Healthcare bill will pass the senate.

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3197176
Come on Oscar. At least when I go toe-to-toe with you, it's actually about real issues and simple diagreements about our personal beliefs. Veni does nothing but come on here spouting how "Change Is Coming", or "Our Founding Fathers, blah, blah, blah". I don't think he's ever made a lucid or thought out response in any comment he's ever posted in this forum. If he doesn't insult a particular person, he uses juvenile responses about groups of people he knows nothing about. As i said, "Once a troll, always a troll."
So, am I too off the wall when I quote a founding father?
I use Washington's farewell address all the time to illustrate points.
I've quoted Adams, and Jefferson.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3197199
I'm actually under the impressions from his posts that Veni almost has to be a member of some Neo-Nazi group. Being from Illinois I bet it is torture for him to watch the Blues Brothers movie and see everything he holds dear disrespected like that.
Fishtaco

Fishtaco,
Can you define "Nazi"?
I'll help it stands for National Socialist. Veni is not that far left.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3197152
sniff...sniff...

When Liberals attack!
whoever said I was a Liberal? My father made his living and supported my family by working for a defense contractor, designing radar systems for fighter jets. I grew up knowing that a powerful military was what put food on our table. You dont find too many liberals with that kind of background.
I have some of what would be considered "liberal" viewpoints on some issues such as religion, some types of gun control and a woman's right to choose what happens to her body, but other than that I am all for small government, low taxes, NO handouts and a strong military. I guess those things are just polar opposites to you and just dont compute in that pea brain of yours.
Doesnt change the fact that you are a rude, obnoxious DB that feels the need to insult anyone and everyone that doesnt 100% agree with whatever crap you are spouting.

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3196933
You need to do a little more research on birth control

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. They are used for other medical reasons besides keeping someone from getting pregnant. Doctors have prescribed birth control

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for hormonal and menopausal issues for women.
Maybe you need to do some more research as these are the issues I was talking about, not the contraceptive issue, on that front they have probably saved me many a time. But there are bad side effects to them as well and I still don't see how using alternatives to get the same result makes someone a worse doctor...

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3197418
Fishtaco,
Can you define "Nazi"?
I'll help it stands for National Socialist. Veni is not that far left.
Wow, after the ban-worthy crap Veni has been spouting your attacking me because I don't care for rascist's? How very conservative and remember if I don't buy into your politics as it is shoved down my throat, I must be a liberal. LOL
Fishtaco

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3197416
So, am I too off the wall when I quote a founding father?
I use Washington's farewell address all the time to illustrate points.
I've quoted Adams, and Jefferson.
Exactly what is the point in quoting someone who lived over 200 years ago? I suppose a historian gets something out of reading outdated comments that really don't fit in today's modern times. You may think those statements are prophetic in nature, but when it boils down to it, it's nothing more than history. I prefer to not live in the past. Some of that past with the individuals you speak of really wasn't all that glorious. Jefferson hoarded slaves, even having children with them, and the country was at war with it's own relatives and the country from whence they came. Is that the direction you choose our country to head towards? If you ask Veni, he's ready for another Civil War. Not a War Between The States, but the War of the Liberals vs. Conservatives. Choose your side, pull out your AR-15's, AK-47's, Uzi's, and every other semi-automatic weapon you own and start shooting at one another. That's what your Founding Fathers would do.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3197459
whoever said I was a Liberal?
And your answer is:
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3197459
I have some of what would be considered "liberal" viewpoints on some issues such as religion, some types of gun control and a woman's right to choose what happens to her body,

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3197459
Doesnt change the fact that you are a rude, obnoxious DB that feels the need to insult anyone and everyone that doesnt 100% agree with whatever crap you are spouting.
What was that you called me earlier???? Oh yeah it was "a-hole" You jumped into a conversation that you wherent even involved in to defend you liberal boyfriends and you call me rude and obnoxious? Hypocritical wouldnt you say?Or is it ok because you agree with the lefties so its ok?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3197535
Wow, after the ban-worthy crap Veni has been spouting your attacking me because I don't care for rascist's? How very conservative and remember if I don't buy into your politics as it is shoved down my throat, I must be a liberal. LOL
Fishtaco
You have called me a racist and a nazi now without any fact to back it up ,you have also said i am advocating armed revolution.Now im telling you to take your rhetoric and misguided assumptions and shove them up your sphincter .
If im guilty of anything ,its that I despise progressive liberals.
~Veni Vidi Vici

