Healthcare town hall

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3109639
The Congressional budget office has already shot down that lie. Even assuming you could eliminate all the fraud and waste in medicare it wont come close to paying for the program.
Hello? Anyone in there? Obus doesn't need a single Republican vote to pass any laws. If he could get all the Democrats on board the bill would have already passed.
I guess you haven't followed the work Senate finance Chairman Max Baucus has been doing with 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans from the finance committee. Just because the Republicans aren't willing to roll over and let Queen Nancy and the Ossiah create a system that if not completely socialist certainly very close to it I would say they are doing the job they were elected to do.
And by the same token because the Democrat party is in the pocked of the trial lawyers they wont do a thing to resolve one of the major causes of increases in the cost of health care. They system we have now works for the majority of people. Why not just correct the problem rather than scraping the system?
Oh God, I can't keep going on, I am laughing too hard. When has Obama came out without parsing his words and said I support this bill or add or delete these provisions and I will support the bill.
You and Darth are a hopeless cause. It won't matter what healthcare reform comes out of all this, you won't like it because a Democrat thought of it. Go hang out with the Birthers and all the other detractors with your blinders on for another 3 1/2 years until you can try and get your Joan Of Arc Sarah Palin elected. I'm sure she'll turn the steering wheel so far right, we'll all get dizzy from driving around in circles. She'll do away with NASCAR, since they only make left turns, bring back Prohibition because that's the Devil's Brew, force everyone to attend church on Sunday because God says so, and will completely erase the National Debt the first six months after her inaguration. PRAISE THE LORD WE HAVE BEEN SAVED!!!!

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3109789
I am sure, since president Obama won at 52.9%, the other 47.1% surely are voicing their opposition to any plan. I don't think it's strange to have folks against it. I am for getting the cost off healthcare off the back of business and everyone covered. When I say covered, I mean beyond catastrophic coverage. The claims that there are fewer uninsured than being touted. There are many so called insured that can't afford to get sick by of pocket cost of the policies. The list below are my concerns:
1. Staggering healthcare cost that businesses have to pay for fulltime employees - tough for the U.S. companies to compete when their completion in the world when they don't have these direct cost.
2. U.S business gaming healthcare by hiring all workers except managers as part-time.
3. I am not worried as much about the government picking my procedures and doctors. Heck, the for profit insurance companies have been doing this for me all along - You know, the in-network providers and pre-certifing the proceedure - HMOs, PPOs
4. The current government programs have needed overhauling for a long time. My dad was telling me one of his last Medicare visit stories this past weekend. For a one hour breathing test he has every six months. His out of pocket was $50 something, hospital $160 or 170 and the Dr. bill $2000. The last number he was shocked over as was I.

1. Who will pay? The "rich"? Where they gonna get the money? Tax your healthcare benefits? Get rid of the home

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interest write off. President Obama already promised not to raise taxes on those making less than $250,000 I do not see how he could fund total health care without raising taxes or drastically controlling costs. No more neonatal units, 25 weeks of gestation or death, sorry no room in the inn, here's some pain medicine while the baby dies. "Pain

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" for those over 65 with cancer, broken hips, coronary disease, etc. No more research, no more new treatments. How about holding doctors the the same "absence of malice" that then likes of Dan Rather are held to. That would remove about 25-30% of the costs right there. Of course the ambulance chasing trial lawyers would not let that happen.
2. The evil small businesses
3. You worried they may tell your grandma, no hip surgery, and no cancer treatment? Maybe they will give her a pain pill. Someone else will make that decision, not you. Maybe your premie has only a 5% chance, you want to decide or some health care czar ( already in place thanks to the porkulus bill).
4. $2000, I'd like to see that bill for what sounds like a PFT. I think there's an extra 0 there.
I hope this all works out as well as the USPS.....

