House passed the Health Bill

[geridoc]

True, she will be "paying the higher taxes so the less fortunate can have insurance", but she will also have received several hundred thousands of dollars of medical education at taxpayer expense (tuition doesn't begin to cover the true cost of medical education), as well as the opportunity to purchase health insurance at a discounted rate while she is in medical school (not that she will need it since she will be on your policy).

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3249538
Hey, at least my kids can stay on my insurance until they're 26. My youngest is aspiring to become a cardiologist/neurologist. She'll be in her 30's before she can even look at getting a job that provides health insurance. Ironically, once she starts practicing her profession, she'll be the one paying the higher taxes so the less fortunate can have insurance.
True, she will be "paying the higher taxes so the less fortunate can have insurance", but she will also have received several hundred thousands of dollars of medical education at taxpayer expense (tuition doesn't begin to cover the true cost of medical education), as well as the opportunity to purchase health insurance at a discounted rate while she is in medical school (not that she will need it since she will be on your policy).

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3249557
So if you go into college at 18 it takes 8 years to get out of college with a Bachelor's? what are you doing taking 2 classes a symester?
Most undergraduate institutions have 60-70% graduation rates after 5 years, so I assume that the age of 26 is supposed to cover graduate education as well.

 

[bionicarm]

Most BA degrees take at least 5 years, unless you're hard core and are taking 18-21 hours per semester. If you take 15 hours a semester, and also take summer classes, you can get out in four. Don't ask me. Maybe they selected 26 so kids have the opportunity to continue their education and get post-graduate degrees like a Master's? My oldest wants to be a school teacher. She has to first get her BA in Education, then she has to take the classes to get her teaching certification, which is another 1 - 2 years, depending on which grade level she wants to teach. Nursing school is another couple years I believe if you want to get into that profession (have to ask the wife that question).

 

[renogaw]

stdreb...two bills were passed independantly of each other. we have the senate's bill signed verbatim by both parties, which is the only way it goes to the president.
the reconcilliation may or may not get passed by the senate. but let me ask you something. why would the senate pass the house's reconcilliation, when it removes all the crap that the senate put in??

 

[renogaw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3249554
A medical student doesn't have time to work a part-time job, much less a full-time job just to get medical benefits. I assume they came up with the age of 26 because that's the typical age a child hits once they've completed enough college to obtain their Bachelor's degree, and then has time to get a job that provides medical benefits.
you do realize that this bill isn't going to come in effect for 4 years worth of tax collections right? so your 27 yo won't be covered anyway...

 

[darthtang aw]

This is friggin hilarious......no seriously. The complaint is people aren't insured and can't afford to be. The complaint is the coverage of insurance "sucks" and some people get dropped or aren't fully covered. Yet this wonderful congress passes a bill that we start paying on immediately...yet we don't get coverage for 4 more years. We only get coverage for 6 out of the next 10 years. So basically they are WORSE than the insurance companies.........
In order for this bill to be "paid" for we have to have 4 years of no coverage but payments....ok, so the decade after that do we also have to pay for ten years and get 6?
what moron spend 900 billion to save 100 billion?
That is like buying a Hummer for 75,000 on a 5 dollar an hour job but justifying it because you got 25% off the hummer.

 

[stdreb27]

politically speaking, I don't understand why they passed the senate bill. Logic is out the window if you take the assumption that they are acting in a way that ensures their seat in the next election...
But an idea, (that I'm not completely sold on) would be because it would allow for further steps to be taken to shift this bill further left.

 

[reefraff]

I agree but it is actually a good aspect of this. If everyone buys their own insurance me and you don't have to pick up their slack, If this provison is dumped the bad stuff still stays in. I am torn on that part of it. I think they need to be slapped down as far as ignoring the constitution but I would really like for them to be able to find a way to make people do the right thing as far as paying their own way.