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3197547
Exactly what is the point in quoting someone who lived over 200 years ago? I suppose a historian gets something out of reading outdated comments that really don't fit in today's modern times. You may think those statements are prophetic in nature, but when it boils down to it, it's nothing more than history. I prefer to not live in the past. Some of that past with the individuals you speak of really wasn't all that glorious. Jefferson hoarded slaves, even having children with them, and the country was at war with it's own relatives and the country from whence they came. Is that the direction you choose our country to head towards? If you ask Veni, he's ready for another Civil War. Not a War Between The States, but the War of the Liberals vs. Conservatives. Choose your side, pull out your AR-15's, AK-47's, Uzi's, and every other semi-automatic weapon you own and start shooting at one another. That's what your Founding Fathers would do.
If you are building a house are you going to take the word of a subcontractor over the architect concerning design specs?
The founding fathers wrote the blue print. I find it very helpful to understand what they intended when the wrote the constitution and the amendments. Other than that I could give a north bound rat's southern hemisphere what they thought or said other than some interesting reading. Hell I bet a majority of people don't ever realize the concept of separation of church and state was contained in a letter Jefferson wrote to someone rather than a part of the constitution.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3197547
If you ask Veni, he's ready for another Civil War. Not a War Between The States, but the War of the Liberals vs. Conservatives. Choose your side, pull out your AR-15's, AK-47's, Uzi's, and every other semi-automatic weapon you own and start shooting at one another. That's what your Founding Fathers would do.
LOL it would be Constitutionalists vs. those who want "Fundamental Change" AKA Progressive Liberals,most liberals Democrats,even a lot of Republicans.
But im for using the right to vote first.I think it will be enough in the near future to get the self seeking politicians out of office. If not........
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[stevedave08]

It's funny, because I agree with Dragonzim on the few liberal viewpoints he holds. They are pretty much the same views I have, but if I support one liberal thing I'm automatically a progressive liberal even though I'm really not. I guess we can describe people like Veni as REGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES.
Veni, you aren't worth the soiled underwear your sitting in. I'm not even really offended at the garbage you spew anymore because I realized you have the mind of a child, a very dumb one. What's the highest level of education you completed?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/3197666
It's funny, because I agree with Dragonzim on the few liberal viewpoints he holds. They are pretty much the same views I have, but if I support one liberal thing I'm automatically a progressive liberal even though I'm really not. I guess we can describe people like Veni as REGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES.
Your not automatically a liberal because of a few viewpoints you share with Dragonqueen ,your a liberal because there is no middle ground between conservatism and liberalism.People like McCain , Leibermen and the ones that call themselves moderates are non factors.They sway with the popular opinion breeze,and stand for nothing like most of the politicians in Washington.
This country used to stand for something, now the politicians have everything blurred and twisted with no clear direction IMO.I think the American people got a real good look at this Conserveralisim that has been born out of the marriage between the moderate republicans and democrats and it has turned out to be a

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child born of a whore slowly killing this nation.
I think my country is in trouble and I think its a direct result of Liberalism,progressive or not,so I have chosen a side.The constitutionalists side.
Ill make a attempt to douse the flames here and i will refrain from responding to the rest of your post and we will see what happens.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3197602
And your answer is:
What was that you called me earlier???? Oh yeah it was "a-hole" You jumped into a conversation that you wherent even involved in to defend you liberal boyfriends and you call me rude and obnoxious? Hypocritical wouldnt you say?Or is it ok because you agree with the lefties so its ok?
I've been involved with this threadconversation from the beginning and just like you feel its your right to bash anyone that doesnt agree with you, its my right to call you out for being a wacko, far right, racist a-hole.