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3109917
.....
1.answered above
2. The evil small businesses -not evil, just not caring for their employees and the almighty dollar more. AIG, goldman sachs, Enron etc.. If it feels good do it, screw everyone else.
3. You worried they may tell your grandma, - no, all my grandarents are dead, also my mother - Dad is the only one left. I am worried about my son's pre existing condition, I don't want some insurance company deciding.
4. $2000, I'd like to see that bill for what sounds like a PFT. I think there's an extra 0 there. Two thousand dollars - spelled out. you shouldn't be surprised it's a government program, medicare. no it wasn't Physical Fitness Testing. I will check with him on the test. I don't think the ED would do this.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3109915
You and Darth are a hopeless cause. It won't matter what healthcare reform comes out of all this, you won't like it because a Democrat thought of it. Go hang out with the Birthers and all the other detractors with your blinders on for another 3 1/2 years until you can try and get your Joan Of Arc Sarah Palin elected. I'm sure she'll turn the steering wheel so far right, we'll all get dizzy from driving around in circles. She'll do away with NASCAR, since they only make left turns, bring back Prohibition because that's the Devil's Brew, force everyone to attend church on Sunday because God says so, and will completely erase the National Debt the first six months after her inaguration. PRAISE THE LORD WE HAVE BEEN SAVED!!!!
Suffering from Palin derangement syndrome? She wouldn't even be on my radar screen for president unless she was running against Obama. But then again so would Donald duck or Granny Clampette.
It is you wearing the blinders my friend. First you accused us of reading the first draft of a bill in it's 5th revision. Turned out you made that post like 10 days after the thing had been introduced and it was still in it's original form. Need I say more?
And for the record I am not in favor of forcing people to attend church. I don't need to see you heathens doing the goat dance in front of all us righteous folk

 

[porkchop48]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3109930
1.answered above
2. The evil small businesses -not evil, just not caring for their employees and the almighty dollar more. AIG, goldman sachs, Enron etc.. If it feels good do it, screw everyone else.
3. You worried they may tell your grandma, - no, all my grandarents are dead, also my mother - Dad is the only one left. I am worried about my son's pre existing condition, I don't want some insurance company deciding.
4. $2000, I'd like to see that bill for what sounds like a PFT. I think there's an extra 0 there. Two thousand dollars - spelled out. you shouldn't be surprised it's a government program, medicare. no it wasn't Physical Fitness Testing. I will check with him on the test. I don't think the ED would do this.

I think he mean a Pulminary function test.
Sorry I dont have any other opinions. Just following along for the ride.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3110019
Suffering from Palin derangement syndrome? She wouldn't even be on my radar screen for president unless she was running against Obama. But then again so would Donald duck or Granny Clampette.
It is you wearing the blinders my friend. First you accused us of reading the first draft of a bill in it's 5th revision. Turned out you made that post like 10 days after the thing had been introduced and it was still in it's original form. Need I say more?
And for the record I am not in favor of forcing people to attend church. I don't need to see you heathens doing the goat dance in front of all us righteous folk

Glad you finally realized that ultra-conservatives think like Donald Duck and Granny Clampett.

So you're righteous only if your religious? Sounds a little judgemental to me. Doesn't your god tell you not to judge others by faith alone?
What are you talking about original form? Do you even know Creating A Bill 101? You need to go watch the YouTube thread I posted from School House Rock. The only 'bill' that matters is the final one that falls on the President's desk for him to sign. All the other 'revisions' are just fodder for these moronic Congressmen to argue over. I have no blinders on. I'm called a Realist. I don't sit around like you listening to all the right-wing sensationalist who pick one or two lines out of a speech, and change the context of what is being said just to justify their agenda. You only listen to the detractors, and call everyone who disagrees with those theories liars and Socialists. Non-partisan and unbiased news groups have tried time and time again to break down exactly what Obama's wants this health reform to look like, and you don't want to listen. Your blinders a Red. You don't want to look at the Blue. Until the color turns back to Red, you won't listen. If Obama can manage to get his plan implemented the way he envisions it, I think it'll benefit everyone in the long run. But that will never happen if the Republicans and insurance company lobbyist continue to use scare tactics to throw a wrench in it.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3110136
What are you talking about original form? Do you even know Creating A Bill 101? You need to go watch the YouTube thread I posted from School House Rock. The only 'bill' that matters is the final one that falls on the President's desk for him to sign. All the other 'revisions' are just fodder for these moronic Congressmen to argue over. I have no blinders on. I'm called a Realist. I don't sit around like you listening to all the right-wing sensationalist who pick one or two lines out of a speech, and change the context of what is being said just to justify their agenda. You only listen to the detractors, and call everyone who disagrees with those theories liars and Socialists. Non-partisan and unbiased news groups have tried time and time again to break down exactly what Obama's wants this health reform to look like, and you don't want to listen. Your blinders a Red. You don't want to look at the Blue. Until the color turns back to Red, you won't listen. If Obama can manage to get his plan implemented the way he envisions it, I think it'll benefit everyone in the long run. But that will never happen if the Republicans and insurance company lobbyist continue to use scare tactics to throw a wrench in it.

