Golf pro kills red shouldered hawk

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2509130
he never said he was trying to hit the bird, he said he was trying to hit the TREE that the bird was sitting in.
From ESPN.com
But film crew members who witnessed the killing saw it differently.
"He was just going strangely out of the way to go after it," said Jethro Senger, a sound engineer at the shoot. "And it was almost, the whole thing was basically like a joke to him. The balls were getting closer and closer. 'Haha, look how close that one came.' 'That one was even closer.'
"I yelled at him," Senger said. "I said, 'What did you expect was going to happen?," Senger said. "I said, 'You're a pro golfer, you're hitting line drives right at it."
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2509136
I am not saying "make", but a 4 inch cup (damn I'm a golf pro, and I can't remember the exact width of the cup) is not the same as a Hawk, I am not saying it wasn't a lucky/unlucky shot, but make no mistake whatsoever, this was nowhere near one in million, more like 1 in 50 or less.
and I disagree, that's not a 1 in 50 or less shot.
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2509139
From ESPN.com
But film crew members who witnessed the killing saw it differently.
"He was just going strangely out of the way to go after it," said Jethro Senger, a sound engineer at the shoot. "And it was almost, the whole thing was basically like a joke to him. The balls were getting closer and closer. 'Haha, look how close that one came.' 'That one was even closer.'
"I yelled at him," Senger said. "I said, 'What did you expect was going to happen?," Senger said. "I said, 'You're a pro golfer, you're hitting line drives right at it."

good, then let's put him on trial and have the "bird trial of the century".
 

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2509140
and I disagree, that's not a 1 in 50 or less shot.

Well, ok we can agree to disagree...I will just say this and hope it dosen't sound arrogant as that is not my intention...I played golf for a living (not very successfully I will say) for 2 years and have taught golf for 10 years and I don't think hitting a bird from 75 yards by a PGA Tour player giving numerous opportunities is that shocking....Again just my opionion.
Ok, just my "expert" opinion....

I think I have earned it.
 

pontius

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2509155
Well, ok we can agree to disagree...I will just say this and hope it dosen't sound arrogant as that is not my intention...I played golf for a living (not very successfully I will say) for 2 years and have taught golf for 10 years and I don't think hitting a bird from 75 yards by a PGA Tour player giving numerous opportunities is that shocking....Again just my opionion.
Ok, just my "expert" opinion....

I think I have earned it.
ok, that's fine. I know a guy named Dustin Johnson that is a rookie on the tour and is currently in the low 30s on the money list or whatever it's called. he was the #1 collegiate player in the country last year. the next time I see him, I'll ask him if that's a "1 in 50 shot", but I bet I know what he'll say already. and I tried to find some info on this Tripp Isenhour, and could not find anything other than the bird incident. is he a better or worse golfer than Dustin Johnson?
 

reefraff

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Now I could see giving these guys jail time

