House passed the Health Bill

[fishtaco]

I'm not mind numb at all, if I like a Republican I will vote for them and do, we lost a really good guy here in Oregon, he was a moderate Republican that people liked, of course every local conservative radio host took turns bending him over and calling him a rhino, then there was the backlash against conservatism and he lost his seat. Both the right and left took turns destroying him. I voted for the guy, so really don't try and tell me I am a lib, you conservatives really need to stop using it like a swear word to decribe anyone not lock step with your ideology, it is a bad habit most conservatives have gotten into and it is only driving away votes. If you guys can find a lib with as many Stihl power tools, a bad-ass 2-stroke three wheeler, a race car and a F-250 with a balanced and blueprinted 390 bored out to 411 let me know. My garage would be enough to make the average liberal faint over and twitch because it is so politically incorrect. LOL
Fishtaco.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3263086
I'm not mind numb at all, if I like a Republican I will vote for them and do, we lost a really good guy here in Oregon, he was a moderate Republican that people liked, of course every local conservative radio host took turns bending him over and calling him a rhino, then there was the backlash against conservatism and he lost his seat. Both the right and left took turns destroying him. I voted for the guy, so really don't try and tell me I am a lib, you conservatives really need to stop using it like a swear word to decribe anyone not lock step with your ideology, it is a bad habit most conservatives have gotten into and it is only driving away votes. If you guys can find a lib with as many Stihl power tools, a bad-ass 2-stroke three wheeler, a race car and a F-250 with a balanced and blueprinted 390 bored out to 411 let me know. My garage would be enough to make the average liberal faint over and twitch because it is so politically incorrect. LOL
Fishtaco.
Anyone who thinks the Republican party is controlled by the right wing is either extremely leftist or clueless about the Republican party power structure. All I got to say is Republican party presidential nominee John McCain.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263119
Anyone who thinks the Republican party is controlled by the right wing is either extremely leftist or clueless about the Republican party power structure. All I got to say is Republican party presidential nominee John McCain.
Heck minus his hard line on the war, you could point to W. too...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3263086
I'm not mind numb at all, if I like a Republican I will vote for them and do, we lost a really good guy here in Oregon, he was a moderate Republican that people liked, of course every local conservative radio host took turns bending him over and calling him a rhino, then there was the backlash against conservatism and he lost his seat. Both the right and left took turns destroying him. I voted for the guy, so really don't try and tell me I am a lib, you conservatives really need to stop using it like a swear word to decribe anyone not lock step with your ideology, it is a bad habit most conservatives have gotten into and it is only driving away votes. If you guys can find a lib with as many Stihl power tools, a bad-ass 2-stroke three wheeler, a race car and a F-250 with a balanced and blueprinted 390 bored out to 411 let me know. My garage would be enough to make the average liberal faint over and twitch because it is so politically incorrect. LOL
Fishtaco.
And yet you reach the exact same conclusions that the lib left want you too...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3263157
Heck minus his hard line on the war, you could point to W. too...
The whole notion is ridiculous. The Dems have moved to the extreme left over the last 20 years while the Republicans have moved more moderate. Bush was hardly a conservative in the mold of Reagan, Bob Dole wasn't either. Heck when Bush had Congress he didn't even reinstate the rule requiring union employees be notified of their rights under the Beck decision. That was a policy reversed by Clinton that Daddy Bush had implemented, who wasn't exactly a flaming right winger himself. It's just absurd.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263252
The whole notion is ridiculous. The Dems have moved to the extreme left over the last 20 years while the Republicans have moved more moderate. Bush was hardly a conservative in the mold of Reagan, Bob Dole wasn't either. Heck when Bush had Congress he didn't even reinstate the rule requiring union employees be notified of their rights under the Beck decision. That was a policy reversed by Clinton that Daddy Bush had implemented, who wasn't exactly a flaming right winger himself. It's just absurd.
I agree that the Dems have moved farther left also, but can you honestly tell me that McCain would again get the nomination in todays political climate, he is in danger of being voted out as I type this and his competition is a Tea Party guy and I believe a far-right radio host. Bush might have been a moderate, but since the defeat in the last election the GOP has moved way further to the right as a party and that has scared the people in congress enough that they are at least saying they are also moving futher right to appease the masses. I have a local state representative who is an old-fashioned Democrat who manages to get re-elected again and again despite this being about as conservative of an area as you can get, that is the type of person that I think is good for this country and we need more of regardless of party. Instead the right has a person like Palin down in Eugene on friday and the local GOP party is getting 250 dollars a plate to listen to her speak and since she is so popular they sold out, people where paying 100 dollars a plate just to watch her speak on closed circuit tv, this kind of they is just bad regardless of which party is doing it and not doing a thing to make this a better country. We need people to run for office that are honest, moral and interested in helping the country and party should not make a difference, that is why I am a independant.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3263310
I agree that the Dems have moved farther left also, but can you honestly tell me that McCain would again get the nomination in todays political climate, he is in danger of being voted out as I type this and his competition is a Tea Party guy and I believe a far-right radio host. Bush might have been a moderate, but since the defeat in the last election the GOP has moved way further to the right as a party and that has scared the people in congress enough that they are at least saying they are also moving futher right to appease the masses. I have a local state representative who is an old-fashioned Democrat who manages to get re-elected again and again despite this being about as conservative of an area as you can get, that is the type of person that I think is good for this country and we need more of regardless of party. Instead the right has a person like Palin down in Eugene on friday and the local GOP party is getting 250 dollars a plate to listen to her speak and since she is so popular they sold out, people where paying 100 dollars a plate just to watch her speak on closed circuit tv, this kind of they is just bad regardless of which party is doing it and not doing a thing to make this a better country. We need people to run for office that are honest, moral and interested in helping the country and party should not make a difference, that is why I am a independant.
I've been an independent since the late 90's. I have maybe came across 3 Democrats I found worthy of my vote in that time and one of those was really more a vote agains a bad Republican.
Right now if you took a snapshot in time the Republican party would be more conservative than it has in years. But the power structure is still dominated by moderates. The current tide is toward conservatism because Bushes liberal spending policies and Obama's march toward socialism is bankrupting the country. Give it a cycle and it will be back to the same ol crap come 2012.