illegals, but you'd spend twice as much if not more trying to keep them out.
What;s the population of Texas compared to AZ? You get a small town of 10 or 15K and have several hundred illegals move in it's a lot more impact.
Not really sure why you keep making the irrational statement about checking ID's. Arizona's 1070 specifically prohibits that unless a person has been stopped for another offense.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393073
You're the one claiming they need to ID eerybody that moves in Arizona, not me. And apparently the cops in Arizona have nothing better to do. All you hear on this news from the podunk Arizona border towns is how the sheriffs spend half their time chasing illegals. You have Sheriff Billy Job Bob in Phoenix, Tuscon, or wherever he rides his horse with his two six-shooters on his side that made national headlines that essentially started HB1070. 50% of the posts you make on this forum is complaining about "them illegals" over-running your town. People here in the Big Cities of Texas just laugh about it and think it's a joke. We have over 800 miles of border along Texas, with thousands of 'coyote' entry points. There's not enough Border Patrol aents to cover it all. If you want the Feds to finance that boondoggle to secure the borders, you'd spend more than that Trillion we spent wasting our time in Iraq. You'll sit here and complain about excessive spending on the illegals, but you'd spend twice as much if not more trying to keep them out.
What;s the population of Texas compared to AZ? You get a small town of 10 or 15K and have several hundred illegals move in it's a lot more impact.
Not really sure why you keep making the irrational statement about checking ID's. Arizona's 1070 specifically prohibits that unless a person has been stopped for another offense.
aquaknight
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392887
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393074
One train wreck from a got "high' pales in comparison to the thousands who have died from DUI's, including train conductors.
Something about 2 wrongs not equaling a right... The "me too" excuse not working as a kid and still not working.... And so on... It's funny how any conversation about legalization, almost instantly starts to sound like a case for prohibition..... Whatever negative attributes are associated with alcohol have absolutely zero bearing on legalization of MJ. It doesn't matter if alcohol killed 2 million people a day in the US, that doesn't help weed become legal.
Generally there has to be some discernible overall positive aspect for legalization. From what I gather, there isn't (other then a minor bit of medicinal use, which I do support), and only negatives attached with use. "Cuz we want it" doesn't equate to much. I want to drive 150mph legally. What's the difference?
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3392887
Talk about ridiculous. I used to drink both massive amounts of alcohol, and my fair share of MJ in high school and college. I can say factually that I was more aware of my surroundings when I was 'stoned' than I ever was drunk on my rear after drinking several beers or multiple shots of hard liquor. So my experiences are completely the opposite of yours. Doing drugs affects each individual differently, just as alcohol does.
You have this concept that people that use drugs are going to go jump into their cars and start driving around immediately after using. You'd be amazed at the number of individuals in California that drives around 'high on coke'. Shoot, they probably sit there and snort blow at the stop lights in Hollywood. Ever hear of any statistics on the number of automobile fatalities from drug users vs. alcohol users? How many news articles do you read about some guy driving down the wrong side of the road under the influence of cocaine or MJ?
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/100#post_3393074
One train wreck from a got "high' pales in comparison to the thousands who have died from DUI's, including train conductors.
Something about 2 wrongs not equaling a right... The "me too" excuse not working as a kid and still not working.... And so on... It's funny how any conversation about legalization, almost instantly starts to sound like a case for prohibition..... Whatever negative attributes are associated with alcohol have absolutely zero bearing on legalization of MJ. It doesn't matter if alcohol killed 2 million people a day in the US, that doesn't help weed become legal.
Generally there has to be some discernible overall positive aspect for legalization. From what I gather, there isn't (other then a minor bit of medicinal use, which I do support), and only negatives attached with use. "Cuz we want it" doesn't equate to much. I want to drive 150mph legally. What's the difference?