Got a Hippo today. Wedged under rock

cam78

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I know this is typical behavior from a hippo but how long will it do this for? I got it around 12:00 PM today, dripped it for a few hours then let it float in a bag before putting it in the QT. The QT has a piece of LR about a fist size and a handful of LS from my refuge. This Hippo has been under this rock for hours. Does this mean anything? Should I put more LR in so it does not get too stressed? Any advice is cool.
 

meowzer

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Just leave it alone....stay back from the tank some...don't startle it.....it will adjust to your tank in time
 

cam78

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Well he is in my QT right now. Im assuming this will start all over again when I put him in DT?
 

meowzer

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It will happen quite often with a hippo actually.....anytime you approach the tank quickly, or someone it is not used to does, it will hide
 

tangs rule

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Tomorrow I'd add some dark coffee cups and/or large PVC elbows to give him more places to hide...He's had a long bad day today and is likely kinda stressed out. I agree to leave him alone 2nite. but tomorrow morn before lights on, I'd try to add some more stuff for him to hide in....just NOT rock/sand....
Using liverock&sand in a Qtine tank is not the best thing, as the rock&sand will absorb any copper/formalin meds you may have to add to treat ich, making maintain a stable daily treatment level hard to do. Then, if any of this rock/sand is ever add back to the main tank, the copper or formalin will leach back out of the rock/sand and can kill any corals/inverts in the main. Remember all meds have a narrow window of treatment level between doing nothing, killing parasites, and too much meds - you kill fish. A stable daily level of treatment is best!
Also ALL worms/pods/scuds in & on your sand/rock NOW will also die right quick as soon as you start medicating with copper or formalin and likely cause a spike in bad water parameters.
Hippos sleep on their side wedged under/against somthing dark. This is also their "flight" response and they prefer to hide like this... This makes it very hard to rid them of ich, cause when a parasite is done feeding and leaves the fish - it goes to the bottom of the tank to cyst and multiply 200+ times.....then when it hatches - guess who may be sleeping on top of it? ?
this is a very sucessful qtine tank I am using right now to rid a longnose butterfly of ich.....just lots of inert&easy to clean coffee cups/pvc.....there is nothing in the tank that is porus or will absorb meds....This fish has just under 2 weeks to go and should be clear. I have used this setup with excellent results for 10 years now. Most fishes prefer the darker cups to white ones or 3" pvc..
Edit: Never use red clay type flower pots - most are not glazed and are porus and will leach bad things into qt water, and they also absorb meds, just like rock.
 

hawkfish203

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Yea they really do, do that alot. Mine has gotten pretty good lately when I put the algae on the clip he'll let me actually pet him. Only way he lays flat now is if im messing around in the sump vibrating the tank. EARTHQUAKE!!!!!! Neat idea TR.
 

cam78

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Good stuff TR. But can we be a little more optimistic? Hopefully I wont have to use any meds!! :)
 

djleder

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Yeah, don't worry my first Hippo Tang had a habit of lying flat inside a little crevice inside one of my rocks and would stay there for hours
 

cam78

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Ok going on more than 24 hours and still wedged under rock. I put some PVC fittings in there to take more cover too. I have a feeling he's not gonna make it!!! AHHHH!!!!
 

