I just got a raise... now I'm voting McCain!!!

rylan1

rylan1

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• Would continue to tax capital gains for
small businesses at 15%.
• Added Costs for Firms That Provide
Health Insurance. McCain would tax
employer contributions to employee health
insurance plans for the first time in
history.
• End Tax Breaks for Companies That
Ship Jobs Overseas. Would reverse the
backwards incentive that allows
companies to defer or avoid taxes
entirely if they invest overseas while
requiring them to pay full and immediate
taxes if they invest in America.
• New Tax Breaks for Companies That
Create Jobs in America. For companies
that expand or create jobs in America,
Barack Obama would lower corporate
tax rates with the savings
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2820775
Really? then why are toyota and honda opening plants in the US while the big three are closing them? The middle class isn't going to buy a thing if they don't have a job from the "evil rich". I ask you this and honestly think about it. Have you ever seen a poor man hire 40 people? Where does the bottom get their money to drive this economy if not from the rich or big business?
This is ironic, your candidate has been trying to tie everything to going on in the economy to the party is running the place, while you steadfastly refuse to admit that michigan's economic woes aren't tied to the democrats running the place.
because it helps them sell cars in the states... plus they offer a better product.
If there is no one to buy your product, than there is no need to hire 40 people. We have more millionaries per capita than ever before, however consumer spending is down more than it has been in 30 years. And I am not saying anyone is evil...
but the middle and lower class far out number the rich... they are the ones who drive the economy.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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That is what he says ,this is what hes done.
*Obama Voted At Least 94 Times For Higher Taxes In The U.S. Senate.
*To Date, Obama Has Voted For A Tax Increase Approximately Once Every Five Days Congress Has Been In Session.
*Obama Voted At Least 12 Times For Higher Income Taxes.
*Obama Voted Against Marriage Penalty Relief At Least Twice.
*Obama Voted Against Extending The Expanded Child Tax Credit.
*Obama Voted At Least 3 Times Against Repealing The 1993 Income Tax Increase On Social Security Benefits.
*Obama Has Voted At Least 5 Times Against Providing Relief From The Alternative Minimum Tax.
*Obama Has Voted At Least 7 Times Against Tax Incentives Benefitting Small Business.
*Obama Voted Against Capital Gains Tax Cuts At Least 9 Times
*Obama Voted Against Tax Cuts On Dividend Income At Least 9 Times.
 
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veni vidi vici

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*Obama Voted Twice In Favor Of The Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget Resolution.
The Democrats’ Budget Would Raise Taxes On Individuals Earning As Little As $31,850.
*Obama’s Vote For The Democrats’ Budget Is At Odds With His Rhetoric On The Campaign Trail, Where He Claims He’ll Provide Tax Relief For Working Americans.
*In The State Senate, Obama Supported “Hundreds Of Tax Increases.
*In 2004, Obama Voted For A $304 Million Tax Increase On Businesses In Creating The Tax Shelter Voluntary Compliance Act.
The Legislation “Triggered A Huge Outcry From Business Groups,” Which Contended It Would “Drive Companies Out Of State” And Cost Jobs.
*In 2003, Obama Voted For A Bill “That Raised A Huge Number Of Fees And Taxes” On Businesses And Licenses.
The Legislation Negatively Impacted Illinois’ Trucking Industry, Costing The State 25,000 Licensed Trucks In 2005.
*In 2003, Obama Voted To Tax Natural Gas Purchased Outside Of Illinois.
The Natural Gas Tax Made Natural Gas More Expensive For Industrial Buyers Such As Manufacturers.
*Obama Voted For The Natural Gas Tax, Which Threatened Jobs, At The Same Time That Illinois Was Leading The Nation In Jobs Lost.
*In 1999, Obama Voted In Favor Of S.B. 1028 To Create The Illinois First Infrastructure Program, Which Raised 146 Taxes And Fees.
This is fact
 
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saltycrab

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2819639
Nice to have you on the "right" side Crimzy...Go out and buy a really expensive Tang for your nice new aquarium. Stimulate the economy, it's what we Republicans do.
I won't bother with Rylan's ridiculous comments in this thread. The PGA Tour (my peoples) is roughly 95% Republican, I'm sticking with them over the jackasses in Hollywood.

