I just don't get how this guy might be the next leader of the Free World

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2823157
I would sacrifice my union status in order to see that this country gets back on its feet.Being a member of a Union i have seen somethings that im not really proud of.For instance in the winter time i will work at the McCormic Place on trade shows and the Union will charge vendors a ridiculous amounts of money for a electrician to plug in a light,or a decorator to hang a picture with Velcro,or a carpenter to cam lock to pieces of display together...... Or how about a Laborer pushing a broom are picking up debris making around $38 an hour .The Laborer makes around $38 but the Union is charging some where around $68.And it the same for all Unions. That isn't right.Honestly i know we have raised ourselves right out of a lot of work.Unions arent alway fair.But they where good for people when the first formed ,now they are out of controll.
You just described journey's job.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2823589
You shouldn't.
Now, why should I be lumped in with the people that choose to start having kids before they can afford to take care of them? Why should I be lumped in with those people who didn't stay in school and get an education? Why should I be lumped in with those folks that would rather wait for the Government to bail them out as opposed to working their butts off to get ahead? Why should I be lumped in with the people that don't choose to put health insurance as a major priority?
Because you believe in Pro Life and are anti-abortion.
Because you were fortunate enough to either have parents who could help you get a college education, or find a job that allowed you to pay for it. You know how many high school students I know that have tried to find part-time jobs to start saving money for college, but couldn't find a thing?
Again, what jobs?
Cost. You're clueless dude.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2823595
Here is a better one:
THE DAY IN THE LIFE OF AN AMERICAN
by 1Journeyman
Joe wakes up in the morning. He is alive. While he slept the soldiers from the strongest military in the world were fighting, bleeding, and maybe dying so he could sleep in peace. That voluntary military uses the best weapons in the world because some Conservative fought for a strong defense.
Joe turns on the news. He gets to choose what he watches or what he listens to because some Conservative fought for free speech.
Joe goes to his garage and gets in his car. That's right, he owns his own vehicle, as do a large percentage of Americans. He can afford it because some Conservative fought to limit insane labor union practices, crazy taxes on gasoline, and realistic prohibitions on emissions.
Joe goes to work at a job he is actually qualified to do and gets paid what he is worth. Joe has the right to work hard and get ahead because some Conservative fought to keep Government out of business. While Joe works he doesn't give a second thought to a jet crashing into his office because some Conservative fought to take the war to the enemy instead of waiting for for our homeland to get hit again.
Joe goes home for the weekend. Maybe he goes hunting. Maybe he goes to the shooting range. Maybe he goes target shooting. All with his own gun that some Conservative fought to keep in his legal possession.
Joe decides to spend some money. It is, after all, his money. Thanks to some Conservative that fought to allow him to keep the majority of what he makes.
Joe goes to sleep at night. While he sleeps the greatest Intelligence Agencies in the world monitor terrorists all around the world to see where they next might harm Joe. Joe doesn't give a thought to the Conservative who fought to keep FISA and other Intel laws in effect.