 

[reefraff]

Thats another aspect of the plan that is good. You may not be able to afford to keep her on your plan until she's 26 but it's a nice option

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3249584
I agree but it is actually a good aspect of this. If everyone buys their own insurance me and you don't have to pick up their slack, If this provison is dumped the bad stuff still stays in. I am torn on that part of it. I think they need to be slapped down as far as ignoring the constitution but I would really like for them to be able to find a way to make people do the right thing as far as paying their own way.
Except, the govt is going to be subsidizing it. So they'll tax you more then turn around and pay someone 50% or whatever of what they need to be paying. They're saying you must buy healthcare, then subsidizing you to buy it. With your own money...
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3249585
Thats another aspect of the plan that is good. You may not be able to afford to keep her on your plan until she's 26 but it's a nice option
You can do that now well yesterday, assuming you're in college full time and jump through a couple minor hoops, to prove that he's still under your care... In college I was under my folks plan until my dad lost his job. Then I went out and got my own through work.

 

[reefraff]

That right there is the real question. Back in the 90's there were changes to the house version of the assault weapons ban through the reconcilliation process that went against promises made to get some votes. I don't remember the details but it is an example of what can happen.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3249586
Except, the govt is going to be subsidizing it. So they'll tax you more then turn around and pay someone 50% or whatever of what they need to be paying. They're saying you must buy healthcare, then subsidizing you to buy it. With your own money...
You can do that now well yesterday, assuming you're in college full time and jump through a couple minor hoops, to prove that he's still under your care... In college I was under my folks plan until my dad lost his job. Then I went out and got my own through work.
Most plans would let full time students stay on until they were 23.
I don't have a problem helping the poor pay for things. What I oppose is paying their whole way while they don't pay squat.
As long as they are backing up the entitlement gravy train maybe I should see if they have some grants for us "disabled" folks. I could start a coral reef demonstration project as a way of providing therapy for those who can't go to a real reef. Wonder how big of a tank I could get them to pay for

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3249591
Most plans would let full time students stay on until they were 23.
I don't have a problem helping the poor pay for things. What I oppose is paying their whole way while they don't pay squat.
As long as they are backing up the entitlement gravy train maybe I should see if they have some grants for us "disabled" folks. I could start a coral reef demonstration project as a way of providing therapy for those who can't go to a real reef. Wonder how big of a tank I could get them to pay for

You should try, they've spent money in worse ways...

 

[bionicarm]

The last count I saw was 37 of the 50 states are already going to file suits saying this new bill is Unconstitutional. Looks like Texas will get to seceed after all!

 

[baloo6969]

It's sad.
Imagine what getting a DR's appointment is going to be like now...only 11234102834 times worse.
I'm sick today, called the DR, he cant fit me in till thursday...now the governement is opening the flood gates at the DR's office.
I got a letter 2 days ago from the DRs office. My Dr's is actually joining a group, where they will only take in 1000 'members' and he and his partner will treat only those 1000 number of people a year. It costs 2000 per person to join each year. Guess this is going to be the only way to get an appointment...
I imagine more and more DRs will be doing the same.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3249620
The last count I saw was 37 of the 50 states are already going to file suits saying this new bill is Unconstitutional. Looks like Texas will get to seceed after all!
lol the founders started a riot over a tea tax... I wonder what they'd do now...

 

[bionicarm]

Must be some pretty good doctor's if they think they can charge a $2000 membership to have an opportunity to see them.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3249632
Must be some pretty good doctor's if they think they can charge a $2000 membership to have an opportunity to see them.
You would still need insurance, since the $2K wouldn't cover hospitalization. labs, X-ray, etc. Eventually the marketplace will end the "boutique" trend.

 

[lovethesea]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3249591
I don't have a problem helping the poor pay for things. What I oppose is paying their whole way while they don't pay squat.
:

EXACTLY !!!!!!! the ones who can but refuse and know they don't have to because they havent done squat in YEARS.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3249632
Must be some pretty good doctor's if they think they can charge a $2000 membership to have an opportunity to see them.

This has actually been around for awhile now. Some Doc's can get away with it, most can't.