tangs rule

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Originally Posted by CAM78 http:///forum/thread/383931/got-a-hippo-from-this-site-today-wedged-under-rock#post_3361492
Ok going on more than 24 hours and still wedged under rock. I put some PVC fittings in there to take more cover too. I have a feeling he's not gonna make it!!! AHHHH!!!!
O kay - this is what I want you to do - ASAP
Remove EVERYTHING from the tank that he can hide/lay under.....and preferably no sand either (or minimal) leave him NO place to hide..for now..
Ideally, I want a bare Qtine tank with nothing but heater/filter/light/ and airstone&air pump (if u got it)/small powerhead.
Not only remove everything he can hide under - but do this when lights on....MAKE HIM SWIM! ! !
Put a veggie clip 4" from the bottom glass, and stock with a 2"x2" square piece of NORI, red AND/or green, best soaked in selcon for 10 minutes prior to feeding him...if no sheet nori u have - get it asap! - see local sushi restaurant or china market. (green nori is toasted & ok - red is dryed & better) If that is nogo -still remove all tank hiding places and feed (attempt) whatever dry pellet/flake u have.... but bare tank him, now - force him to come out for somthing/some reason- give NO places to hide.....make him search for safety, and maybe he'll get used to NO place to hide, but stumble across food - again & again,,,,and maybe eat..
get the nori sheet or flake macro seaweed quick.... Selcon will never hurt, but that's just vitamins & longer term care - but primarily, he's gonna need food sooon!!! Also try feeding frozen mysis shrimp or frozen brine shrime - available at ***** & petsmart......Emerald entree or frozen Formula 2 by Ocean Nutrition is good too....be prepared to purchase all these u can find... and offer a bit of EACH very soon, like today....
I have Qtined dozens of paracanthurus hepatus Tangs, (for many firends) and am very familiar with behaviors of the good, bad, and the ugly......yours has likely decided to hide & die, rather than eat/explore, and has decided to waste away due to lack of food - or is afflicted with parasites and that could be why he will not eat/come out....either way, give him NO place to hide, or he'll likely just stay there - shrivel up - and starve.......regardless of what other ailments he MAY have....I have seen this behavior before..but he must eat soon!
Remember that u cannot save a fish that will not eat.....he must eat first, and almost at force if need be -and then
we can figure out what ailments he may have and begin to treat that issue.....- but If he does not eat, he'll not make it thru this wekend. And if he does not eat, he'll never survive the several weeks it takes to make thru medications/treatment for any ailments he may have....
Also report any odd skin discolorations, bumps, salt like specs/fast respiration/any scratching he may do - anything out of the ordinary----in a bare tank, he'll have NO place to hide it - but we need to know these aspects soon too - as IME a hippo that just lays/hides too much has some other problem and does not want to confront it & would rather waste away.
If he's still alive by the time U read this, please PM me if anything here is unclear...I'll PM you you my cell# and if we can get this fella eating by this saturday, I'll gaurentee my advice with cash that we can make a great hippo out of him oneday. The hippo tang is why I got into the hobby in 2001, and I've even force fed some with syringes, just to save them.
 

cam78

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WOW, thank you so much. In my possession I have Green Marine Algae with garlic extract made by Ocean Nutrition. Should I try that first or go out now and get Nori? Also everything you wrote is super clear and understood. Being that the QT is in my basement it runs seperate lighting from my display. At night, lights go on until about 8:00 AM. Should I just turn on the lights now and do what you say or let him rest until tonight then try this?
 

tangs rule

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Quote:
Originally Posted by CAM78 http:///forum/thread/383931/got-a-hippo-from-this-site-today-wedged-under-rock#post_3361668
WOW, thank you so much. In my possession I have Green Marine Algae with garlic extract made by Ocean Nutrition. Should I try that first or go out now and get Nori? Also everything you wrote is super clear and understood. Being that the QT is in my basement it runs seperate lighting from my display. At night, lights go on until about 8:00 AM. Should I just turn on the lights now and do what you say or let him rest until tonight then try this?
Try to get some nori, and even some marine S by hikari - also if u have peto/petsmart/lfs - go head and get a selection of marine omnivoir/herbivoir foods..also get a feeding clip - they help.....get some frozen mysis& or brine....lemme know what u can get...
on finiky eaters, I';ve even soaked some type of food- nori or pellet and ground/mashed it up by fingers and "polluted" the water with it.....just to really encourage him to eat....
yes this is a PITA process, cause u gotta do a large waterchange the next day r 2 & vaccuum out all the uneaten food, but sometimes u gotta really really show them what food is
I have force fed by syringe, but I'll not get into that yet..
also_ how big is this hippo? legnth ?
any signs of parasite/infection?
how pinched is his belly?
what is the sg of the QT water he is in?
lemme know your answers asap
ken
edit: the smaller they are - the harder they are to feed! - but i've got a plan
 

cam78

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Ok I got Nori. Also got Zoecon. Added a little to the Nori and I am letting it soak now. I will put it in the tank in a few minutes. Its only a 10 gallon. The sand I put in is only a handful and thea was to get the bio going. Am I suppose to have this nori with Zoecon in water or just let it sit on the nori dry? Its on the Nori dry right now. Oh yeah, impossible to get "One drop". It like pours out.
 

