I just got a raise... now I'm voting McCain!!!

veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2819985
This guy likes to defend big oil hehe. Notice how Mcwar never tells us any of his plans. All he does is smear and fear tactics on Obama.
Can i see some proof of this.
43% on $4B is a lot of money.Do you think taxing more is fair?
If you want to call "The Truth " fear and smear then you are blind or .........
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2819620
So much for a lighthearted thread
#1 Does anyone honestly think what is good for Warren Buffet is good for you?
#2 Obama signed a pledge to take Government financing for his general election campaign. When he saw how much money he could raise he broke his word. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK HE WILL THINK TWICE ABOUT CRAWFISHING ON HIS TAX PROMISES?
#3 what in Obama's record leads you to believe he will cut the size of Government?
#4 Where is the money going to come from to pay for all the promises? Obama's tax plan didn't pay for all his promises before all the bailouts. Now the Democrats are proposing another 300 billion in stimulus. Even if Obama could snap his fingers and bring all the troops out of Iraq tomorrow that doesn't pay for it and doesn't take into account Obama's plan to increase our levels in Afghanistan.
If you seriously believe Obama is going to cut your taxes you are sooo gullible
By the way, all those rich people who "don't mind paying more", why don't they? The government has a well publicized account where people can send in money above their normal tax obligation. I think it collected around 30 grand last year.
Wait a minute... take McCain... he is the one that has a shaky record... When Bush proposed his tax cuts... what was McCain's position on the Bush Tax Cuts?
McCain said he was against them because they disporportionately advantaged the wealthy...
Now he wants to make them permanent.
.. So if he did not have presidential aspirations... do you think he would still have the same point of view?
Second... any responsible president understands that he is going to have to find a way to bring in more tax revenue... as well as to cut spending to pay for the loans we have given and taken, as well as the wars we are in...
So my question is... do you honestly believe McCain won't raise taxes at some point? and people don't do anything until it is required... that is basic human psychology.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2819985
This guy likes to defend big oil hehe. Notice how Mcwar never tells us any of his plans. All he does is smear and fear tactics on Obama.
This also a good point... how much do we know about McCain's plans? Not much... its all smear Obama, Joe the Plumber, Maverick = Reform, or no more Pork.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2819666
I hope it doesn't bump you into the 250,000 no 200,000 no 150,000 no 200,000 no 250,000. Tax bracket. Well I hope it isn't above the arbitrarily made up number that makes you rich in obama's eyes. Because then you'll be feeding his aunt and long lost uncle.
you have to define it somewhere... and what about McCain's family? Or Palin's... who is going to support their daughter and soon to be high school son in law, and child? Why aren't we searching there relatives whom some maybe disadvantaged or druggies or whatever...
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2819639
Nice to have you on the "right" side Crimzy...Go out and buy a really expensive Tang for your nice new aquarium. Stimulate the economy, it's what we Republicans do.
I won't bother with Rylan's ridiculous comments in this thread. The PGA Tour (my peoples) is roughly 95% Republican, I'm sticking with them over the jackasses in Hollywood.

because its based on the GOP's flawed logic... here is a fundemental question... what spurs the economy? A top down theory or a bottom up theory?
Take Michigan for example and the auto industry...
The big 3 CEO's are probably doing pretty well... however with all the layoffs... the economy is terrible because of the sheer # of those job losses... people whom are middle class. They are the ones that drive the ecomony... housing market... etc...
We live in an age where CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses.. has giving them more help build their business and increase employess? No they pocket more, and cut more to increase the bottomline..
Obama has included in his tax plan... to give businesses tax cuts for hiring more employees... this is substance I can follow... what has McCain offered that is substanitive... His campaign is merely reactionary... and when an issue comes up.. they panic. Is this the type of leadership you want?
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820665
you have to define it somewhere... and what about McCain's family? Or Palin's... who is going to support their daughter and soon to be high school son in law, and child? Why aren't we searching there relatives whom some maybe disadvantaged or druggies or whatever...
You don't have to start somewhere at all.
LOL so attacking her daugher wasn't enough for you?
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820671
because its based on the GOP's flawed logic... here is a fundemental question... what spurs the economy? A top down theory or a bottom up theory?
Take Michigan for example and the auto industry...
The big 3 CEO's are probably doing pretty well... however with all the layoffs... the economy is terrible because of the sheer # of those job losses... people whom are middle class. They are the ones that drive the ecomony... housing market... etc...
We live in an age where CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses.. has giving them more help build their business and increase employess? No they pocket more, and cut more to increase the bottomline..
Trickle down worked nicely under Reagan IMO...What's with worrying about CEOs, is that not the American Dream? To make it to the top of your profession and make millions? Why not worry about the ridiculous salaries paid to some professional atheletes whom are making record salaries? If you win 12 games in MLB, you're worth what, about 12 million a year?
 
veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820671
because its based on the GOP's flawed logic... here is a fundemental question... what spurs the economy? A top down theory or a bottom up theory?
Take Michigan for example and the auto industry...
The big 3 CEO's are probably doing pretty well... however with all the layoffs... the economy is terrible because of the sheer # of those job losses... people whom are middle class. They are the ones that drive the ecomony... housing market... etc...
We live in an age where CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses.. has giving them more help build their business and increase employess? No they pocket more, and cut more to increase the bottomline..
Obama has included in his tax plan... to give businesses tax cuts for hiring more employees... this is substance I can follow... what has McCain offered that is substanitive... His campaign is merely reactionary... and when an issue comes up.. they panic. Is this the type of leadership you want?
Lets look at Michigan:
Democratic run
Pro Union
Broke and losing jobs by the thousands
Listen I'm a Union Carpenter,and get paid decent for working hard for 40hr a week.But you wont see me whining because the people i build for are making much much more money than me.I don't want to see the government take money from them to give it to someone who hasn't earned it.Redistribution of Wealth isn't the American Dream. "8 Hours of work for 8 hours of pay" that's the American Way.
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2820689
Lets look at Michigan:
Democratic run
Pro Union
Broke
You can't suggest these conditions are cause and effect to the economics in Michigan without looking at the Big 3. Our largest trade for the last century has quickly become obsolete in the last 3-4 years. Can't blame Democrats or Unions for that.
 
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veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2819494
a question I have is that McCain supporters and campaign talk about how Obama is going to raise taxes... which is true for only a select group of people... then they say that he backed by the elite and hollywood... whom we would consider rich... So if all these rich people who support Obama don't mind paying a little extra... whats the problem? Is it about the greater good or greed? It seems like republicans have old money and dems are new money...
43% plus isn't fair nor is it the way of America.It goes against what this country stands for.
 
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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820691
You can't suggest these conditions are cause and effect to the economics in Michigan without looking at the Big 3. Our largest trade for the last century has quickly become obsolete in the last 3-4 years. Can't blame Democrats or Unions for that.

Ill ask you what have they done to prevent it?Other than blame President Bush and the GOP
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820671
because its based on the GOP's flawed logic... here is a fundemental question... what spurs the economy? A top down theory or a bottom up theory?
Take Michigan for example and the auto industry...
The big 3 CEO's are probably doing pretty well... however with all the layoffs... the economy is terrible because of the sheer # of those job losses... people whom are middle class. They are the ones that drive the ecomony... housing market... etc...
We live in an age where CEO's are making record salaries and bonuses.. has giving them more help build their business and increase employess? No they pocket more, and cut more to increase the bottomline..
Obama has included in his tax plan... to give businesses tax cuts for hiring more employees... this is substance I can follow... what has McCain offered that is substanitive... His campaign is merely reactionary... and when an issue comes up.. they panic. Is this the type of leadership you want?
lol, I know you will refuse to understand. But I'll make this connection for you. Michigan's economy is in the tank. Because the big 3 has really suffered due to high costs, and low sales. So I ask you, how would taxing the rich (like the big three) help the economy? Their costs go up, more people get laid off, the price of the car gets more expensive. Are you ignoring the connection yet?
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2820725
lol, I know you will refuse to understand. But I'll make this connection for you. Michigan's economy is in the tank. Because the big 3 has really suffered due to high costs, and low sales. So I ask you, how would taxing the rich (like the big three) help the economy? Their costs go up, more people get laid off, the price of the car gets more expensive. Are you ignoring the connection yet?
No... there is a difference... individual tax is different from corporate tax... so taxing these CEO's has no barring on business. 2nd, more money in who's pocket benefits the economy more? Just look at the difference of the goods and services they buy... the middle class does more to support a local community economy than a few rich people.
We have had a top down economic policy the last 7 years... has it worked...
Consumer spending is at its worst level in 3 decades.
Low sales? - Why are sales low? ... because their consumers can't afford to make purchases... the economy is best from the bottom up. And by the way I am not talking about Corporations, I am talking about individuals...
 