I prefer the liberal story. Just re-read yours. Guns and military are more important than the environment, helping people get where they need to go, help people get the proper medical care when they need it? You have some strange priorities. Forget Socialism. You want a Military State. That reeks of Communism.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2823661
Because you believe in Pro Life and are anti-abortion.
Because you were fortunate enough to either have parents who could help you get a college education, or find a job that allowed you to pay for it. You know how many high school students I know that have tried to find part-time jobs to start saving money for college, but couldn't find a thing?
Again, what jobs?
Cost. You're clueless dude.
Where were these kids looking, the bottom of their shoes?
I was in in your neighborhood less than 60 days ago. I saw all of the new shops, restaurants and stores being built. We laughed about how one of the fast food restaurants had a sign offering $10 an hour...
Don't try that crap. There are plenty of jobs in Texas; SA in particular.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2823663
I prefer the liberal story. Just re-read yours. Guns and military are more important than the environment, helping people get where they need to go, help people get the proper medical care when they need it? You have some strange priorities. Forget Socialism. You want a Military State. That reeks of Communism.
Is that the Communist state you claim was around for hundreds of years before Democracy?
Reread the Constitution; then reread the two stories and see which one follows the vision our founding fathers had.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2823711
Is that the Communist state you claim was around for hundreds of years before Democracy?
Reread the Constitution; then reread the two stories and see which one follows the vision our founding fathers had.
I could care less what the Founding Fathers dreamed about over over 230 years ago. They laid the principles, but couldn't have imagined in their wildest dreams where we'd be today. If the Founding Fathers had so many 'visions', why are there so many amendments to the Bill Of Rights?
Your entire life is about militaristic views. My 401K has lost almost half its value over the last three months, but Boy Howdy, I still have my shotgun and my .357 magnum!! You worry WAY too much about protecting your freedoms, when there will be no freedoms left if we don't fix the economy. Sorry, but just as many liberals have fought for freedom of speech, taxes on gasoline, and environmental issues. Conservatives don't have a lock on those causes. You need to face reality. We need to get THIS country fixed, and stop worrying about protecting and fixing every other country on this planet.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2823708
Where were these kids looking, the bottom of their shoes?
I was in in your neighborhood less than 60 days ago. I saw all of the new shops, restaurants and stores being built. We laughed about how one of the fast food restaurants had a sign offering $10 an hour...
Don't try that crap. There are plenty of jobs in Texas; SA in particular.
You come 'visit' San Antonio for a couple of days, and now you're an expert on job opportunities? You've got to be kidding me. I've lived here since 1981. I KNOW what job opportunities are available. I have a junior in high school that's been looking for ANY part-time job for months, and hasn't been able to find one. $10/hour at a restaurant? Which one? I'll send her over there today.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2823732
I could care less what the Founding Fathers dreamed about over over 230 years ago.....
I really probably should just stop there.... that sums it up, doesn't it?
Originally Posted by Bionicarm
If the Founding Fathers had so many 'visions', why are there so many amendments to the Bill Of Rights?
I don't mean this as an attack, but as a serious question; Have you ever read the Constitution? The Bill of Rights haven't been amended. The "Bill of Rights" is the name of the first 10 Amendments the founding fathers wrote, namely Madison, to ease the States' fears that there would never be an oppressive, some would say Socialist, Federal Government. The Bill of Rights are the 10 most famous Amendments including freedom of speech, due process, States' Rights, Gun ownership, etc.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2823757
I really probably should just stop there.... that sums it up, doesn't it?
I don't mean this as an attack, but as a serious question; Have you ever read the Constitution? The Bill of Rights haven't been amended. The "Bill of Rights" is the name of the first 10 Amendments the founding fathers wrote, namely Madison, to ease the States' fears that there would never be an oppressive, some would say Socialist, Federal Government. The Bill of Rights are the 10 most famous Amendments including freedom of speech, due process, States' Rights, Gun ownership, etc.
Yes I've read the Bill Of Rights, and yes, they haven't been amended, YET. You seem to have this paranoia that Obama will amend the 2nd if he gets into office. My point is if the Founding Fathers were so keen on what would happen with our future, why stop at 10? That's why there are Amendments to the Constitution. To address the issues of this country that the Founding Fathers never dreamed would occur.
The problem is, you're stuck in the past, and think this country should be run strickly based on the Bill Of Rights. Sorry, but there is more to life today than making sure you can keep a gun in your closet or can preach the bible in school classrooms. Those issues don't put food on the table, keep medicine in your cabinets, or a roof over your head.
Personally, I think one of the first 10 Amendments should be amended:
Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
How many murderers got away with it because of double jeopardy or self-incrimination (i.e. O.J. Simpson). You can be found Not Guilty of a murder, then come back 6 months later and say 'I did it', and there's nothing they can do to you.
Eminent domain - how many people have lost their property that has been in their families name for generations due to 'imminent domain'? Wasn't there a case in Massachusetts recently where an entire community was taken away becuae 'Big Business' got the government to play the 'imminent domain' card?
 