tangs rule

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Don't need to worry now about vitamins/additives (but it'll help later) - the goal is to find somthing he'll begin eating.....If you can get him to eat anything - it's a great start....usually when tangs spend all daylight hours hiding/laying they don't wanna eat anything. So it is best to offer a selection of foods, and watch from a distance - looking for that "feeding" / "pecking" response......then find out what specifically he's eating, and offer that specifically..even if it's just short term.....alot of times once a hippo begins eating SOMTHING - he will accept other things within days or a week
I've found even dried tiny pellet foods can begin a feeding cycle..
since ur online cam , can you answer the questions I posted in #14
tr
 

cam78

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Its a 10 gallon tank, he is about 3-3 1/2 inches long. It does not appear to be any signs of health issues and his color is actually nice. Pinched belly I don't really see. He has some specs on his tail but I think its just sand stuck to it. Salt is at 1.025
 

tangs rule

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Quote:
Originally Posted by CAM78 http:///forum/thread/383931/got-a-hippo-from-this-site-today-wedged-under-rock#post_3361792
Its a 10 gallon tank, he is about 3-3 1/2 inches long. It does not appear to be any signs of health issues and his color is actually nice. Pinched belly I don't really see. He has some specs on his tail but I think its just sand stuck to it. Salt is at 1.025
Qtine tank size is OK.....good to hear he is 3-3.5,,,,,,,,when they are like 2 - they can be very hard to feed, and are quite finiky.....No big signs of health issue & good color are very good signs....A lack of a pinched belly means u got time to figure out what he'll eat & that's good....
Questions:
1. is he eating yet? & what______
2. have u removed all his hiding places and left him a "bare" tank to swim in? (for now)
3. What is he doing in the tank NOW and what is his respiration level (avg/fast) ? I've seen hippos "ping pong" from side to side and that's a bad sign when they try to swim out of their own skin - or hyperventalate
4. Qtine tank temp?
1.025 is a little strong, as it's harder for him to produce the needed "fresh" water he uses and convert toxins&salt to urine....I'd SLOWLY - over the next couple days drop the sg to like .021/.020 or so.....it's just easier on his internals, and if a hypo / hypo&med combo is needed later on, that's just less you'll have to drop the overall sg...I hope u use refractometer - cause even sudden changes of only .003 can send him into shock and result in a "coma", then he'll drown...esp going UP in salinity...if using other type sg measuring tool, just make really really sure u are as accurate as can be with it......(fyi - reducing salinity is MUCH easier than increasing it.....going down is easy - it's going up that's tough on them & u can go down 2x as fast as going up, and I dont like exceeding .002/day change)
lemme know some observations for questions 1-4
 

cam78

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I am not home now to observe but before I left I looked at his breathing. It appeared to be okay. A little fast but not crazy. The only thing I did not like was the way he was swimming. He was trying to hide in a corner of the tank and he would swim toward it then tilt back as if he was trying to balance himself on his tail. Looked like a stuggle but Im not sure. Ill be home in a few hours to get more info. Everything is out of the tank.
 

tangs rule

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1st, before lights out, I would put 1 thing (dark thing like glass coffee cup) in the tank so he can sleep 2nite....Hippos really wanna lay on their side at night (and should) tucked under or as close to under something as they can get. But if he wants to stay there all day and not eat or come out, u have to remove it in AM and leave him nothing during daylight cycle. The goal here is to get him out of his shell and feeding during day rather than nesting on his side and hiding all day...he's gotta know where food is and where...
2nd - over a few days/a week - he'll realize nothing BAD is gonna happen during the day and there's no reason to stay laid on side....further - he'll hopefully begin eating what foods U provide and recognize them....and by then the cups/PVC/whatever in the tank can stay there 24/7 and he won't just lay there day & nite...
3rd - remember tangs have pretty good vision and are easily frightened - and the hippo flight response is to "lay down/hide/nestle under something"....so I watch/peek from a distance......this is why veggie clips and nori are good.....u can cut/tear a square piece, clip it in the tank 3-4" from bottom and go away for an hour.....When u come back - if the piece is different shape, he's likely fed on it..
4th - the swimming behavior & "tail standing" u mentioned is something I've never observed from a tang - this type of action could mean internal bladder (buoyancy) issues, and an inability to maintain proper orientation. BUT he could just as easily be trying to "hide" in the corner and "tuck" himself into it, since there's no where else to hide, and he's just tryin to dissapear and is still kinda stressed out....I bet it is the latter, as you have gotten one screwed up fish, who thinks the world is here to get him - and all there is to do is hide.....possibly someone at fedex attempted to learn to juggle with your shipment labeled "live fish -this end up"
most imporntantly - is he eating? anything?? That's the most critical - lemme know more when u get home - feel free to call -u have my #
 
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