If the only bill that matters is the one that hits the presidents desk, then those of us that wrote our congressman regarding the purchase of 5 new planes for congress was pointless. Since the bill was only in it's first revision. We should have waited till after the house and senate passed the bill in its final copy. Then voiced our complaints and concerns then...when it is to late......just before Obama signs it.
Being Proactive nets more results than being reactive. If we don't voice our concerns NOW after it passes the senate and goes to the President it is to late. Show me one President that EVER VETOED a bill that came from congress when his party held the majority. Just one, and then I will agree waiting might be a better course of action.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3110167
If the only bill that matters is the one that hits the presidents desk, then those of us that wrote our congressman regarding the purchase of 5 new planes for congress was pointless. Since the bill was only in it's first revision. We should have waited till after the house and senate passed the bill in its final copy. Then voiced our complaints and concerns then...when it is to late......just before Obama signs it.
Being Proactive nets more results than being reactive. If we don't voice our concerns NOW after it passes the senate and goes to the President it is to late. Show me one President that EVER VETOED a bill that came from congress when his party held the majority. Just one, and then I will agree waiting might be a better course of action.
I absolutley agree we as Americans have every right to object or critique the content of any bill that is put before Congress. The problem with the healthcare reform bill is 99% of the people complaining don't even know what's in the bill, or have even read one page of it. They are getting all this second-hand information from these detractors that are calling Obama a Socialist and a Nazi. If you want to complain about the content that's in the bill, make sure you have the latest information. Don't let this sensationaist media make your mind up for you.
With what I'm reading, this reform bill changes on a daily basis, if not by the hour. Part of the reason for that is because of the input the Congressmen are getting from their constituents. My point is, I'm not going to pass judgement on the program until I see what the final outcome is. You're saying that once that happens, it'll be too late to do anything about it. When it comes to bill becoming a law, it's never too late. Once a bill is signed by the President and put into law, that doesn't mean that law is etched in stone. If whatever bill is passed doesn't work out, or ends up being worse that what we presently have, it can always be revised. The only time this becomes difficult is if the change is to an Amendment of the Constitution. And we know the volitility of that issue...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3110136
Glad you finally realized that ultra-conservatives think like Donald Duck and Granny Clampett.

So you're righteous only if your religious? Sounds a little judgemental to me. Doesn't your god tell you not to judge others by faith alone?
What are you talking about original form? Do you even know Creating A Bill 101? You need to go watch the YouTube thread I posted from School House Rock. The only 'bill' that matters is the final one that falls on the President's desk for him to sign. All the other 'revisions' are just fodder for these moronic Congressmen to argue over. I have no blinders on. I'm called a Realist. I don't sit around like you listening to all the right-wing sensationalist who pick one or two lines out of a speech, and change the context of what is being said just to justify their agenda. You only listen to the detractors, and call everyone who disagrees with those theories liars and Socialists. Non-partisan and unbiased news groups have tried time and time again to break down exactly what Obama's wants this health reform to look like, and you don't want to listen. Your blinders a Red. You don't want to look at the Blue. Until the color turns back to Red, you won't listen. If Obama can manage to get his plan implemented the way he envisions it, I think it'll benefit everyone in the long run. But that will never happen if the Republicans and insurance company lobbyist continue to use scare tactics to throw a wrench in it.
1. The dancing smiley didn't give you a clue that the religious comment was a joke? I mean seriously maybe you need to quit watching Keith Oberman and Bill Mahr to get your opinion of evangelical Christians. Not all of them are out shooting abortion doctors or protesting gays. A few of us even have a sense of humor

