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nina&noah

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3133581
Is that a cat behind it in those pics???
That is one BIGGGG snake...YIKES
I can't decide if that is a cat or a dog.
It is definatly some sort of fuzzy creature. Which makes me think....what do you feed a 400 pound snake? I'm thinking the occasional rat or bunny isn't going to cut it.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3133587
I know. Whoever wrote that article is an idiot. "That snake is the one of the biggest I've ever scene."
Really?%%

Maybe it was a written statement, and the reporter wanted to be accurate?
In seriousness, have you ever met a reporter?

Originally Posted by nina&noah

http:///forum/post/3133589
I can't decide if that is a cat or a dog.
It is definatly some sort of fuzzy creature. Which makes me think....what do you feed a 400 pound snake? I'm thinking the occasional rat or bunny isn't going to cut it.
They're rabbit carcasses. There's a couple laying around (in pic #4 on the slideshow, the snake is on one).
 

keri

Active Member
Oh Wow! What a gorgeous Burm - she really does look fat and sassy and is being kept in a good sized enclosure - it's just plain stupid Not to have a locking gate but really she looks like she's been well taken care of. The rabbits were her dinner - the Wildlife people interrupted her dinner!!
 

ophiura

Active Member
Quite a beauty. She looks to be overall in quite good health...no sign of shed issues or anything and good weight IMO. Not like the snake that killed the toddler for sure. The one at the aquarium where I used to work, which is 20+ feet, has all manner of problems. I can't believe they didn't have a lock on it especially after all the news.
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3133676

They're rabbit carcasses. There's a couple laying around (in pic #4 on the slideshow, the snake is on one).
Please forgive my ignorance, because I know NOTHING about snakes. I thought that looked like a bunny in picture number 4, but I thought that snakes ate their prey alive and whole. The animal in the first picture was laying down, so it confused me. That has to get expensive.
Don't cute little floppy eared bunnies go for $30-$40?
I know I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I don't care how well taken care of that snake is...18 feet long and 400 pounds is just too much. I'm sorry, but these snakes should not be legal. I wouldn't want to live in the neighborhood with the person who owns this snake!
 

ophiura

Active Member
No, I would actually say most of these snakes will readily feed on dead rabbits, etc once they are properly (being the active word) acclimated if you will. They are not the sort of thing that you need to fear in the neighborhood...I would be more afraid of a lot of the dogs around here than something like this is properly housed. They are not fast moving snakes or anything and there is nothing "about" an owner of such a snake that makes them bad or something.
 

nina&noah

Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/3133812
No, I would actually say most of these snakes will readily feed on dead rabbits, etc once they are properly (being the active word) acclimated if you will. They are not the sort of thing that you need to fear in the neighborhood...I would be more afraid of a lot of the dogs around here than something like this is properly housed. They are not fast moving snakes or anything and there is nothing "about" an owner of such a snake that makes them bad or something.
I wasn't trying to imply that a snake owner is bad. I'm just thinking that you can't domesticate a snake and a 400 lb snake could kill anything it wanted dead. I would hate to think of what it could do to a family pet or a child playing in their yard. Maybe this is bad information, but I was told that snakes are escape artists.
 

coral keeper

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3133806
Please forgive my ignorance, because I know NOTHING about snakes. I thought that looked like a bunny in picture number 4, but I thought that snakes ate their prey alive and whole. The animal in the first picture was laying down, so it confused me. That has to get expensive.
Don't cute little floppy eared bunnies go for $30-$40?
I know I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but I don't care how well taken care of that snake is...18 feet long and 400 pounds is just too much. I'm sorry, but these snakes should not be legal. I wouldn't want to live in the neighborhood with the person who owns this snake!
Snakes are normally fed dead animals as live prey can be extremely dangerous for them because it can injure the snake and the snake can get an infection. A good snake owner would never feed a live animal to a captive snake. You say how about in the wild? Well, in the wild they hunt when they are hungry, in captivity, if you throw in live prey and the snake isn't really hungry the live prey can do some serious dmg to the snake as it is really scared. That's what I was told anyways...
If the snake is well fed(and it looks like it is) it won't do anything to anyone. I have to agree with ophiura, I'd be way more afraid of dogs than a very well fed snake.
 

ophiura

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There was a approx 14' python where I worked that was not a good "striker." My former boss threw a rat in there and the rat ended up biting the snake. Not a good thing. IMO one of the bigger issues with people keeping snakes like this is that they often don't know how to care for it which causes situations like with the toddler. Ultimately some will release them and make matters worse as well. You have little to worry about even if you had a snake like that turn up in the yard, IMO. Sounds crazy but it is pretty true.
 

beth

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Staff member
Once a burm gets over 8', then you really have to start thinking in terms of having more than one person to help handle the snake. I actually handled a 8' burm once which had a terrible shed at the pet shop and the owner didn't know what to do about it. I spend a few hours with the snake getting his shed off. He was very sweat and docile, a real trooper, but he could have caused me some distress if he had a mind to. These are powerful animals, pure muscle.
I do agree that such snakes should only be kept with strick regulation. This owner has likely had the snake for many many years and is quite attached to it.
 

