I Cant Keep Tangs Whats Up With This???

[sepulatian]

Has the skimmer ever collected much skimate since you have had it? The acclimation time is a good point for why the tangs don't live long. I may have missed this but do you have a quarantine tank? Tangs are sensitive creatures in some ways. It may not be one big problem but many little ones. Short acclimation combined with the stress of the move and the large difference in water quality from the LFS and your tank could all be factors. Do you always buy from the same LFS? If you seriously want a tang try ordering one from here. Slow-drip acclimate it into a fully cycled qt tank. Allow him to eat and get comfortable for at least 3 weeks then slow-drip acclimate him into your display. Best of luck to you.

 

[kwiknezy1]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
Has the skimmer ever collected much skimate since you have had it? The acclimation time is a good point for why the tangs don't live long. I may have missed this but do you have a quarantine tank? Tangs are sensitive creatures in some ways. It may not be one big problem but many little ones. Short acclimation combined with the stress of the move and the large difference in water quality from the LFS and your tank could all be factors. Do you always buy from the same LFS? If you seriously want a tang try ordering one from here. Slow-drip acclimate it into a fully cycled qt tank. Allow him to eat and get comfortable for at least 3 weeks then slow-drip acclimate him into your display. Best of luck to you.

When i first installed the protein skimmer it worked great, but after i modified it, it has not produced much foam. basically when i first set things up i had a 22 gallon nano under the tankthat i was using as a sump, so i was able to hang it on the sump, but now i have a 35 gallin tank under there i didnt have any room, so i moved the skimmer and i had to do some plumbing. i have pvc that i used to add on the lengths needed to get the water from the sump,and back to the tank, i wish i could take pics but all of the plumbing that i did is all behind the tank. But like i said earlier, i have lots of bubbles in the skimmer, just nothing is collecting in the cup.
Yes, 98% of the time i get everything from the same store.
Yes i have a QT, as stated previously, it was cycled from water changes from my main tank. read back a little farther. I realized also that i was using incorrect chemicals in the tank too. Or a bad combination of 2.

 

[sudc]

I wouldn't order one. Apparently, something is already stresses them out big time so i wouldn't add the stress of shipping.
Maybe be a little more selective at your lfs.
Make sure you get :
1) one that looks healthy, no spots, ragged fins, etc.
2) one that you actually see EATING in the store
3) one that didn't just arrive from god knows where and is still stressed or adjusting to the lfs tanks. Try one that has been there for at least a week or 2.

 

[kwiknezy1]

Well i did it. It hurt alot, but here it is
I had this

But with these:

Equals this final result

So it took a few minutes to try and figure out how to place the rock, This is probably not how it will stay.. Now hopefully i have enough surface area .. I still have 2 large peices that i could not bring myself to bust up, they are in both corners.. I also added another maxi-jet 1200 to the very back of the tank behind all of the rock to have better flow back there, so now i have a total of 4 maxijet 1200 in the tank, plus the one coming from the sump...

 

[renogaw]

oh, MUCH better!!! that looks so much nicer, and gives more room for your fishies to swim through!

 

[renogaw]

you'll need to though bring some of the rocks away from the top of the water for when you do waterchanges.

 

[sudc]

Originally Posted by renogaw
you'll need to though bring some of the rocks away from the top of the water for when you do waterchanges.
Notreally. I have lr and corals that are at the top of the water line and come out during a water change. As long as it isn't an extended period of time, it should be fine. I've seen pics of parts of the great barrier reef at low tide where huge entire acro colonies, live rock and various other things are completely out of the water for an hour or more and they look incredible.
Personally, i liked the lr the way you had it originally better but they both look good. Your fishies will like the new look better though. Looks like more room for them to swim and more hiding places.

 

[benter]

I would have to go with the stray voltage theory as well. I had the exact same problem..could not keep a tang alive for 24 hours..of any type. Put a grounding probe in and wallah...no more problems and I have enjoyed keeping tangs ever since...Just my .02...Fairly cheap and easy fix...

 

[kwiknezy1]

Originally Posted by renogaw
oh, MUCH better!!! that looks so much nicer, and gives more room for your fishies to swim through!

Man, that was alot of work, plus i gained about 20 or so lbs of rubble for the Fuge.. I removed all of the damsels Except for one ( he evaded me by hiding in a rock ) but he is a small peach colored one. smaller than the clowns..

so , now ill have to watch levels and see if i have a small spike due to maybe a mini-cycle..
The only thing that sucks now, is i actually liked it better with the bigger peices.. Actually looksd like 200 lbs of rock. now it is 170 or so lbs and looks like 75 LOL. Oh yeah the first photo was taken before adding the other 3 peices of rock that weighed in at a little over 30LBS each.. I guess one good thing though, is that i do have more room ( ledges ) for corals...

