Healthcare town hall

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108820
If you listen to what Limbaugh actually says about this instead of a snipet you would realize that isn't what he is proposing. His idea is to allow catastrophic insurance coverage and then people could place the rest of the money they would be spending on the higher full coverage premiums in an HSA so they would have the funds to pay for routine care. Not sure I think it's a good idea but it is an interesting idea.
That just proves how out of touch Limbaugh is with reality. Place the rest of their money into an HSA for routine care? Exactly how much money is he talking about? I just went to the doctor the other day for a follow-up on my annual physical. Just a typical doctor's visit, and bloodwork to check cholesterol, thyroid, and white counts. If I just walked into the doctor's office with no insurance, the bill would have been $400 minimum. Even with my current insurance, I'm still out $150. I have a severe case of tinnitus. I ended up going to an ENT who specializes in the treatment of tinnitus. His normal office visit is $230. He ordered all these fancy audio tests and inner-ear fluid tests at the tune of $1100. Then of course I needed an MRI of my upper head at the tune of $2450. So do you and Rush classify an irritating ringing in my ears as 'catastrophic'?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108826
You can't have a government option and at the same time expect private insurance companies to survive, can't be done period. It has got to be all or nothing.
If they first enact tort reform and a flat tax where people with five or six kids pay the same amount of taxes (or more) than someone with one kid then sign me up, I'll give it a try.
Did you not read his analogy of how our mail gets delivered?
As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.
"They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3108821
Well, those people at the town halls seem pretty sure they don't want any kind of health care change, although my guess is if those far-right conservatives had to pull the cold hard cash from their quivering little wallets every month like I do they might rethink their positions. So far I have not seen anyone except the GOP plants at the one town hall meeting who looked like they could afford their own insurance either. Most look old enough to be on Medicare which is why I question the motive for some of these people......
I just wish EVERYONE in D.C. would get their act together and come up with something for the good of our citizens. As far as Rush, Hannity and Beck, I think people should stop listening to T.V. personalites looking for ratings to form an opinion on something this important and watching your tank is a much better use of your time. LOL
So am I the only one here who is on their own for health care?
Fishtaco
How do you know they are GOP plants? I have seen probably half dozen people who were labeled as plant who were found to be real live citizens with valid concerns.
No reason not to listen to Rush, Beck or Oberman for that matter. I watch Bill Mahr quite a bit. The thing is I don't take anything they say at face value, nor do I from ANY politician, especially Obama

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108836
Did you not read his analogy of how our mail gets delivered?
As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.
"They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
AND HOW MUCH DID THE POST OFFICE LOOSE LAST QUARTER ALONE? (And I ain't talking about mail )
Just what we need, another bloated government program losing massive amounts of money. Even then you will have companies trying to scam the system to throw their health care coverage into the government system. That is why it wont work. If it is good enough to be desirable then you will basically put private insurance out of business or it's a disastrous black hole where tax dollars never return from.
UPS and Fex Ex are perfect examples of why we don't want the government running things. Not only do they provide far better package service than the USPS, they do it for less money.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108845
AND HOW MUCH DID THE POST OFFICE LOOSE LAST QUARTER ALONE? (And I ain't talking about mail )
Just what we need, another bloated government program losing massive amounts of money. Even then you will have companies trying to scam the system to throw their health care coverage into the government system. That is why it wont work. If it is good enough to be desirable then you will basically put private insurance out of business or it's a disastrous black hole where tax dollars never return from.
UPS and Fex Ex are perfect examples of why we don't want the government running things. Not only do they provide far better package service than the USPS, they do it for less money.
READ.
As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.

 

[fishtaco]

Heather Blish is one. She lied on camera about who she was. I don't like to see that kind of behavior from people on either side. I am also not too crazy about all the Healther signs with the Nazi references either for that matter. It's a free country sure, but if I was going to a protest I would not stoop that low and even though it is probably not the case, I think a lot of Democratic voters might be lumping the Birthers and the Healther's into the same group and automatically dismissing them. I am trying not too myself, but when you see a poster with Obama with a Hitler mustache it makes it kind of hard not to dismiss these people out of hand as nutjobs. Just like the the far lefties, these people need to come across better with their message and leave the Nazi stuff alone.
Fishtaco.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108824
Maybe if YOU listened to Obama, instead of Hannity and Limbaugh, you may actually understand what he'd like to see in the bill.

listen to them MAYBE once every 2 weeks. Nice try though....What did I expect from the guy that was arguing support for a bill he didn't even know the facts on....