rylan1

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I know one thing for sure... Sarah Palin hasn't read the Constitution... she doesn't even have a clue to what her job responsiblities as VP would be...
She still has the same position of her orginal 'gaffe' that she would be head of the Senate with additional 'powers' not yet described...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2823937
I know one thing for sure... Sarah Palin hasn't read the Constitution... she doesn't even have a clue to what her job responsiblities as VP would be...
She still has the same position of her orginal 'gaffe' that she would be head of the Senate with additional 'powers' not yet described...
So define what it means to preside over the Senate?
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2823937
I know one thing for sure... Sarah Palin hasn't read the Constitution... she doesn't even have a clue to what her job responsiblities as VP would be...
She still has the same position of her orginal 'gaffe' that she would be head of the Senate with additional 'powers' not yet described...
She's read it more thoroughly than you, obviously.
"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States....:" Taken from the United States Constitution, Article I Section 3.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2823874
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The problem is, you're stuck in the past, and think this country should be run strickly based on the Bill Of Rights. Sorry, but there is more to life today than making sure you can keep a gun in your closet or can preach the bible in school classrooms. Those issues don't put food on the table, keep medicine in your cabinets, or a roof over your head....
The problem is, you all don't know the past well enough. You forget our Country's greatness is a direct result of the Constitution, not despite it. You rail against it, yet don't even know it.
When has Socialism worked? Why, after 200 years should we move away from the founding principles that have made us such a great country?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2824010
The problem is, you all don't know the past well enough. You forget our Country's greatness is a direct result of the Constitution, not despite it. You rail against it, yet don't even know it.
When has Socialism worked? Why, after 200 years should we move away from the founding principles that have made us such a great country?

Because they no longer work in today's world or society. Not everything is black and white anymore. Life isn't as simplistic as it was 200 years ago. Two hundred years ago, no one could imagine the technological advances we've made. No one imagined how vast this country was, and how complicated it would be to run it. Think about it. When the Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791, there were only 14 states in the Union. People back then didn't even know the West Coast existed. Now there's 50 states (one out in the middle of the ocean), and a 'province' sitting in the Caribbean (Puerto Rico). The Federal Government has to take on more repsonsibilities in order to have equalities and peace within the States.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2823157
I would sacrifice my union status in order to see that this country gets back on its feet.Being a member of a Union i have seen somethings that im not really proud of.For instance in the winter time i will work at the McCormic Place on trade shows and the Union will charge vendors a ridiculous amounts of money for a electrician to plug in a light,or a decorator to hang a picture with Velcro,or a carpenter to cam lock to pieces of display together...... Or how about a Laborer pushing a broom are picking up debris making around $38 an hour .The Laborer makes around $38 but the Union is charging some where around $68.And it the same for all Unions. That isn't right.Honestly i know we have raised ourselves right out of a lot of work.Unions arent alway fair.But they where good for people when the first formed ,now they are out of controll.
$68 a paycheck? not bad considering a laborer is making $38 an hour... sign me up... but I have mixed feelings about unions... I don't always believe they do enough... but I have also seen the benefits..
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2824004
She's read it more thoroughly than you, obviously.
"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States....:" Taken from the United States Constitution, Article I Section 3.

She has no executive power over the Senate...
VP is simply a figure head, she can not "just get in there, and push legislation to get America on the right course"
this should not be something we have to argue or debate about.
her vote is for very rare tie-breaking instances and that is it... Question... when was the last time a VP issued a vote?
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2824052

She has no executive power over the Senate...
VP is simply a figure head, she can not "just get in there, and push legislation to get America on the right course"
this should not be something we have to argue or debate about.
her vote is for very rare tie-breaking instances and that is it... Question... when was the last time a VP issued a vote?
I think you mean Legislative power...

She would be the President of the Senate... what part of that are you debating?
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2824178
I think you mean Legislative power...

She would be the President of the Senate... what part of that are you debating?
No I mean executive power...
As far as legislative powers... they are limited to their one vote as a tie-breaker...
So let me ask you since you seem to stating the opposite point of view... what is the role of VP... in relation to the executive and legistlative branches.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2824192
No I mean executive power...
As far as legislative powers... they are limited to their one vote as a tie-breaker...
So let me ask you since you seem to stating the opposite point of view... what is the role of VP... in relation to the executive and legistlative branches.
Rylan I'm not stating any view. I QUOTED the Constitution.
When did the Constitution become just a point of view when discussing our Government?
 
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