ophiura

Active Member
Oh absolutely wouldn't handle one without another person. They could cause real damage even with no intent to do it. I wonder about this situation, like if the brother maybe didn't lock it while caring for it or if in fact there just was no lock ever.
 

keri

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I do see where you're coming from Nina, it IS a very BIG, non-domesticated animal but if handled properly poses little real threat, a snake like that would need at least two people to handle it at all times but it looks very well fed and if the brother was comfortable enough to attempt to go in there alone I doubt it's very aggressive :) It's in human nature to mistrust the unknown, especially if it doesn't fit the usual standard of "cute".
You know what's Bigger, WAY More common and hurts a LOT More people every year?
Horses.
It's just horses don't have "scary" faces on them so they don't get a bad rap, but you're way more likely to be seriously injured by a horse than a properly handled snake. And a horse may not eat your little dog but I've seen many small (and large!) dogs seriously injured or killed by horses. (And it wasn't even for a good reason like "hunger" they just spooked!)
I have a small dog as well, and multiple snakes - you just have to be smart about it, the two do not interact and there are locking cages for a reason :)
 

beth

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Any animal can and will kill. The pet cat will kill birdy if birdy wasn't in a cage. And wouldn't even bother to eat birdy. Just get pleasure from the kill. Dogs kill cats for nothing; cats will kill lizards, frogs, rodents, etc., and not eat.
A snake will strike if it is threatened and cornered, it prefers a way out though rather then face a threat. A snake will hunt another animal only because it is hungry and needs to eat; or its the mating season...
Even killings by Burmese pythons are usually completely by accident. Such as somebody who wants to sleep with their 10-footer. The python will curl around a warm body, and a python will just constrict because that is in its nature. A desire to kill doesn't enter. The girl in FLA recently was, unfortunately, prey. That snake was so obviously not taken care of and was underfed. A snake, especially a pet snake used to humans, will rarely see a human as prey....unless they're starving.
Domesticated animals pose a bigger threat to humans than you may think, just by some of the diseases they carry.
 

aw2x3

Active Member
Had to chime in, on this.
My big boy, Brutus, is larger than the snake that was shown on that video. There's no way that snake weighs 400lb. I believe this to be another attempt, by the media, to blow things out of proportion. Brutus is every bit of 18' long and weighs in (as of a few weeks ago) at only 214lb. I'd bet any amount of money that if they take that Florida snake and weigh it, it'd weigh no more than 200lb...a far cry from anything close to 400lb. They showed two grown men handling that snake...it takes 4, to pick up, stretch out and carry around my snake.
While I applaud the good care, that snake was given, this is just another nail in the coffin for us responsible snake keepers. A little bit of common sense and you'd know it's rediculous to keep any large snake in an area where it can escape...one article I read about this incident says the snake had just escaped the day before it was removed.
Now, on to the handling. While I agree that it's imperative that you have help handling large snakes, I do not think it's required for every snake. You do this hobby long enough and you begin to learn your animals, just as if they were dogs or cats. You can tell different attitudes from day to day. There are signs, that my large snakes will give me, that tell me that it's not a good day to handle alone. They may be more inquisitive, more active, seem more aggitated, etc and I'll know that something could go wrong.
Brutus is not handled alone, simply because I cannot pull his 215lb out of the enclosure, put him around my neck and carry him around the house, as I can do with every other snake I have. I'll take my 14' female out, throw her around my neck and carry her around the house, while I'm cleaning her cage. The only thing I have to worry about is her stretching out and knocking things off of shelves, as I walk by.
All Burms are "hissers". This is very normal, very common thing. It doesn't mean they're aggitated or defensive. My 14' female can hiss, I'll laugh at her, tell her stop being so mean and go ahead and pull her out and handle her, with non reservations, what so ever.
All decent to large Retics will continually hiss. Every breath they take, they'll hiss and continue to hiss the entire time they're out of their enclosure. As us long time hobbiests say, they're just "talkers".
Out 10' male Reticulated Python (who's wild caught, come to find out), does not like Heather, at all. She can handle him and he'll strike at her and just generally does not like being around her. He's struck numerous times, at her and not even a minute later, I've walked over, grabbed him and pulled him from his enclosure (fully expecting to get bitten) and he's puppy dog.
You can't get these animals, lock them in cages and expect to keep them there, without handling and think they're going to be ok to handle. You throw a snake in a cage and have no interaction besides cleaning, food and water and good luck. You get a snake and handle it as often as possible, get it used to being handled and 99.9% are going to be completely docile.
Now, after saying all of this...I do keep a bottle of Vodka, in my snake room, in the event that I'm handling alone (home alone) and something happens. They're not puppies and even after 10 - 15 years in captivity, there's always a chance something could go wrong.
 
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