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3108863
listen to them MAYBE once every 2 weeks. Nice try though....What did I expect from the guy that was arguing support for a bill he didn't even know the facts on....
Therein lies the problem. Obama flat out tells you what his plan is, and you still don't believe him. So what's the point of even arguing with you? He could hand you the final bill with the exact same wording in it, and you still wouldn't beleive it. Your problem is you want to play partisan politics. You're not willing to compromise with 'the enemy'. No matter how perfect ANY helathcare reform bill came out, you wouldn't agree with it because it came from those 'Socialist Democrats'. But hey, if McCain was in office, and he proposed the IDENTICAL plan to you, you'd say, "Well, I don't agree with everything that John is proposing, but I'm sure it'll work itself out in the end."

 

[darthtang aw]

And for the record yet again, I am not gainst some form of healthcare reform or "plan" by the government. I am against forcing others to pay for it during an economic time such as we have. If you want it...then the people benefitting from it should pay their own way.
and Obamas words have not been placed in ANY bill that I have seen. Call me partisan, that is hilarious...considering I proposed an alternative healthcare plan on this forum....Like I said, I am not against the plan, I am against the plan in their current form as written....and the written form is ALL that matters. Bush the older told me no new taxes repeatedly....what happened...oh yeah, there were new taxes....Obama has said some things over and over, and then didn't follow through...so why should this be any different?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108830
That just proves how out of touch Limbaugh is with reality. Place the rest of their money into an HSA for routine care? Exactly how much money is he talking about? I just went to the doctor the other day for a follow-up on my annual physical. Just a typical doctor's visit, and bloodwork to check cholesterol, thyroid, and white counts. If I just walked into the doctor's office with no insurance, the bill would have been $400 minimum. Even with my current insurance, I'm still out $150. I have a severe case of tinnitus. I ended up going to an ENT who specializes in the treatment of tinnitus. His normal office visit is $230. He ordered all these fancy audio tests and inner-ear fluid tests at the tune of $1100. Then of course I needed an MRI of my upper head at the tune of $2450. So do you and Rush classify an irritating ringing in my ears as 'catastrophic'?
The thing Limbaugh misses is you would need a year of good health at least to have the money to cover anything but a routine office visit.
The interesting aspect of Rush Care (I created a new term) is you have to take responsibility for your own care and expenses. That eliminates this 4 dollar aspirin and billing for procedures that were never done. I like that part of it. Maybe as part of the reform they can allow insurance companies to write coverages with a cap for routine procedures. Then I bet people would start paying attention.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108850
READ.
As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.

Obama said. So what? He also said he never heard reverend wright say anything racist in 20 years sitting in his church. I think we all know how truthful that statement was too

Do you honestly think the government program will be required to be self sustaining? Come on, I know you love Obama and all but there is no way you are that gullible.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3108857
Heather Blish is one. She lied on camera about who she was. I don't like to see that kind of behavior from people on either side. I am also not too crazy about all the Healther signs with the Nazi references either for that matter. It's a free country sure, but if I was going to a protest I would not stoop that low and even though it is probably not the case, I think a lot of Democratic voters might be lumping the Birthers and the Healther's into the same group and automatically dismissing them. I am trying not too myself, but when you see a poster with Obama with a Hitler mustache it makes it kind of hard not to dismiss these people out of hand as nutjobs. Just like the the far lefties, these people need to come across better with their message and leave the Nazi stuff alone.
Fishtaco.
You mean the woman that left the party in Feb of 2008? Even assuming she was still a card carrying Republican operative you got 1. If this were an organized campaign they would have been able to expose scores of plants. Like I said before, I wish the Republicans could pull that off. I worked on campaigns as late as 04 and let me tell you, the Republicans suck at activism.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108874
Therein lies the problem. Obama flat out tells you what his plan is, and you still don't believe him. So what's the point of even arguing with you? He could hand you the final bill with the exact same wording in it, and you still wouldn't beleive it. Your problem is you want to play partisan politics. You're not willing to compromise with 'the enemy'. No matter how perfect ANY helathcare reform bill came out, you wouldn't agree with it because it came from those 'Socialist Democrats'. But hey, if McCain was in office, and he proposed the IDENTICAL plan to you, you'd say, "Well, I don't agree with everything that John is proposing, but I'm sure it'll work itself out in the end."