2. I have a fairly good idea how a bill is created, I was awake during government class. If school house rock is how you learned about government that's cool. It covers the basics of how a bill is created.
The thing you are unable to grasp is what Obama and Pelosi say they want to do will greatly increase the cost of providing health care. There is no legitimate argument about that. So far those in power aka the Democrats have not proposed anything to address the real reasons for the high cost of health care.
I don't know how I can explain it any better but I will try. No matter how you are going to pay for health care it will never be affordable if you don't address the reasons for the high costs. Part of that is Hipaa, Part of that is the amount of people who aren't paying their fair share, Part of it is state laws that require insurance coverage to cover things that really should be out of pocket and part of it is BS lawsuits.
If you want the government to pay for health care great but unless you want to pay a 60% tax rate you have to deal with the costs.
You say you are reading the bills. OK, Show me the sections dealing with the following:
1. Illegal Immigrants. We are spending billions every year treating people with no legal or moral right to even be in this country. Covering them on a government program will explode the costs. Unless the bill specifically states Illegal immigrants and not covered I oppose it. Nancy Pelosi was asked about this and dodged the question. I think that makes it pretty obvious what the answer is.
2. Tort reform. Malpractice insurance rates are only a drop in the bucket as far as the damage trial lawyers are doing to our system. One thing that will greatly reduce the litigation costs is to implement loser pays rules. That in no way shape or form will hurt anyone with a legitimate case. What it will do is eliminate the nuisance suits that we all get to pay for.
3. Everyone pays. Not only should everyone be covered but they have to pay their own way. I have no problem with a system public or private that says you must have insurance of some kind. If you don't buy insurance we will do it for you via an extra payroll tax.
You show me a bill that contains the 3 items above and I will support it. Also making things like

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and fertility treatments be out of pocket expenses would be nice too. Some of the procedures covered by insurance right now are ridiculous but states mandate certain things be covered as a condition of selling policies. Allowing people to shop for insurance across state lines, which the Republicans have been calling for, would be a way to drive down premiums short term.

 

[darthtang aw]

What was the last bill passed that was changed within a 10 year time limit....look how long it took for welfare reform alone. Everyone bill that has created a government program such as this has never been done away with, muchless fixed. Look at Social security. How long has this been a worriesome issue now, yet we ignore it and leave it in place because congress doesn't want to fix it.
This is my problem, This bill is being rushed...they tried to pass it before the august break. Obama demanded they pass it by then several times. Why the rush to keep out the detractors voice and keep the bill from further scrutiny? THIS is my problem. We have gone 200 hundred years without. why a three month rush now? Because it is his agenda? Rome wasn't built in a day, but it was destroyed in one...THAT is my major concern...everytime congress rushes things don't get thought out, people don't read it, and then it becomes law.
Case in point. The TRP bill Bush rushed....Obama voted for them twice. Now he is bad mouthing them.....saying they were bad and bush is to blame. Maybe if congress hadn't rushed they would have thought things out better.
The other thing is, give details in your speeches...he isn't doing that...he is giving basics. Doesn't explain the how....and then throws ijn the occassional rhetoric to bad mouth those protesting.
By the way, your 99% figure is made up..You lambast about the protesters not reading the bill...yet when you and I were discussing this you claimed the same thing about me regarding the small business tax portion. I believe more people have read up on this than you think....Just look at the amount of information flowing from many of those in this discussion here.
The majority of us are not mentioning "death Panels" we are mentioning logistics in the bill that we have read about....we are not being sensationalist on this, we are using facts....
If they are facts does it matter where they are read from.
I presented facts from the direct bill......need I show you your response to them....From what I see, it doesn't mtter to you the who, what, when, how, or why./...just as long as it gets done....this is just based off your own actions in previous discussions. Me, I would rather be proactive, than reactive.....

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3110221
1. The dancing smiley didn't give you a clue that the religious comment was a joke? I mean seriously maybe you need to quit watching Keith Oberman and Bill Mahr to get your opinion of evangelical Christians. Not all of them are out shooting abortion doctors or protesting gays. A few of us even have a sense of humor

