Flame Angel Develops Ich Overnight? Help Please!

[yannifish]

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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/384607/flame-angel-develops-ich-overnight-help-please/20#post_3370152
Sounds good just a note on the lowering of salinity and then bringing it up to normal levels. The consensus of opinion is that fish can handle a faster drop in salinity then they can handle a rapid rise
Yes, I am aware of that, that's why I'm not being overly careful with how fast I'm dropping it. Thanks.
As for raising the salinity when the time comes, I was thinking about just topping off with concentrated saltwater until the salinity is back to normal. Will this take too long?

 

[florida joe]

longer is better (meowzer said so) you want to get back to normal salinity after a weeks time of a constant progression in salinity

 

[yannifish]

Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/384607/flame-angel-develops-ich-overnight-help-please/40#post_3370171
longer is better (meowzer said so) you want to get back to normal salinity after a weeks time of a constant progression in salinity
Hahahaha.
Where is Meowzer anyway? I'm surprised she hasn't said anything here.
So topping of with a high salinity saltwater will be a good method for raising the salinity?
I just dripped in the third pitcher, so I'll let that mix for an hour and see what the salinity is.

 

[meowzer]

Right here....what is there to say

yes to your question....that is a good way to raise it.

 

[yannifish]

Right on cue, as always. Lol.
If I were to replace five gallons of saltwater with freshwater in a ten gallon tank, shouldn't there be a pretty big change in salinity?
I've nearly replaced that much, and I'm only down to 27 ppt. Measuring with a refractometer.
And I think it does make a difference if the room the tank is in is dark or not. The spots are back. So I'm assuming they are always there, I just can't see them during the day.

 

[yannifish]

Should I be worried about the fish dying from the ich on it right now? Would a freshwater dip be a good idea, to knock off the parasites on it right now?
I was just thinking about that. The hypo isn't going to do anything about the ich on the fish now.
Will the fishes immune system be okay with the ich on it right now?

 

[kiefers]

I was actually watching fresh dipping on youtube today. seems very harsh and IMO should be the last resort. However, although effective I would do what Joe said with the hypo. Actually, he may have mentioned this for a fresh dip as well, dunno, put an air stone in the container, watch ph and try to match the tempuratue to the tank, in your case the QT, and try to keep the fish swimming for atleast 3-4 minutes. The Angel my lay on it's side for a few but gently tap the fish and and get it swimming. I'm sure someone will chime in with more experience and if it saves your fish I hope so.
However, according to your last few posts, the visual signs comes and goes and the fish acts fine right? Keep an eye on it and be patient for your patient.

Are you still feeding with garlic? Good luck

 

[yannifish]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/384607/flame-angel-develops-ich-overnight-help-please/40#post_3370268
I was actually watching fresh dipping on youtube today. seems very harsh and IMO should be the last resort. However, although effective I would do what Joe said with the hypo. Actually, he may have mentioned this for a fresh dip as well, dunno, put an air stone in the container, watch ph and try to match the tempuratue to the tank, in your case the QT, and try to keep the fish swimming for atleast 3-4 minutes. The Angel my lay on it's side for a few but gently tap the fish and and get it swimming. I'm sure someone will chime in with more experience and if it saves your fish I hope so.
However, according to your last few posts, the visual signs comes and goes and the fish acts fine right? Keep an eye on it and be patient for your patient.

Are you still feeding with garlic? Good luck
Yup, I should get the salinity down to hypo levels today. My only concern is with the parasites in the trophont stage on the fish right now.
As of right now, the fish is still behaving normally. Should I take this as a sign that it's going fine?
Actually, I haven't started feeding with garlic. I'll feed some mysis this morning, and stop by a the chain pet store in my town to see what they have for vitamin additives.

 

[yannifish]

Okay, just fed garlic soaked mysis. She really liked that, ate every piece I put in in under a minute. And I accidentally put in a fair bit. So, she has some garlic in her now.
My salinity is only down to 25 ppt.

I'll work on getting it down today. Right now I'm fighting with a heater, trying to get the freshwater to 80 degrees (I'm either at 90 degrees or 70 degrees, there is no in between). But, once I get the temp within a couple degrees I'll add some freshwater.

 

[kiefers]

what we did was made a big batch of the fresh water in a bin put our heater on 78 degrees. that way we always have some We bought down the salinity to 1.009. Frustrating huh?

 

[florida joe]

What we need to understand is how the two main ways the ick parasite leads to the death of our fish. 1. If a large enough population of parasites infects the gills they can in fact reduce respiration to the point of death 2. They open the fish up to secondary infections that can lead to death.
FYI the white spots that are seen are not the parasites, but the skin reaction of the fish.to the parasite
As far as fresh water dip. I personally only use it when a fish is showing definite signs that the gills are impacted and immediate action is needed or the fish will die

 

[kiefers]

well stated..... Last resort. I think you may have misunderstood my last statement. I wasn't going with the fresh dip, only that we had the salinity reduced, tempurature at 78 - 80 at hand to lower the salinity in the QT. I read my last statement after reading yours and thought better be more specific.

 

[kiefers]

well ..... back to building my grill, only takes an hour my butt!! Usually I have extra parts, today I am short 3 parts......... can we cus on this channel?

 

[yannifish]

Okay, so as of now I shouldn't be worried about the immediate death of the fish?
Still working on getting the salinity down. Had a slight problem with the pH of the freshwater, and that tooks some time to resolve.
Fish is doing well though. She's picking around at the PVC a lot, so I think I'll put some nori in for her. She seems hungry.

 

[kiefers]

coooool

 

[yannifish]

How's the grill coming?
There is still snow on my grill...

 

[kiefers]

grill is completed and zero extra parts!! Always a good thing. The grill is huge! Looking forward in cookin some fish and cow on it!! (hehehehhe). Hows your little project coming along?
62 degrees in Fort Wayne, IN. today

 

[yannifish]

Specific gravity is 1.011!

Not quite there yet, but close. I'll drop it down to 1.008 tomorrow.
Ugh, 34 degrees where I am. Snow is nearly gone though.

 

[kiefers]

mat I ask what you keep yoour salinity at in your DT and what your salinity was in your QT before the drop?

 

[yannifish]

35 ppt in both the DT and the QT prior to hypo.
Angel is doing well, she seemed perfectly normal this morning. She's still eating very aggressively.