,your a liberal because there is no middle ground between conservatism and liberalism

Once again you are illustrating that you are a pea brained idiot that can't accept that there are more than 2 sides to this whole debate. Its a lot more than just the far left and the far right. It is VERY possible for someone to have some conservative views and some "liberal" ones. That is in fact, what most of this country is like.
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici

http:///forum/post/3197602
Conserveralisim

Is that even a word?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3197724
I've been involved with this threadconversation from the beginning and just like you feel its your right to bash anyone that doesnt agree with you, its my right to call you out for being a wacko, far right, racist a-hole.
I dont care what you call me ,im just pointing out the fact that if your going to call me out for being "Rude&Obnoxious" your being a hypocrite for doing the same.
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3197724
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3197602
,your a liberal because there is no middle ground between conservatism and liberalism
Once again you are illustrating that you are a pea brained idiot that can't accept that there are more than 2 sides to this whole debate. Its a lot more than just the far left and the far right. It is VERY possible for someone to have some conservative views and some "liberal" ones. That is in fact, what most of this country is like.
Once again you show your lack of comprehensive skills.I acknowledged there is more than one view,i said the middle ground dosent cut the mustard and is destructive and I chose a side.
Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3197724
Is that even a word?
"Portmanteau" Look it up Poindexter

 

[darthtang aw]

Wow, have you guys managed to deteriorate this thread!
Back to the topic.
Bionic, you take issue with doctors being allowed to refuse abortions or hand out birth control.
If it is medically necessary I think they should. Examples would be Hormonal imbalances, mother's life is threatened, and so forth. However what medicinal purpose doers birth control serve? Pregnancy is NOT a medical sickness no more that being born ugly is. What sickness is birth control or abortion treating when used as a birth control method?
Your comment about "having it my way" is selfish and shows the problems within the democratic party for the most part. It is the very reason Obama was voted in. "He is going to fix things for me"...is the attitude. You are willing to FORCE your view on someone else that disagrees or has a differing viewpoint. and then you justify your stance by hiding behind the "poor" mantra that all people don't have the choice to go to different doctor. But they did have a choice in the matter to have a s3xual relationship......So because they failed to properly protect themselves (condoms can be found in any convienance store in the nation for under 2 dollars) to accommodate them it is ok to force someone else to violate their moral ethics.
Veni in the past has made some solid points....however the racist overtures in your posts lately are beyond reason. And do nothing but close the mind of what may have been an open minded individual.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3197739
"Portmanteau" Look it up Poindexter
Point conceded, although I see that you are no longer denying the racist charges...

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3197740
Veni in the past has made some solid points....however the racist overtures in your posts lately are beyond reason. And do nothing but close the mind of what may have been an open minded individual.
I have made some off color remarks that has appeared to lead some or most here to believe that im a racist ,believe what you want. This was an mistake on my part for choosing that rout to get a reaction from SteveDave08 it was hurtful and terrible judgment on my part.For that I apologize to SteveDave08.

 

[stevedave08]