2. I have a fairly good idea how a bill is created, I was awake during government class. If school house rock is how you learned about government that's cool. It covers the basics of how a bill is created.
The thing you are unable to grasp is what Obama and Pelosi say they want to do will greatly increase the cost of providing health care. There is no legitimate argument about that. So far those in power aka the Democrats have not proposed anything to address the real reasons for the high cost of health care.
I don't know how I can explain it any better but I will try. No matter how you are going to pay for health care it will never be affordable if you don't address the reasons for the high costs. Part of that is Hipaa, Part of that is the amount of people who aren't paying their fair share, Part of it is state laws that require insurance coverage to cover things that really should be out of pocket and part of it is BS lawsuits.
If you want the government to pay for health care great but unless you want to pay a 60% tax rate you have to deal with the costs.
You say you are reading the bills. OK, Show me the sections dealing with the following:
1. Illegal Immigrants. We are spending billions every year treating people with no legal or moral right to even be in this country. Covering them on a government program will explode the costs. Unless the bill specifically states Illegal immigrants and not covered I oppose it. Nancy Pelosi was asked about this and dodged the question. I think that makes it pretty obvious what the answer is.
2. Tort reform. Malpractice insurance rates are only a drop in the bucket as far as the damage trial lawyers are doing to our system. One thing that will greatly reduce the litigation costs is to implement loser pays rules. That in no way shape or form will hurt anyone with a legitimate case. What it will do is eliminate the nuisance suits that we all get to pay for.
3. Everyone pays. Not only should everyone be covered but they have to pay their own way. I have no problem with a system public or private that says you must have insurance of some kind. If you don't buy insurance we will do it for you via an extra payroll tax.
You show me a bill that contains the 3 items above and I will support it. Also making things like

[hr]
and fertility treatments be out of pocket expenses would be nice too. Some of the procedures covered by insurance right now are ridiculous but states mandate certain things be covered as a condition of selling policies. Allowing people to shop for insurance across state lines, which the Republicans have been calling for, would be a way to drive down premiums short term.
EXACTLY!
The other thing that can be done to drive down cost is R&D expenditures. Right now The U.S. does over 60% of the R&D in medicine for the Whole world. Medical companies have to recoup this some how. countries that have medical plans provided by the government have scaled back their R&D because there is no way to recoop the cost of the R&D. This keeps their cost down for healthcare. Essentially they are relying on us to help keep their costs down. Basically the other countries in the world need to do more R&D and we need to scale back ours....Liek I said, their is a reason France's medical cost is 7% of GDP.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3110235
EXACTLY!
The other thing that can be done to drive down cost is R&D expenditures. Right now The U.S. does over 60% of the R&D in medicine for the Whole world. Medical companies have to recoup this some how. countries that have medical plans provided by the government have scaled back their R&D because there is no way to recoop the cost of the R&D. This keeps their cost down for healthcare. Essentially they are relying on us to help keep their costs down. Basically the other countries in the world need to do more R&D and we need to scale back ours....Liek I said, their is a reason France's medical cost is 7% of GDP.
One thing we need is a law that says US drug companies cannot sell their product over seas for less than they do here. Right now we pay the R&D for what, 90% of the drugs created?

 

[ironeagle2006]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3109781
Everyone whom thinks that want government/socialized medicine should watch this British politician on Hannity's show tonight. You will learn quickly how bad it is over in the U.K.
Here is an example, early detection Prostate Cancer in the U.K. has a 77% survival rate for 5 years....Sounds good huh? Know what the 5 year survival rate in the U.S. is?
How about 100%....That means, if caught early in the U.S., nobody dies within 5 years from Prostate Cancer (that doesn't count getting hit by a bus for example, it just says Prostate Cancer won't kill you). In the U.K., you have a 1 in 4 chance of it killing you within 5 years.
Sweet huh.

6 Years ago my FIL was Diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. He had a PSA of well over 150 by the time he got mad at his First Oncologist and went to Northwestern In Chicago. His PSA is now less than .25 and because the other doc screwed the pooch he still has to get Chemo however it is now once every 6 weeks not every 2 weeks like before. I would take having him around over being able to see him in his grave anyday of the week. As would my wife and kids.

 

[deejeff442]

amen to that brother.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3109781
Everyone whom thinks that want government/socialized medicine should watch this British politician on Hannity's show tonight. You will learn quickly how bad it is over in the U.K.
Here is an example, early detection Prostate Cancer in the U.K. has a 77% survival rate for 5 years....Sounds good huh? Know what the 5 year survival rate in the U.S. is?
How about 100%....That means, if caught early in the U.S., nobody dies within 5 years from Prostate Cancer (that doesn't count getting hit by a bus for example, it just says Prostate Cancer won't kill you). In the U.K., you have a 1 in 4 chance of it killing you within 5 years.
Sweet huh.