 

[1journeyman]

You'll get used to the new look.
Did you check for stray voltage yet? I'm really really curious.

 

[kwiknezy1]

one more thing i noticed today. My gargonians never looked this good.. Check this out.. I just took the photo... I dunno, maybe everything will be ok.

 

[sudc]

I don't have any experience at all with stray voltage but wouldn't it be affecting his other fish as well? Could stray voltage kill a tang overnight and not hurt his other fish long term? Also, if it was that high, couldn't he feel the stray voltage when he put his hands in the tank?
p.s.- the gorgonians probably LOVE all the extra nutrients in the water column from the tank being stirred up!

 

[kwiknezy1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
You'll get used to the new look.
Did you check for stray voltage yet? I'm really really curious.

No i have not.. I will be going to my shop later this afternoon to grab my meter.. while i am out. I will go on and pick up a grounding probe to be safe.. if i get a reading ill post it up.. You know i wasnt that curious, but now i am.. i promise ill let you know what i get..

 

[renogaw]

Originally Posted by KwikNezy1
No i have not.. I will be going to my shop later this afternoon to grab my meter.. while i am out. I will go on and pick up a grounding probe to be safe.. if i get a reading ill post it up.. You know i wasnt that curious, but now i am.. i promise ill let you know what i get..

i don't see how stray voltage wouldnt kill all the damsels and clowns he has in there, or him seeing how he's had his hands in the water, but would kill a tang in 24 hrs.

 

[kwiknezy1]

Originally Posted by renogaw
i don't see how stray voltage wouldnt kill all the damsels and clowns he has in there, or him seeing how he's had his hands in the water, but would kill a tang in 24 hrs.

You know i thought the same thing.. But what the hell right... might as well get'er dun.. Can never be too safe now can we.. plus i live in a really old house that does not have GFCI plugs. So it would probably be a really good idea.. Considering my hands are always in the tank.. and i mean always, i sit here and stare at it for hours just to see if a peice of rock would look better in another place.. Like last night when i was busting up all of the rock.. i did not go to bed till 4 this morning.. One more thing.. look at the clarity of the water.. lastnight you could not see anything. but today crystal clear.. I must say..AWESOME FILTERATION..Lots of water movement now..i am happy with the results.. I will probably get more rock from my LPS..

 

[kwiknezy1]

well no stray voltage.. meter showed 0.001. I used my Fluke.I tested using both AC and DC current settings. I still purchased a grounding probe to se safe.. I will be purchasing a GFCI Power strip later on when i get paid. Basically what i have seen, it is a powerstrip with a grounding probe that you hook up to it..

 

[digitydash]

Originally Posted by renogaw
i feed my fish 2x per day, but most of the time it is only flake.
i haven't tested nitrates in my tank, but i also have a great batch of chaeto growing and my dsb is nice and black.
as for not changing your water in 9 months, why on earth wouldnt you? the trace elements in your tank that your fish, bacteria, sand, and corals (if any) are probably depleted by now.
Mainly cause my fish push the sand into the back of the rock and it is a big ordeal to do it.I have fish that shift threw the sand.sometimes I will put my sump pump pointed down behind the rock to blow the sand back out to the front but that only a temp fix,rite now though their no sand in front in all behind the reef.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by renogaw
i don't see how stray voltage wouldnt kill all the damsels and clowns he has in there, or him seeing how he's had his hands in the water, but would kill a tang in 24 hrs.
My *theory* was that Tangs are schooling fish and therefore might have much more sensitive lateral lines.
As there is no stray current it's a pointless theory.
Did all the Tangs die overnight? If so my next theory is that your O2 levels are falling too much at night.

 

[kwiknezy1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
My *theory* was that Tangs are schooling fish and therefore might have much more sensitive lateral lines.
As there is no stray current it's a pointless theory.
Did all the Tangs die overnight? If so my next theory is that your O2 levels are falling too much at night.

ok, how can i correct that???

 

[renogaw]

o2 falling would be shown by a drop in pH. if you have a fuge, that is supposed to help. basically the thought is when the lights come off, the algae either starts using oxygen, or stops producing it (no photosynthesis) which causes the pH to drop. so if you keep a fuge with macro algae going with opposite light schedules, you have some oxygen production and is supposed to keep the pH stable.