I know for the most part, you were just trying to rile me up. That's why I didn't go nuts and start cursing at you or anything. In any case, you're previous post on this page (#252) is the first coherent, non-insulting one from you that I've seen in a while. I actually agree with you on some of the points you made there , believe it or not. There is common ground between us. I think that is a major problem among the divided people in this country. We are quick to call out and label one another w/o realizing that we all want the best for this country and there are some areas where compromise is necessary.
"People like McCain , Leibermen and the ones that call themselves moderates are non factors.They sway with the popular opinion breeze,and stand for nothing like most of the politicians in Washington."
^^^^I most definitely agree with that.
P.S. You've slightly redeemed yourself with me by admitting you were jabbing at me purposely. I take back what I said and now say: Veni, you are worth more than even a clean pair of underwear.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3197740
Wow, have you guys managed to deteriorate this thread!
Back to the topic.
Bionic, you take issue with doctors being allowed to refuse abortions or hand out birth control.
If it is medically necessary I think they should. Examples would be Hormonal imbalances, mother's life is threatened, and so forth. However what medicinal purpose doers birth control serve? Pregnancy is NOT a medical sickness no more that being born ugly is. What sickness is birth control or abortion treating when used as a birth control method?
Your comment about "having it my way" is selfish and shows the problems within the democratic party for the most part. It is the very reason Obama was voted in. "He is going to fix things for me"...is the attitude. You are willing to FORCE your view on someone else that disagrees or has a differing viewpoint. and then you justify your stance by hiding behind the "poor" mantra that all people don't have the choice to go to different doctor. But they did have a choice in the matter to have a s3xual relationship......So because they failed to properly protect themselves (condoms can be found in any convienance store in the nation for under 2 dollars) to accommodate them it is ok to force someone else to violate their moral ethics.
Veni in the past has made some solid points....however the racist overtures in your posts lately are beyond reason. And do nothing but close the mind of what may have been an open minded individual.
Abortion has been and always will be a controversial issue between the Pro Choice and Pro Life. That debate will never be concluded. We know that. Neither side will bend on their viewpoints on the subject, so it's a waste of space to even argue about it. The point I'm trying to make is a person that signs up to be a physician or a pharmacist chose that profession to assist and treat individuals who suffer from ANY medical condition. They shouldn't be able to pick and choose which one's they treat based on their religious views. These professions should be impartial, with the ultimate goal of treating the patient to the best of their abilities, and to the wishes of said patient, since they are paying a price for the 'service'. We all know that a woman looking to get an abortion would not got to their normal GP. Abortion is like any other 'speciality' - Oncologist, Orthopedist, Cardiologist, etc. So to that point, a GP can very well refuse to perform an abortion, but at the same time, that GP should be supportive for their patient's decision, and assist them in finding a reputable 'specialist' willing to perform this procedure.
As far as a pharmacist not administering b1rth control p1lls or Day After P1lls, when a customer has a valid prescription from a licensed physician, to me that's totally inexcusable. You say there are 'alternatives'. You know how many pregnancies have occurred due to defective c0ndoms? Not to mention, in the heat of passion, the last thing partners want to do is be 'interrupted' with the 'procedure' of administering that contraceptive. B1rth Contr9l P1lls have been shown to be 99% effective against pregnancy, IF PROPERLY USED. If a pharmacist has issues or religious convictions about administering these types of drugs, they have no business practicing this profession, plain and simple.
LOLOL. I don't expect Obama to do squat for me. I voted for the guy because the alternative would've wreaked havoc on this country far worse than what he's done so far. Give me a better choice, and I'll vote that individual in. Until then, I'm willing to give our current President a chance to do what he claimed he could do during all his useless campaign speeches. If it's the "same ole' status quo" I've seen in the last two Presidents, I'll vote against him. The difference between me and you is I'm willing to give the guy a shot at fixing the crap that was left him. You only the other hand, will never accept any accomplishments he does because the simple truth is you think Democrat=Evil=Socilaism. He could turn this country around 180, and you still wouldn't back him because it goes against your logic and your beliefs in that the only political system that is good, is Conservatism. I've seen that system in action. It didn't work out all that well did it? If it did, why are their so many Americans that are obviously against a Total 100% Conservative political system?

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3197607
You have called me a racist and a nazi now without any fact to back it up ,you have also said i am advocating armed revolution.Now im telling you to take your rhetoric and misguided assumptions and shove them up your sphincter .
If im guilty of anything ,its that I despise progressive liberals.
~Veni Vidi Vici
My rhetoric? You have said there is a storm coming, posted a picture of a tea party person with a next time we will be armed sign and in the post above admit to making rascist comments. Also making comments that you want to execute your fellow American's with a differing political view, well that is beyond belief.
I don't think anyone believes your founding father nonsense either, you should be ashamed using that as a way to promote your OWN political agenda which is far from "We the people." Your no better than those on the far-left who want to change this country to fit their own selfish needs, sorry.
Fishtaco