Five year survival rates are misleading when performed across such different populations. England has not placed nearly the same emphasis on early detection (PSA, etc.) that has been the case in the USA, and prostate cancer may be one that drametically benefits from early detection. If you look at a more meaningful number, the overall death rate from cancer (this bypasses detection, and only looks at how many people in a population die from cancer), you find that the English have a death rate that is considerably lower than in the US (321 deaths/100000 popluation vs 253/100000 in England).

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3110934
Five year survival rates are misleading when performed across such different populations. England has not placed nearly the same emphasis on early detection (PSA, etc.) that has been the case in the USA, and prostate cancer may be one that drametically benefits from early detection. If you look at a more meaningful number, the overall death rate from cancer (this bypasses detection, and only looks at how many people in a population die from cancer), you find that the English have a death rate that is considerably lower than in the US (321 deaths/100000 popluation vs 253/100000 in England).
But for the purposes of this discussion which is medical care your figure is kinda meaningless. Diet and lifestyle can have a major impact on who GETS cancer. That has little to do with the quality of medical care. Now if the UK has an overall lower SURVIVAL rate for those who get cancer then you would have a point. I couldn't dig up that number but while looking I did come across this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ath-rates.html
"However, the introduction of a bowel cancer screening programme was being delayed to prevent the NHS becoming overloaded with work, he said. Prof Markham, who takes over as chief executive of the charity this month, said bowel screening tests could prevent thousands of cases of the disease."
"Prof Markham also announced a £1 million expansion of a trial designed to find out whether prostate cancer screening saves lives."
??? I would say that makes a pretty good case against government control of health care.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3110957
But for the purposes of this discussion which is medical care your figure is kinda meaningless. Diet and lifestyle can have a major impact on who GETS cancer. That has little to do with the quality of medical care. Now if the UK has an overall lower SURVIVAL rate for those who get cancer then you would have a point. I couldn't dig up that number but while looking I did come across this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ath-rates.html
"However, the introduction of a bowel cancer screening programme was being delayed to prevent the NHS becoming overloaded with work, he said. Prof Markham, who takes over as chief executive of the charity this month, said bowel screening tests could prevent thousands of cases of the disease."
"Prof Markham also announced a £1 million expansion of a trial designed to find out whether prostate cancer screening saves lives."
??? I would say that makes a pretty good case against government control of health care.
I'm not sure how any of that makes an argument against centralized health care. Many insurance companies in the US won't pay for colonoscopies, despite the general belief that it could save thousands of lives. And the expansion of the clinical trial to examine prostate cancer screening will yield valuable data. Just today we find that micro tumors of the

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, that were thought to be harmless, can indeed become metastatic. It was found only because of a large scale federally-funded study, and will lead to better treatment for women with such tumors.

 

[squidward]

Right wing nuts will always use fear and misinformation to trick and brainwash the morons that are going nutts at the townhalls. May HEALTHECARE STAY THE SAME FOREVER AND have your premiums RAISE EVERY YEAR!!! YAY!!!

Let's DEFEND THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES CAUSE THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT US ALL!! lfmao!!!

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3111017
I'm not sure how any of that makes an argument against centralized health care. Many insurance companies in the US won't pay for colonoscopies, despite the general belief that it could save thousands of lives. And the expansion of the clinical trial to examine prostate cancer screening will yield valuable data. Just today we find that micro tumors of the

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, that were thought to be harmless, can indeed become metastatic. It was found only because of a large scale federally-funded study, and will lead to better treatment for women with such tumors.
Is their any doubt that prostrate screening is a good thing? Why in the world does their need to be a study. They are dragging their feet because they don't have the resources to do it,
My wife who worked for a med mal specialist law firm and now works for a insurance company, one that insures hospitals against med mal claims and she wants to know what insurance company was dumb enough to refuse to cover a colonostophy, Her old boss would love to get that business.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/3111287
Right wing nuts will always use fear and misinformation to trick and brainwash the morons that are going nutts at the townhalls. May HEALTHECARE STAY THE SAME FOREVER AND have your premiums RAISE EVERY YEAR!!! YAY!!!

Let's DEFEND THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES CAUSE THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT US ALL!! lfmao!!!
And left wing zombies just blindly follow the Ossiah and question nothing.