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820750
No... there is a difference... individual tax is different from corporate tax... so taxing these CEO's has no barring on business. 2nd, more money in who's pocket benefits the economy more? Just look at the difference of the goods and services they buy... the middle class does more to support a local community economy than a few rich people.
We have had a top down economic policy the last 7 years... has it worked...
Consumer spending is at its worst level in 3 decades.
Low sales? - Why are sales low? ... because their consumers can't afford to make purchases... the economy is best from the bottom up. And by the way I am not talking about Corporations, I am talking about individuals...
TAXING CORPORATIONS 43% MEANS THAT THE COST OF THE PRODUCT GOES UP 43% OR JOBS ARE CUT OR JOBS ARE SHIPPED OVER SEAS TO OFFSET THE TAX BURDEN.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE IM WRONG?
OBAMA WANT TO RAISE THESE TAXES SO THE COST WILL GO EVEN HIGHER AND/OR MORE JOBS WILL BE LOST
WHATS SO BAD ABOUT LOWERING TAXES ON EVERYONE SO THAT COST CAN BE LOWERED,MORE OF PEOPLES ALL PEOPLES MONEY REMAINS IN THEIR HANDS AND JOBS CAN BE CREATED?IF THE DEMAND FOR A PRODUCT IS SUCH THAT IT REQUIRES MORE WORKERS THEN ISNT THAT GOOD FOR EMPLOYMENT INCREASES?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2820725
lol, I know you will refuse to understand. But I'll make this connection for you. Michigan's economy is in the tank. Because the big 3 has really suffered due to high costs, and low sales. So I ask you, how would taxing the rich (like the big three) help the economy? Their costs go up, more people get laid off, the price of the car gets more expensive. Are you ignoring the connection yet?
So how does giving people who already have disposable income more ... whom are able to buy, rather than helping those out who are struggling... and can not afford to buy.
If the middle and lower class had more money in their pocket.. they would spend it, which increases sales, thus increasing demand for additional employees, thus making a business more profitable... thus putting more money in CEO's hands.
Making the rich richer... does nothing to spur the economy... because people are still unable to buy... this will not increase jobs... because demand would remain low for goods and services the rich could offer.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820750
No... there is a difference... individual tax is different from corporate tax... so taxing these CEO's has no barring on business. 2nd, more money in who's pocket benefits the economy more? Just look at the difference of the goods and services they buy... the middle class does more to support a local community economy than a few rich people.
We have had a top down economic policy the last 7 years... has it worked...
Consumer spending is at its worst level in 3 decades.
Low sales? - Why are sales low? ... because their consumers can't afford to make purchases... the economy is best from the bottom up. And by the way I am not talking about Corporations, I am talking about individuals...
Really? then why are toyota and honda opening plants in the US while the big three are closing them? The middle class isn't going to buy a thing if they don't have a job from the "evil rich". I ask you this and honestly think about it. Have you ever seen a poor man hire 40 people? Where does the bottom get their money to drive this economy if not from the rich or big business?
This is ironic, your candidate has been trying to tie everything to going on in the economy to the party is running the place, while you steadfastly refuse to admit that michigan's economic woes aren't tied to the democrats running the place.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2820763
TAXING CORPORATIONS 43% MEANS THAT THE COST OF THE PRODUCT GOES UP 43% OR JOBS ARE CUT OR JOBS ARE SHIPPED OVER SEAS TO OFFSET THE TAX BURDEN.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE IM WRONG?
OBAMA WANT TO RAISE THESE TAXES SO THE COST WILL GO EVEN HIGHER AND/OR MORE JOBS WILL BE LOST
show me where Obama has said he is going to tax businesses more...
 
rylan1

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Small
Business Tax
Policies
• Eliminate Capital Gains for Small
Businesses. Obama would cut capital
gains taxes to 0% for investments in
small businesses and start ups.
• A New Small Business Healthcare Tax
Credit. Obama would provide a 50%
health care tax credit to small businesses
and lower health insurance costs by
$2,500 per family for all firms.
 
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