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Audubon wants stiffer penalties for killing migratory birds
Posted by The Oregonian October 15, 2007 23:35PM
Frustrated by the sentence of two Portland-area pigeon hobbyists who tried to kill protected hawks and raptors, the Audubon Society of Portland wants Congress to establish more severe penalties for killing migratory birds.
The group says U.S. District Judge Ancer Haggerty broke faith with the public last week by letting the two pigeon keepers off with $4,000 each in penalties and a year of probation.
Audubon wants stiffer penalties for killing migratory birds
Posted by The Oregonian October 15, 2007 23:35PM
Frustrated by the sentence of two Portland-area pigeon hobbyists who tried to kill protected hawks and raptors, the Audubon Society of Portland wants Congress to establish more severe penalties for killing migratory birds.
The group says U.S. District Judge Ancer Haggerty broke faith with the public last week by letting the two pigeon keepers off with $4,000 each in penalties and a year of probation.
Audubon officials said the sentence for some of the most egregious offenses against birds in the region shows that courts do not take wildlife crimes seriously enough.
Prosecutors had asked that the men each be ordered to pay $10,000, and the defense attorney for one of the men suggested a fine of $7,500, said Bob Sallinger, conservation director at the Audubon Society of Portland. The prosecutors cited public outrage over the case, in which one of the men boasted of suffocating hawks in garbage bags.
The sentences Haggerty issued, were "nothing more than a stiff slap on the wrist," Sallinger said. Although the penalties were substantial for the charges involved - misdemeanor violations of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act - they did not match the nature of the crimes, he said. "These cases send a terrible message to both future hawk killers and the community at large."
He is asking Oregon's congressional delegation to amend the Migratory Bird Treaty Act so that intentional wanton killing of protected birds could be treated as felonies carrying much stiffer sentences.
Jillian Schoene, a spokeswoman for U.S. Rep. David Wu, D-Ore., said Wu's office is discussing options with the Audubon Society.
Portland Mayor Tom Potter and Metro Council President David Bragdon had called for tough penalties against the men who targeted hawks and other raptors. Federal officials also received many letters and e-mails from the public calling for serious sanctions in the case.
The two men sentenced Thursday were Peter Kaufman and Ivan Hanchett. Both pleaded guilty. A third has pleaded guilty but has yet to be sentenced. Two others also have been charged.
Kaufman and Hanchett were leaders of a local group called the Northwest Roller Jockeys. Roller pigeons are known for their habit of tumbling in flight, which tends to attract hawks and other raptors preying on the pigeons. The men described to undercover agents their practice of trapping and killing the hawks.
Kaufman had a trap set in his Southeast Portland back yard to catch hawks or falcons, agents reported in court documents.
Hanchett told an agent that Kaufman had killed 30 hawks in a 45-day period. Hanchett admitted shooting hawks on many occasions, including an incident in which he shot a hawk with a shotgun
 

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2509161
ok, that's fine. I know a guy named Dustin Johnson that is a rookie on the tour and is currently in the low 30s on the money list or whatever it's called. he was the #1 collegiate player in the country last year. the next time I see him, I'll ask him if that's a "1 in 50 shot", but I bet I know what he'll say already. and I tried to find some info on this Tripp Isenhour, and could not find anything other than the bird incident. is he a better or worse golfer than Dustin Johnson?
Dustin has had a great start to the year and an impressive showing at Q School, but he is a rookie, and Tripp spent several years on the PGA Tour....I.e., before this incident, more people that follow golf knew whom Tripp was than Dustin.
Also from ESPN
According to court documents, Isenhour got upset when a red-shouldered hawk began making noise, forcing another take. He began hitting balls at the bird, then 300 yards away, but gave up. Isenhour started again when the hawk moved within about 75 yards, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officer Brian Baine indicated in a report.
Isenhour allegedly said "I'll get him now," and aimed for the hawk.

"About the sixth ball came very near the bird's head, and [Isenhour] was very excited that it was so close," Baine wrote.
A few shots later, witnesses said he hit the hawk. The bird, protected as a migratory species, fell to the ground bleeding from both nostrils.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2509155
Well, ok we can agree to disagree...I will just say this and hope it dosen't sound arrogant as that is not my intention...I played golf for a living (not very successfully I will say) for 2 years and have taught golf for 10 years and I don't think hitting a bird from 75 yards by a PGA Tour player giving numerous opportunities is that shocking....Again just my opionion.
Ok, just my "expert" opinion....

I think I have earned it.
Have you ever tried to hit an object in a tree? Just wondering how hard it would be to target something like that when (I assume here cause I don't golf) that isn't the way people usually line up their shots. My wife is a pretty decent golfer and she couldn't imagine being able to do that. Then again maybe she aint all that decent
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Dlauber
http:///forum/post/2508995
.... He was probally just hitting the balls near it to scare it out of the tree and not mean to kill it, ....

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2509041
where's the point in the story where it said he swung away until he finally hit it? the story I saw said he hit 3-4 balls in the general direction.....golfers don't routinely hit holes in one on a par 3 either. .....

Originally Posted by Dlauber

http:///forum/post/2509042
I am just not entirely convinced that he hit the bird intentionally. He may have said "ill get it this time" but I think that was merely for laughs. I dont think even he expected to hit it.....

