rickross23
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I know about patience. I am letting tank cycle atm. I will get my fish like a pyramid. Adding on every so often. I don't think after 6ish months two mandarins could make 120 gallons of copepods extinct.
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gemmy
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Originally Posted by Superman http:///t/390947/help#post_3465292
It's not just anthias. You should feed all your fish everyday, 2-3 times a day. You could survive a weekend without food, but how would you feel by the end of it?
A lawnmower blenny is not a bad fish to keep at all, but needs to be put into a very well established tank with good algae growth.
Two mandarins in a 120 might get by with enough room, but they will starve eachother out of a food source quicker.
Is this your first SW tank? You may get some beginners books or even a good SW fish species book and see what kind of livestock is reccommended for a new tank. I know there are so many fish you want, but you need to be patient, and consider the fish's needs.
Response to statement in red: A lot of the fish that we keep do not need to be fed everyday and they certainly do not have to be fed 2-3 times a day. The live rock and other surfaces in our tanks provide food for our fish. You see a lot of grazing going on in our tanks.
Originally Posted by Superman http:///t/390947/help#post_3465292
It's not just anthias. You should feed all your fish everyday, 2-3 times a day. You could survive a weekend without food, but how would you feel by the end of it?
A lawnmower blenny is not a bad fish to keep at all, but needs to be put into a very well established tank with good algae growth.
Two mandarins in a 120 might get by with enough room, but they will starve eachother out of a food source quicker.
Is this your first SW tank? You may get some beginners books or even a good SW fish species book and see what kind of livestock is reccommended for a new tank. I know there are so many fish you want, but you need to be patient, and consider the fish's needs.
Response to statement in red: A lot of the fish that we keep do not need to be fed everyday and they certainly do not have to be fed 2-3 times a day. The live rock and other surfaces in our tanks provide food for our fish. You see a lot of grazing going on in our tanks.
btldreef
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Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465293
I know about patience. I am letting tank cycle atm. I will get my fish like a pyramid. Adding on every so often. I don't think after 6ish months two mandarins could make 120 gallons of copepods extinct.
You'd be very surprised.
Keep in mind, that you also want to put in two pipefish, which are also pop eaters with a high metabolism, and need to eat/hunt all the time. Then add in the wrasse you want, which will also pick off pods. Anthias will as well. So that makes more than 10 fish in your system that all are pod eaters/hunters with high metabolism, 5 of which could easily deplete the system each on their own.
I've seen ONE mandarin clear out a 90 of pods in less than 6 months and it was a ORA, also eating frozen food, mandarin.
I really suggest you research the feeding requirements of some of these fish more
Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465293
I know about patience. I am letting tank cycle atm. I will get my fish like a pyramid. Adding on every so often. I don't think after 6ish months two mandarins could make 120 gallons of copepods extinct.
You'd be very surprised.
Keep in mind, that you also want to put in two pipefish, which are also pop eaters with a high metabolism, and need to eat/hunt all the time. Then add in the wrasse you want, which will also pick off pods. Anthias will as well. So that makes more than 10 fish in your system that all are pod eaters/hunters with high metabolism, 5 of which could easily deplete the system each on their own.
I've seen ONE mandarin clear out a 90 of pods in less than 6 months and it was a ORA, also eating frozen food, mandarin.
I really suggest you research the feeding requirements of some of these fish more
superman
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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465300
Response to statement in red: A lot of the fish that we keep do not need to be fed everyday and they certainly do not have to be fed 2-3 times a day. The live rock and other surfaces in our tanks provide food for our fish. You see a lot of grazing going on in our tanks.
I can accept that some do not need 2-3 feedings per day, but ALL fish should be fed daily to keep them healthy. I'm not saying they will die if you miss a day here or there, but they won't be healthy if it's persistent.
Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465300
Response to statement in red: A lot of the fish that we keep do not need to be fed everyday and they certainly do not have to be fed 2-3 times a day. The live rock and other surfaces in our tanks provide food for our fish. You see a lot of grazing going on in our tanks.
I can accept that some do not need 2-3 feedings per day, but ALL fish should be fed daily to keep them healthy. I'm not saying they will die if you miss a day here or there, but they won't be healthy if it's persistent.
rickross23
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X off the Christmas wrasse. I don't think they're.reef safe. What wrasse would you recommend for a beginner like me that's reef safe? Fairy? Also, I heard from the lfs, anthias Don't eat pods. Is there a way to get pods growing now?
btldreef
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Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465374
X off the Christmas wrasse. I don't think they're.reef safe. What wrasse would you recommend for a beginner like me that's reef safe? Fairy? Also, I heard from the lfs, anthias Don't eat pods. Is there a way to get pods growing now?
Ok, your LFS is feeding you bad advice. It's sounding more and more to me like they just want to make a sale. No, anthias won't eat as many pods as say a mandarin or a pipefish will, but they are pod eaters. You mentioned that you were from NY, what part?
I've kept numerous species of Anthias and they ALL ate pods. They're really plankton eaters, so pods are perfect for them, as are small mysid shrimp and freshly hatched brine.
Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465374
X off the Christmas wrasse. I don't think they're.reef safe. What wrasse would you recommend for a beginner like me that's reef safe? Fairy? Also, I heard from the lfs, anthias Don't eat pods. Is there a way to get pods growing now?
Ok, your LFS is feeding you bad advice. It's sounding more and more to me like they just want to make a sale. No, anthias won't eat as many pods as say a mandarin or a pipefish will, but they are pod eaters. You mentioned that you were from NY, what part?
