Fire's Coming This Way

mantisman51

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http://azstarnet.com/news/local/wildfire/3f4870bd-a375-5b21-b9af-395aa98f58cf.html
The fire has jumped the highway into housing developments. The planes and helicopters are grounded and the fire is out of control. It is now eating up homes by the dozens. About 1:30 the winds kicked up to gusts of 50-60 mph and there is now no natural or man-made barriers between the fire and south Sierra Vista. This is incredible. I can't believe the destruction.
 

deejeff442

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is your home out of its way now?we had a couple big fires here .this morning a house ( which was a white trash home with 20 years of junk all over the property and was better off burnt )then a grass fire this afternoon .the winds here were 30-45 mph.
isnt most of the land there flat?
 

mantisman51

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The fire has moved about 8 miles north. Unless someone lights another fire on the border we are safe. We have mountains all around us and the whole valley is on each side of the mountains and crisscrossed with washes. So we have little flat land.
 

mantisman51

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http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=h&lat=31.463152&lon=-110.196101&zoom=14
The fire is in the houses on the northeast side of Hwy 92 and East Ramsey Rd.
 

deejeff442

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typically fires slow going downhill.problem is like i am sure you noticed if the wind keeps changing direction it will take forever to put out.
i think you already passed the texas fires for acreage .are you getting the help there like we did here?i think there was 32 states here helping.i am sure the governor declared a state of emergency.what is the federal gov't doing to help?the feds have plenty of recources to help.
 

mantisman51

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There are 700 firefighters and 6 tankers-helicopters and planes. They just sent the planes up because of the wind is down to like 30 mph. With the wind here, the fires keep rushing down the mountain into the valleys. It's blowing fairly consistently NE. A few days ago it was blowing directly east, which is when it got so close to us. Because of it's proximity to such a large population area, this is the biggest priority in the nation-at least that's what the FS director said.
 

deejeff442

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do you see any bulldozers.usually they will doze a section around the fire then position on the other side so it dont jump and just let the stuff burn on the side it is already on.
last i heard only like 5-10% was contained.thats just nuts
 

mantisman51

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They are keeping everyone out of the area. We are now an isolated island since they closed even the back highway to SV. But the news said a bulldozer started a fire yesterday at Ft Huachuca (Wha chewka), so I guess they are using them on the open range.
 

mantisman51

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Yes. But BP thinks it's more of a revenge fire, set for spite. Again today the news media said it was a "campfire" that got out of control. What they are intentionally ignoring is that the entire area was closed to all but Federal agencies and they are all saying it was illegals privately. They have been ordered by the administration not to point fingers at illegals.
 

bionicarm

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Guess this tragic fire in Arizona has a little irony to it. The illegal immigrant bills that are sweeping the nation originated there, and now the fires are "fanning the flames" so to speak to justify making the laws even stronger. What better way to get Arizonians to start shooting and dragging every illegal they find, because John McCain and the Border Patrol claim they started the fires. By the time this is all over, there won't be a "brown skin" in site anywhere in Arizona. If I were of Hispanic decent, I sure wouldn't stay there, whether I was legal or not.
 

mantisman51

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Most Hispanics here, outside the inner city of Tucson and Phoenix, are opposed to illegals running rampant. I think you should check yourself for racism, it's not hard for most of us to see illegals for being criminals and not just "all those brown people". Also, the vast majority of BP are Hispanic. I think they don't confuse the difference either. You are the racist and I really haven't the energy to fight over this. A criminal started the fire. That's all.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/40#post_3391879
Most Hispanics here, outside the inner city of Tucson and Phoenix, are opposed to illegals running rampant. I think you should check yourself for racism, it's not hard for most of us to see illegals for being criminals and not just "all those brown people". Also, the vast majority of BP are Hispanic. I think they don't confuse the difference either. You are the racist and I really haven't the energy to fight over this. A criminal started the fire. That's all.
Me a racist? Look at yours and the other comments being made about what should be done about "them illegals" SUPPOSEDLY intentionally starting these fires. Tell me how you are able to distinguish between a legal and illegal Hispanic. We have just as many, if not more, right here in San Antonio. You go to the stores, out around town, you see several Hispanics talking to one another in their TexMex dialogue. Are they legal or not? I can't tell. That's the point I'm trying to make.
The last report I saw was the federal authorities were suspecting some campers that started the fires. Now if there is a 100% burn ban in Arizona, even for campfires while camping, then yes, whoever started these fires are indeed criminals. But if a burn ban isn't in place, then it could have posssibly been an accident. We had a major fire break out here in Texas because some guy blew a tire, and sparks shot off his rim into a nearby field, causing the fire to outbreak. As dry as everything is right now, it won't take much of anything to get a fire going.
 

