Global Warming?

cowfishrule

Active Member
Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2482402
I concur and I will also go as far as to include China. Why do we continue to give them "Favorite Nation" trading status when they commit crimes against humanity to their citizens and in particular females.
$$$
cuba: communist= shun them
n korea: communist= shun them
china: communist= love them, sold our entire economy to them
hypocrisy (sp) at its finest.
 

cowfishrule

Active Member
unfortunatly, gasoline engines are by far the most efficient. (around 70%)
matter of physics.
alternative fuels are myths supported by tree huggers.
exceptions: wind power, hydro electric (waterfalls, rivers, dams, etc)
 

mfp1016

Member
Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2482566
unfortunatly, gasoline engines are by far the most efficient. (around 70%)
matter of physics.
alternative fuels are myths supported by tree huggers.
exceptions: wind power, hydro electric (waterfalls, rivers, dams, etc)
Gas engines are not 70% efficient. I think at best its around 25%.
 

cowfishrule

Active Member
remembered it:
also- the "alternative fuel" guys.
you know, "ethenol is the future way in fuel"
guess they never took into account that its made with the same materials that we eat.
hot damn !
theoretically, we are burning our food supply. what happens in the case of major draught in the midwest (the epicenter of our corn fields).
do we eat, or do we drive?
another gread idea, gore.
 

sigmachris

Active Member
Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2482564
Cost of producing, infrastructure aside.
I have a follow up question...I am not trying to debate you, just trying to get a better idea for myself.
Using ball park numbers since I don't shop for Ethynol. My understanding is that Ethynol is cheaper to buy than gas, but the miles per gallon is 15% to 20% less efficient.
87 Octane Gas sells for $3.00 per gallon here in Cincinnati.
Ethynol gas sells for $2.50
How does Ethynol sell for less if it costs more to produce? Is the government subsidizing Ethynol or is there another factor that I am not seeing?
Once again, not trying to debate or disprove you, just trying to understand.
Thanks,
Chris
 

bdhutier

Member
What about running veggie oil in a diesel engine (typically waste oil)? I know some people who have done it, with no noticable power loss, and slightly better mileage. I was going to do it when I get my truck, but for purely economic reasons (sorry tree-huggers).
 

bdhutier

Member
Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2482588
How does Ethynol sell for less if it costs more to produce? Is the government subsidizing Ethynol or is there another factor that I am not seeing?
I know they are subsidizing, but not sure if that would account for the price difference. It wouldn't matter, though. You're paying more in the end to get the same ethanol bang for your petroleum-gallon buck.
 

mfp1016

Member
Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2482588
I have a follow up question...I am not trying to debate you, just trying to get a better idea for myself.
Using ball park numbers since I don't shop for Ethynol. My understanding is that Ethynol is cheaper to buy than gas, but the miles per gallon is 15% to 20% less efficient.
87 Octane Gas sells for $3.00 per gallon here in Cincinnati.
Ethynol gas sells for $2.50
How does Ethynol sell for less if it costs more to produce? Is the government subsidizing Ethynol or is there another factor that I am not seeing?
Once again, not trying to debate or disprove you, just trying to understand.
Thanks,
Chris
Ethanol isn't wrapped up in politics, nor does it have the disapproval of environmentalists. This is probably the best argument against using oil. Ethanol is produced locally, and yes it is partially subsidized. We haven't built any new refineries nor do utilize vary many local sources of oil in fact due to several fairly new mandates gas can't be produced as cheaply as it used to be. Sans OPEC, sans politics, gas would be very cheap again.
Also don't forget that ethanol only works for a defined size of population. On a large scale, ie like oil, ethanol would be extremely expensive due to the cost of production, fertilizers. I also point out the fact that vegetables don't produce as much photosynthesis as do grass and trees, thus the the reallocation of land for corn growing.
Lastly, look around you, at least 90% of the things you see around you are derived from oil. The prices of these things would sky rocket if we didn't refine oil in the volume that we do. I'm all for decreasing oil dependency so that we can utilize oil for plastics, etc. I just don't think this needs to be a media/marketing matter. With time someone will find something that really is beneficial, but until then our current alternatives are useless.
 
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