Originally Posted by Pontius

http:///forum/post/2509130
he never said he was trying to hit the bird, he said he was trying to hit the TREE that the bird was sitting in.
Just a quick correction pontius, I never said "routinely" for par 3 hole in ones. I just said it happens.
Now, first, from the article posted at the beginning of the thread:
The golfer, pictured at right, initially responded by trying to strike the bird as it sat in a tree about 300 yards from where he was filming the video. Those attempts failed. But when the hawk later relocated to a tree much closer to the set and resumed its noisemaking, Isenhour again targeted the bird, announcing, "I'll get him now." Investigators allege that it took Isenhour about 10 tries to zero in on the hawk...

And now, from Fox News:
He began hitting balls at the bird, then 300 yards away, but gave up.
Isenhour started again when the hawk moved within about 75 yards, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officer Brian Baine indicated in a report. Isenhour allegedly said "I'll get him now," and aimed for the hawk
."About the sixth ball came very near the bird's head, and (Isenhour) was very excited that it was so close
," Baine wrote. A few shots later
, witnesses said he hit the hawk. The bird, protected as a migratory species, fell to the ground bleeding from both nostrils.
 

kjr_trig

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2509186
Have you ever tried to hit an object in a tree? Just wondering how hard it would be to target something like that when (I assume here cause I don't golf) that isn't the way people usually line up their shots. My wife is a pretty decent golfer and she couldn't imagine being able to do that. Then again maybe she aint all that decent

One drill I will do with students is set up hula hoops at 3 different pitch yardages, say 40, 50, and 60 yards away just to have them "feel" the difference in the shots, I am often impressed with the results even with the amatuer students...If you ever watch the "Big Break", they have set up small glass panes at certain distances, and the competitors try to hit the panes....I assure you no one whom has ever been on the big break is as good as Tripp, but I have seen some panes broken.
Oh, but to answer your question, yes I have tried to hit objects in trees, with minimal success...."Those that can't play...teach"
 

reefraff

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According to what this guy says it doesn't seem like the guy really thought he could hit it.
"He just kept saying how he didn't think he could have hit it, which I think is a stupid thing for a PGA Tour golfer to say," said Jethro Senger, a sound engineer at the shoot. "He can put a ball in a hole from hundreds of yards away, and here he is hitting line drives at something that's, I don't know, a couple hundred feet away?"
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2509204
One drill I will do with students is set up hula hoops at 3 different pitch yardages, say 40, 50, and 60 yards away just to have them "feel" the difference in the shots, I am often impressed with the results even with the amatuer students...If you ever watch the "Big Break", they have set up small glass panes at certain distances, and the competitors try to hit the panes....I assure you no one whom has ever been on the big break is as good as Tripp, but I have seen some panes broken.
Oh, but to answer your question, yes I have tried to hit objects in trees, with minimal success...."Those that can't play...teach"
LOL, I kinda figured that would be sort of an odd type of shot to make but then again you never know, I could see maybe practicing such a thing in case you ever needed to attempt to shoot through a opening in a tree to get out of a bad shot.
 

socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2509186
Have you ever tried to hit an object in a tree? Just wondering how hard it would be to target something like that when (I assume here cause I don't golf) that isn't the way people usually line up their shots. My wife is a pretty decent golfer and she couldn't imagine being able to do that. Then again maybe she aint all that decent

This reminds me of a story my dad used to tell me about when he was in the army. While stationed in Japan he was taught to snow ski as part of his training.
He said "shooting something stationary is easy.
Shooting a moving target is easy.
Shooting a stationary target while you're moving is fairly easy.
Shooting a moving target while skiing down a mountain is pretty darn hard".
Not sure where this fits, but I was remembering my dad so I posted it.

They guy tried several times to hit the bird. He hit and killed the bird. Whatever the intent, he tried and tried until the life was knocked out of another living creature. It's OK, though. It was only a bird. I'm sure some aliens are looking at us right now thinking "they're only humans, lets kill a few for fun". (I don't really believe this part about the aliens if anyone was wondering)
 
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