mantisman51

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#1 A criminal breaks the law. White, brown, black, whatever. That is the difference and I have always talked about "illegals". What other people say to do, I don't care. I have said and will always say, if someone is here illegally, deport them. Everytime I have been pulled over, I get my ID checked. I meant, and I'm sure you got, that I don't see "all those brown people"(your words) as illegals. #2 Coronado Memorial Road was CLOSED TO ALL BUT FEDERAL AGENTS! It couldn't have been campers as the media is saying. It is a Hispanic BP agent at the Jumpin Jack that told me it was NOT campers and that he and many other BP agents and the Forest Service thought started it and was ordered by his superior not to mention it was an illegal. Where the fire started is right on the border fence. It is 2 miles off the goat trail they call a road. Unless campers hauled their sh*t over 2 miles of washes and mesquite and white oak so thick there are few large animals that go their, it couldn't have been campers. THE WALLOW FIRE on the NM line was caused by campers. I know you just hate the thought of a good democratic illegal voter would be a criminal, but they are. And whether they are here to work construction or smuggle drugs, they are committing a crime and we have to stop all of them to seal the border and know who's coming into our country. How do you or any other fine democratic :) know who's coming across the border? You don't and neither does anyone. I'm sure it didn't make the news there, but 3 or 4 miles from where this fire was started, a pedophile murderer was caught coming across. He had a warrant out of Ohio. And the inner city of San Antonio, where all those upstanding illegals hang out, it's a safe place to take a walk at night, isn't it?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/40#post_3391968
#1 A criminal breaks the law. White, brown, black, whatever. That is the difference and I have always talked about "illegals". What other people say to do, I don't care. I have said and will always say, if someone is here illegally, deport them. Everytime I have been pulled over, I get my ID checked. I meant, and I'm sure you got, that I don't see "all those brown people"(your words) as illegals. #2 Coronado Memorial Road was CLOSED TO ALL BUT FEDERAL AGENTS! It couldn't have been campers as the media is saying. It is a Hispanic BP agent at the Jumpin Jack that told me it was NOT campers and that he and many other BP agents and the Forest Service thought started it and was ordered by his superior not to mention it was an illegal. Where the fire started is right on the border fence. It is 2 miles off the goat trail they call a road. Unless campers hauled their sh*t over 2 miles of washes and mesquite and white oak so thick there are few large animals that go their, it couldn't have been campers. THE WALLOW FIRE on the NM line was caused by campers. I know you just hate the thought of a good democratic illegal voter would be a criminal, but they are. And whether they are here to work construction or smuggle drugs, they are committing a crime and we have to stop all of them to seal the border and know who's coming into our country. How do you or any other fine democratic :) know who's coming across the border? You don't and neither does anyone. I'm sure it didn't make the news there, but 3 or 4 miles from where this fire was started, a pedophile murderer was caught coming across. He had a warrant out of Ohio. And the inner city of San Antonio, where all those upstanding illegals hang out, it's a safe place to take a walk at night, isn't it?
Considering most of our major tourist attractions are downtown, then it would stand to reason that you'd have the majority of visitors walking around there at all times. There's been their share of violence and crimes in that area, but there's no proof or statistics that show that it's mainly illegals that are causing the crimes.
Like the way you keep reiterating that this BP Agent was Hispanic. Does this justify you're position that these claims can't be considered racist simply because someone of the same decent is making these claims? Did these agents or some arson investigator confirm what type of accelerant started this fire on ths Coronado Memorial Road? So if an illegal starts a 'campfire' in an area where it's legal to start one, and the fire simply got out of hand, is it still considered a criminal act simply because the individual was illegal? If you replace the "illegal" with a known "US citizen that was a felon" in this same scenario, would that legal felon still be considered a criminal for starting a legal fire?
I find it interesting that you characterize all illegal voters as "Democrats". Exactly how are they able to vote in the first place? Where are they getting their voter's registration cards? If that's the case, how are so many Republicans getting voted into local, state, and national positions in Arizona?
 

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/40#post_3391876
Guess this tragic fire in Arizona has a little irony to it. The illegal immigrant bills that are sweeping the nation originated there, and now the fires are "fanning the flames" so to speak to justify making the laws even stronger. What better way to get Arizonians to start shooting and dragging every illegal they find, because John McCain and the Border Patrol claim they started the fires. By the time this is all over, there won't be a "brown skin" in site anywhere in Arizona. If I were of Hispanic decent, I sure wouldn't stay there, whether I was legal or not.
Perhaps you should do a little research. Illegals have started numerous brush fires down there, most have been small. What amazes me is you should see the amount of trash that is piled up. If it were coming from Americans out camping all the fanatical environmental groups would be up in arms. It looks like a trash dump in some of the washes.
 

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386238/fire-s-coming-this-way/40#post_3392030
Considering most of our major tourist attractions are downtown, then it would stand to reason that you'd have the majority of visitors walking around there at all times. There's been their share of violence and crimes in that area, but there's no proof or statistics that show that it's mainly illegals that are causing the crimes.
Like the way you keep reiterating that this BP Agent was Hispanic. Does this justify you're position that these claims can't be considered racist simply because someone of the same decent is making these claims? Did these agents or some arson investigator confirm what type of accelerant started this fire on ths Coronado Memorial Road? So if an illegal starts a 'campfire' in an area where it's legal to start one, and the fire simply got out of hand, is it still considered a criminal act simply because the individual was illegal? If you replace the "illegal" with a known "US citizen that was a felon" in this same scenario, would that legal felon still be considered a criminal for starting a legal fire?
I find it interesting that you characterize all illegal voters as "Democrats". Exactly how are they able to vote in the first place? Where are they getting their voter's registration cards? If that's the case, how are so many Republicans getting voted into local, state, and national positions in Arizona?
I'd say the agent making the claim being Hispanic kinda takes the race card out of the deck.... What I heard early on is the fire might have been set as a distraction. Mexican drug runners have been know to set false camp fires to "herd" DEA and BP away from the area they want to cross in.
 

mantisman51

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Exactly Reef. You Bionic said it was racism by people like me and BP and that we basically deserve this. You can't flip this one Bionic, your "all those brown people" comment revealed your true racism. You see no difference between American citizens and illegals from Central America. Guess what? Most Hispanics I know don't see themselves as Mexican or Costa Rican or whatever. They see themselves as American. You and your dem buddies see illegals as voters. Fox news has repeatedly showed Democratics :) passing voter registration papers to the people in those anti 1070 protests, including people with signs that said stuff like "Undocumented doesn't make me a criminal". How can you possibly justify a criminal act like arson by saying it's justified for us trying to stop criminals from disregarding our laws? You sir, and those who think like you, are encouraging this criminal behavior. But the good news is, despite people like you and the media, people all across America(of all races) are waking up to this invasion of criminals.
 
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