Funny you say that. I work at a PGA golf course and everyone is voting McCain. I can rant and rave like an idiot about why but I would rather let the dems do that.
If anyone wants a good laugh check out this vid of one of my favorite dems
Barney Frank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrfPMa3lONU
I almost like him as much as Joe Biden.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820809
because it helps them sell cars in the states... plus they offer a better product.
If there is no one to buy your product, than there is no need to hire 40 people. We have more millionaries per capita than ever before, however consumer spending is down more than it has been in 30 years. And I am not saying anyone is evil...
but the middle and lower class far out number the rich... they are the ones who drive the economy.
If this country is going to hell in the hand basket how are their more millionaires per capita than ever?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2820851
*Obama Voted Twice In Favor Of The Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget Resolution.
The Democrats’ Budget Would Raise Taxes On Individuals Earning As Little As $31,850.
*Obama’s Vote For The Democrats’ Budget Is At Odds With His Rhetoric On The Campaign Trail, Where He Claims He’ll Provide Tax Relief For Working Americans.
*In The State Senate, Obama Supported “Hundreds Of Tax Increases.
*In 2004, Obama Voted For A $304 Million Tax Increase On Businesses In Creating The Tax Shelter Voluntary Compliance Act.
The Legislation “Triggered A Huge Outcry From Business Groups,” Which Contended It Would “Drive Companies Out Of State” And Cost Jobs.
*In 2003, Obama Voted For A Bill “That Raised A Huge Number Of Fees And Taxes” On Businesses And Licenses.
The Legislation Negatively Impacted Illinois’ Trucking Industry, Costing The State 25,000 Licensed Trucks In 2005.
*In 2003, Obama Voted To Tax Natural Gas Purchased Outside Of Illinois.
The Natural Gas Tax Made Natural Gas More Expensive For Industrial Buyers Such As Manufacturers.
*Obama Voted For The Natural Gas Tax, Which Threatened Jobs, At The Same Time That Illinois Was Leading The Nation In Jobs Lost.
*In 1999, Obama Voted In Favor Of S.B. 1028 To Create The Illinois First Infrastructure Program, Which Raised 146 Taxes And Fees.
This is fact
your facts are misleading.... just like the GOP's in saying that Obama voted 96 times for tax increases... This is misleading...
You still haven't answered the fundemental questions... who spurs the economy, and who benefits most under which plan..
McCain said that the fundementals of the economy were strong. Then came back and said that the fundementals are the american worker.
However wages have decreased... and this has been evident since 2001. Productivity is lower than it has been in the past... the manufacturing sector has seen increased layoffs and outsourcing of work. Now our IT positions are being outsourced.
So no the fundementals are not strong. The middle class is shrinking, and not in a positive way.
Now republicans want to cut social programs that target improving our work force through education. Our market has never truly been a free enterprise system... it is a mixed system that relies on both private and public (gov't) sectors to grow.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2820894
If this country is going to hell in the hand basket how are their more millionaires per capita than ever?
are you denying that this is untrue... or just asking how can this be?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2820904
are you denying that this is untrue... or just asking how can this be?
I have no clue what the numbers are but wouldn't doubt it. Just pointing out the irony, you have 1 well really both candidates running around saying how bad this country is, and yet we have more millionaires than ever.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2820894
If this country is going to hell in the hand basket how are their more millionaires per capita than ever?
Are you truly measuring the success of this country based on the prosperity of the wealthiest?
That makes a lot of sense.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820909
Are you truly measuring the success of this country based on the prosperity of the wealthiest?
That makes a lot of sense.

You mean point out that people are moving from the middle to the upper class and not see that as a good thing. Remember we are talking about an increase in the upper class, they didn't just appear.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820909
Are you truly measuring the success of this country based on the prosperity of the wealthiest?
That makes a lot of sense.

Taking from the rich and distributing to others only make sense if you are against Capitalistic principals.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2820943
Taking from the rich and distributing to others only make sense if you are against Capitalistic principals.
Let's get over the whole Robin Hood thing for a minute. Nobody is directly taking from the rich and giving that money to the poor. The issue is that someone is going have their taxes raised. This is simply an issue of the economic crisis that we are in now. While you guys all whine and moan about socialism, blah, blah, blah, all Obama is suggesting is that he believes that the middle class should not bear the weight of this crisis as much as those who are better able to afford it. I happen to agree with this. It's really the lesser of two evils. Would you rather increase the taxes of the millionaire, who really won't feel its affects, or the blue collar worker who struggles to pay the bills and send his kids to college? If you'd rather tax the blue collar guy (as McCain is), then you are either heartless or corrupted by your wealthy palm-greasers.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820954
Let's get over the whole Robin Hood thing for a minute. Nobody is directly taking from the rich and giving that money to the poor. The issue is that someone is going have their taxes raised. This is simply an issue of the economic crisis that we are in now. While you guys all whine and moan about socialism, blah, blah, blah, all Obama is suggesting is that he believes that the middle class should not bear the weight of this crisis as much as those who are better able to afford it. I happen to agree with this. It's really the lesser of two evils. Would you rather increase the taxes of the millionaire, who really won't feel its affects, or the blue collar worker who struggles to pay the bills and send his kids to college? If you'd rather tax the blue collar guy (as McCain is), then you are either heartless or corrupted by your wealthy palm-greasers.
You honestly think that Obama is going to lower taxes? Just today you had the governor of NM saying obama is going to give you a tax cut on people making 120,000 a year. It just keeps getting lower and lower.
That isn't counting sunsetting the bush tax cuts that will raise taxes on EVERYONE.
Except for JFK have you ever seen a democrat (with a democratically controlled congress ever lower taxes?)
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820954
Let's get over the whole Robin Hood thing for a minute. Nobody is directly taking from the rich and giving that money to the poor. The issue is that someone is going have their taxes raised. This is simply an issue of the economic crisis that we are in now. While you guys all whine and moan about socialism, blah, blah, blah, all Obama is suggesting is that he believes that the middle class should not bear the weight of this crisis as much as those who are better able to afford it. I happen to agree with this. It's really the lesser of two evils. Would you rather increase the taxes of the millionaire, who really won't feel its affects, or the blue collar worker who struggles to pay the bills and send his kids to college? If you'd rather tax the blue collar guy (as McCain is), then you are either heartless or corrupted by your wealthy palm-greasers.
I would rather that everyone's taxes are decreased and Washington stops spending our money irresponsibly.The thought of taking from one group and giving to another group who didnt earn that money makes me sick to my stomach.
I dont believe that just because a company is makeing money that it should be required to share its profits.That goes against everything that this country stands for.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2820963
What the hell does all this have to do with Crimzy buying us drinks with the new raise?
Good point... shots on me tonight!!! And if you're a McCain supporter, it's all Everclear and 151.
 
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