Fire's Coming This Way

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/60#post_3392208
I just Googled "What if you deported all illegal immigrants". Do you honestly think ANY conservative blog or site would ever justify allowing illegals to live here?

According to the liberals Rich Republicans want to keep illegals here as slave labor. You'd think there would be conservative groups trying to oppose immigration laws if there were a shred of truth to that claim.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/60#post_3392209
I have been all over Mexico. It is one of the poorest nations in the world and the crime is horrendous everywhere. Did you hear about the 22 people massacred in Acapulco? Regardless, I have met so many wonderful Mexican people there. That does not mean they should be here. Mexico needs to fix itself. Not export their poor.
All the killings in Mexico are mainly due to the drug cartels. I agree that Mexico needs to repair their economic system so that their citizens can obtain better lives in their own country. Ironically, if Mexico did "take care of themselves", you'd see a major economic downturn in the US. Look up how many Americans companies have manufacturing facilities in Mexico and Central America where labor is cheap. You get rid of that cheap labor, and those products built in those countries will increase 20% - 40%. I have a buddy whose company makes automotive parts in almost every border town along Texas (wiring harnesses, aluminum wheels, fasteners, electrical connectors, etc.) If those jobs had to return to the US, or the companies had to pay three times as much for Mexican labor, then that Ford F-150 you can buy for $20,000 will cost you $28,000 - $32,000. Same would happen to the price of appliances, recreational vehicles, motorcycles, home electronics, heavy trucks (Freightliner, International, Mac Trucks), Network Communication gear, computer parts, etc. Pretty much anything you rely on in your home and personal lifestyle. Just look around at how many "Made in Mexico" labels there are.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/60#post_3392212
Legalize them, and the drug users could "grow their own". Look at the marijuana industry in Northern California. Meth labs are all over this country using chemicals readily available to anyone who wants to buy them. The same could be done for cocaine, heroin, pick one. Didn't some state just recently pass a law that allows a person to grow like 25 sq. ft of marijuana for "medical or personal use"?
You can't friggin be serious. Don't we have enough drugged out degenerates in this country without making it easier.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/80#post_3392224
You can't friggin be serious. Don't we have enough drugged out degenerates in this country without making it easier.
How many alcoholics and smoking addicts do we have? It's OK to sit around sucking down a 12-pack of beer while watching a football game, but you're a "drugged out degenerate" for smoking a couple of "doobies" to get the same feeling you get from that 12-pack.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/80#post_3392260
How many alcoholics and smoking addicts do we have? It's OK to sit around sucking down a 12-pack of beer while watching a football game, but you're a "drugged out degenerate" for smoking a couple of "doobies" to get the same feeling you get from that 12-pack.
You just keep climbing higher on the ridiculous tree. Number one you are talking about legalizing all drugs and not just MJ. #2 with alcohol you can take a drink or two, or 5 depending on the person and what they are drinking and not be loaded. With drugs, even MJ, the act is intended to put you under the influence every time. I've smoked weed and I've been drunk so I have a really good frame of reference here. While I'd rather be in a car with someone who's stoned than someone who's drunk what do you suppose the condition of most DUI drivers are? "I only had a couple beers, I aint drunk". That comes from law enforcement folks I know in 3 different states who all say the same thing. One of the things that worries me about legalizing MJ is the prevailing attitude among user that it's a harmless herb and they can drive just as well stoned. Can't imagine how bad it would be if all the opther stuff was legal too.
 
darthtang aw

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You just keep climbing higher on the ridiculous tree. Number one you are talking about legalizing all drugs and not just MJ. #2 with alcohol you can take a drink or two, or 5 depending on the person and what they are drinking and not be loaded. With drugs, even MJ, the act is intended to put you under the influence every time. I've smoked weed and I've been drunk so I have a really good frame of reference here. While I'd rather be in a car with someone who's stoned than someone who's drunk what do you suppose the condition of most DUI drivers are? "I only had a couple beers, I aint drunk". That comes from law enforcement folks I know in 3 different states who all say the same thing. One of the things that worries me about legalizing MJ is the prevailing attitude among user that it's a harmless herb and they can drive just as well stoned. Can't imagine how bad it would be if all the opther stuff was legal too.
 
 
Oh come on reef, and increase in crack and heroin usage would be good for this country....imagine the tax revenue, that should outweigh any of the downside. And besides,there are far less drug related deaths that alcohol.
Darth (meth labs are healthy) Tang.
 
reefraff

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I was listening to the Sheriff down there about the origin of the fire. The park was closed, the forest was closed. The fire started right at the fence at the border, the rabbits and rattle snakes didn't start it. There was no lighting. The area is a high traffic point for illegals and smugglers. You decide. LOL! I love this guy.
 
mantisman51

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You should read the seething hateful rants by la raza here in Az. Go to http://azstarnet.com/article_ada36299-03c9-5980-8d92-d2fa20de449a.html and read what la raza has to say. Read the comments on the story. They love throwing out "racist". This is despicable. It doesn't matter what illegals do, it's never anyone's fault if they have a Spanish name. I was happy to see so many Hispanics telling the la raza types they were the racists and that they were opposed to illegal immigration as well. More Hispanics here in Az are starting to speak up publicly against these left-wing whack jobs. The problem is the Democrat party and media are carrying water for these dirtbags that cry "racist" anytime someone mentions the damage illegals are doing.
 
slice

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I continue to be unable to understand why no one identifies this problem for what it is.
The problem is the inability or unwillingness of Mexico to solve it's social and economic problems and it's tacit exportation of it's citizens.
We suffer from the symptoms of that root cause.
No one in the US caused this situation and no one in the US is exacerbating it.
The action of US citizens of protecting themselves is in no way the problem nor does it contribute to the problem. Those actions
are a response to the problem that is being thrust upon us.
Mexico's leadership is responsible for the conditions that causes their citizens to leave their homes and families to risk their lives
seeking elsewhere what they cannot find in their own homeland.
AZ by protecting themselves, cannot be held responsible for the tragedy occurring across the border.
Edit: added "or unwillingness" and corrected grammar...
 
mantisman51

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/22/arizona-sheriff-wildfires-likely-started-by-mexican-drug-traffickers-smugglers/
Ok libs, here's PROOF. The wind was blowing 20-30 mph northeast.
 
mantisman51

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Here's definitive proof it was illegals or smugglers and the crickets are chirping. Not a comment from those screaming "racist"? Why no acknowledgement? Will the democratics :) and media who fanned the flames of "racism" now admit this and change their mind on how dangerous these illegals are? Nope. Too important a voting block for the lefties.
 
reefraff

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My friend is a Maricopa county deputy Sheriff and you should see some of the pics he sent me of the trash the illegals leave even that far north in the desert. He had some from a shooting trip they did down south and it is amazing. I am honestly surprised the environmental groups aren't screaming about it but I guess those who send down their marching orders don't want to pit one voting block against another.
 
mantisman51

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Where I'm building my house is 1 mile from the border. Thankfully BP has patrolled the area heavily since I complained last year, but in the middle of nowhere we have hundreds of backpacks and thousands of water and juice bottles.
 
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