Wait a minute....which OBama do I listen to? The Obama and the words you are claiming he is supportting, or this Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE ?
In fairness Obama did say he would do single payer healthcare plan if we were starting from scratch. I will give him that...what he didn't say is we would never get to a single payer healthcare plan. He can't do it right now......but does that mean he doesn't want to?

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108802
State Farm might look like they are raking in the dough but one nasty hurricane season .
Your and my rates go up when this happens. I have State Farm and my homeowners went up because of it. I chose not to live on the edge of the gulf. I am within 2 hours of their home office in Bloomington, Il. Now did the CEO take a hit in salary because of it...

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108884
You mean the woman that left the party in Feb of 2008? Even assuming she was still a card carrying Republican operative you got 1. If this were an organized campaign they would have been able to expose scores of plants. Like I said before, I wish the Republicans could pull that off. I worked on campaigns as late as 04 and let me tell you, the Republicans suck at activism.
This is one plant I like best. I haven't seen the anti healthcare protesters, are they of the same quality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjfB1tdCO9I
The is a better one with the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOU9x...eature=related

 

[uneverno]

"Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see."

 

[renogaw]

Putnam CT had a town meeting last night. There was to be about 250 townspeople there, all with some opposition or another to what is going on. When they arrived, the WHOLE parking lot was full of Massachusetts liscensed cars. When they got in, the first four rows were FULL of Massachusetts Ironworker Union goons. They had BIG signs that were being held up to prevent people behind them seeing anything.
After some councillors spoke, the head of the Ironworker's union gave an even longer speech about nonsense. After that, the Q&A lasted about 15 mins, but only certain people were called on, and they all had 5x7 prewritten questions...
One person who disagreed that 60million americans (it's only 42mil) don't have health insurance was physically removed by two of the ironworker union females in attendance.
Look at all the goons showing up at other town halls.
America better wake up soon...
Oh, btw, there is NOTHING in the news, internet, anywhere i can find that talks about this either...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/3109053
Putnam CT had a town meeting last night. There was to be about 250 townspeople there, all with some opposition or another to what is going on. When they arrived, the WHOLE parking lot was full of Massachusetts liscensed cars. When they got in, the first four rows were FULL of Massachusetts Ironworker Union goons. They had BIG signs that were being held up to prevent people behind them seeing anything.
After some councillors spoke, the head of the Ironworker's union gave an even longer speech about nonsense. After that, the Q&A lasted about 15 mins, but only certain people were called on, and they all had 5x7 prewritten questions...
One person who disagreed that 60million americans (it's only 42mil) don't have health insurance was physically removed by two of the ironworker union females in attendance.
Look at all the goons showing up at other town halls.
America better wake up soon...
Oh, btw, there is NOTHING in the news, internet, anywhere i can find that talks about this either...
Why would there be, It's Putnam, CT. What did they do with the old Amhearst Girl's School after Data General bailed out of it back in the early 90's? I 'lived' there many weeks back in the 80's when Data General had that place as their international training facility. We used to drive to the 'big town' of Worchester to go to the mall and eat their horrid rendition of Mexican food. I did like going skiing at Wachusetts Mountain in the winter, and going to the short track in that small town down the road in the summer. Is the Fuzzy Grape still around?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3108969
Your and my rates go up when this happens. I have State Farm and my homeowners went up because of it. I chose not to live on the edge of the gulf. I am within 2 hours of their home office in Bloomington, Il. Now did the CEO take a hit in salary because of it...

If he was taking stock options as part of his pay package I guarantee you he did.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3108977
This is one plant I like best. I haven't seen the anti healthcare protesters, are they of the same quality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjfB1tdCO9I
The is a better one with the interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOU9x...eature=related
You mean she was a democrat plant? Maybe, Obama's campaign manager is the one they created the term Astroturfing in political term for. I have no doubt that both sides pull that stuff. There was one town hall meeting with a guy carrying around an Obama Nazi sigh while people were walking in and the same guy was handing pout pro democrat literature as people were leaving.