I've kept numerous species of Anthias and they ALL ate pods. They're really plankton eaters, so pods are perfect for them, as are small mysid shrimp and freshly hatched brine.
rickross23
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They are aggressive. Also I'm in Missouri not NY.
btldreef
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Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help#post_3465220
The guy at ny lfs said anthias need to be fed everyday or else they will die..is this true?
^^This is what made me think you might be from NY. But I'm a dope and didn't even realize that the "ny" was supposed to be "my". Sorry about that.
Either way, I really don't think your LFS is giving you the best possible advice right now.
As for wrasses. The ones that are truly reef safe are the flashers and fairies, but they're jumpers (almost all wrasses are actually). The Christmas wrasse is usually okay in a reef setting as long as you don't plan on keeping very small ornamental shrimp like harlequin, sexy or bumblebee shrimp. Many people do keep them successfully in their reefs with Skunk Cleaner and Fire Shrimp. It all depends on the temperment of the fish. Many people have great luck with Yellow Corris Wrasses in reef tanks, mine is a little demon. He flips my snails and leaves them to drown, and killed my peppermints. I think if he were bigger, he'd go after my Skunk and Fire Shrimp as well. Meanwhile, I have a Yellow Candy Hogfish (a type of wrasse), which is supposedly horrible with inverts who could not care less about the inverts in my tank. He doesn't even go after the baby mysid shrimp that get pumped through from my refugium.
Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help#post_3465220
The guy at ny lfs said anthias need to be fed everyday or else they will die..is this true?
^^This is what made me think you might be from NY. But I'm a dope and didn't even realize that the "ny" was supposed to be "my". Sorry about that.
Either way, I really don't think your LFS is giving you the best possible advice right now.
As for wrasses. The ones that are truly reef safe are the flashers and fairies, but they're jumpers (almost all wrasses are actually). The Christmas wrasse is usually okay in a reef setting as long as you don't plan on keeping very small ornamental shrimp like harlequin, sexy or bumblebee shrimp. Many people do keep them successfully in their reefs with Skunk Cleaner and Fire Shrimp. It all depends on the temperment of the fish. Many people have great luck with Yellow Corris Wrasses in reef tanks, mine is a little demon. He flips my snails and leaves them to drown, and killed my peppermints. I think if he were bigger, he'd go after my Skunk and Fire Shrimp as well. Meanwhile, I have a Yellow Candy Hogfish (a type of wrasse), which is supposedly horrible with inverts who could not care less about the inverts in my tank. He doesn't even go after the baby mysid shrimp that get pumped through from my refugium.
rickross23
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Could I have a cleaner wrasse with my setup?
bang guy
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Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465513
Could I have a cleaner wrasse with my setup?
Generally speaking Cleaner Wrasses require a few large fish in the system and Tangs don't count. There are exceptions but they typically do not live long without these large fish (they feed off of the slime coating). So you chance of success will be low in my opinion.
You could have Neon Gobies though.
Originally Posted by rickross23 http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465513
Could I have a cleaner wrasse with my setup?
Generally speaking Cleaner Wrasses require a few large fish in the system and Tangs don't count. There are exceptions but they typically do not live long without these large fish (they feed off of the slime coating). So you chance of success will be low in my opinion.
You could have Neon Gobies though.
rickross23
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Is there any tips or pointers for me starting up? (I'm in cycling part fyi).
meowzer
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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465518
Generally speaking Cleaner Wrasses require a few large fish in the system and Tangs don't count. There are exceptions but they typically do not live long without these large fish (they feed off of the slime coating). So you chance of success will be low in my opinion.
You could have Neon Gobies though.
REALLY? Why don't tangs count? I have had a cleaner wrasse in my 225G since 7/2010, and it mostly hangs around the Sailfin Tang.....I will say though...it does eat frozen foods when I feed the tank, and it also picks on the rocks
Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465518
Generally speaking Cleaner Wrasses require a few large fish in the system and Tangs don't count. There are exceptions but they typically do not live long without these large fish (they feed off of the slime coating). So you chance of success will be low in my opinion.
You could have Neon Gobies though.
REALLY? Why don't tangs count? I have had a cleaner wrasse in my 225G since 7/2010, and it mostly hangs around the Sailfin Tang.....I will say though...it does eat frozen foods when I feed the tank, and it also picks on the rocks
btldreef
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Could I have a cleaner wrasse with my setup?
I don't recommend it. Most die in captivity in the first few months. There are some people (Meowzer and I, for example) that have gotten lucky with them in larger systems and gotten them to eat frozen and live long term, but it is really not recommended, nor the norm.
I don't recommend it. Most die in captivity in the first few months. There are some people (Meowzer and I, for example) that have gotten lucky with them in larger systems and gotten them to eat frozen and live long term, but it is really not recommended, nor the norm.
reefkprz
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Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465578
I don't recommend it. Most die in captivity in the first few months. There are some people (Meowzer and I, for example) that have gotten lucky with them in larger systems and gotten them to eat frozen and live long term, but it is really not recommended, nor the norm.
I can't possibly emphasize how much I agree.
Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465578
I don't recommend it. Most die in captivity in the first few months. There are some people (Meowzer and I, for example) that have gotten lucky with them in larger systems and gotten them to eat frozen and live long term, but it is really not recommended, nor the norm.
I can't possibly emphasize how much I agree.
bang guy
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465553
REALLY? Why don't tangs count?
Tangs don't produce very much slime.
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/390947/help/20#post_3465553
REALLY? Why don't tangs count?
Tangs don't produce very much slime.
rickross23
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alright guys. can neons be kept in 2's?
rickross23
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Is a pair of small picasso clownfish worth $161.44?