I just got a raise... now I'm voting McCain!!!

crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2820973
I would rather that everyone's taxes are decreased and Washington stops spending our money irresponsibly.The thought of taking from one group and giving to another group who didnt earn that money makes me sick to my stomach.
I dont believe that just because a company is makeing money that it should be required to share its profits.That goes against everything that this country stands for.
I too enjoy La La land every now and again. Of course no one should HAVE TO pay more to Uncle Sam. But that is not the reality. You don't think a successful company should have to share its profits with the country.... what about the factory worker, who takes care of a family of 4, having to pay more when he already lives check to check? Is that what this country "stands for"?
I'll tell you this... at my income, I'll be pissed off if my taxes are raised. But if I made 1/2 of my current income and then my taxes were raised, I'd be REALLY pissed off.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820983
You don't think a successful company should have to share its profits with the country....
Simple put, NO
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820983
what about the factory worker, who takes care of a family of 4, having to pay more when he already lives check to check? Is that what this country "stands for"?
McCain isnt going to raise taxes on this family you speak of. As a matter of fact he wants to give this family a increased child deduction
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2820983
I'll tell you this... at my income, I'll be pissed off if my taxes are raised. But if I made 1/2 of my current income and then my taxes were raised, I'd be REALLY pissed off.
If Obama gets elected you might consider buying a umbrella and a rain suit.Not only will you be pissed off but you'll be pissed on as well.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2821004
Heritage asks Obama to pull ads... at first glance you can tell this site is clearly republican and biased
And why dont you tell us why they requested this?
Ill tell you in case you missed it
"Heritage has asked TV stations across the country to stop airing "a" false and misleading Obama "ad" that claims Heritage supports his tax plan."
Not "ads" just the misleading one that relates to The Heritage Foundation
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2821004
Heritage asks Obama to pull ads... at first glance you can tell this site is clearly republican and biased
considering you've quoted the daily kos.
If you read their stuff they are free traders not really republican.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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To be fair though ,this is who they are:
"The Heritage Foundation is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.
The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study Mandate for Leadership. Heritage has since continued to play a significant role in U.S. public policy debate and is widely considered to be one of the most influential research organizations in the United States."
There are conservatives on both sides of the isle.Republican and Democrat.
From this you can tell why Obama would want their endorsement.
 
sharkbait9

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both stink on ice. One wants to tax my job for giving me insurance and one wants everyone to be lazy and tax the business which will end up placing that tax on the cost of my luxury items. So either way I’m gonna pay. But, when obama talks about taking my guns away and my scopes, now I have to vote for the feeble crusty old white guy.
They both sux, either its on the golf course or in the gun range or this message board, he stinks, he sux, he’s gonna tax this.
Face it, people are going to vote for who ever and that’s it, no changing any brain washed fools mind. Neither is serving me the way I want it.
The way its looking, one dies of old age or cancer and the other one gets taking out by some hillbilly white power toting idiot.
Its going to be a hellava right so strap in kids.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2821037
both stink on ice. One wants to tax my job for giving me insurance and one wants everyone to be lazy and tax the business which will end up placing that tax on the cost of my luxury items. So either way I’m gonna pay. But, when obama talks about taking my guns away and my scopes, now I have to vote for the feeble crusty old white guy.
They both sux, either its on the golf course or in the gun range or this message board, he stinks, he sux, he’s gonna tax this.
Face it, people are going to vote for who ever and that’s it, no changing any brain washed fools mind. Neither is serving me the way I want it.
The way its looking, one dies of old age or cancer and the other one gets taking out by some hillbilly white power toting idiot.
Its going to be a hellava right so strap in kids.
One of the best things I've read on a political thread.
 
l8 2 rise

l8 2 rise

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To tell the truth I just read the first post and skimmed the rest and I'm getting pretty sick of all this political talk that gets no where. I've seen it a thousand times, someone posts something that's even slightly political, some left wing "know it all" comes up and for some reason is impelled to write some arguement about how much the republicans suck and the democrats rule. A republican then glances over the arguement and immediately see how bad the democrat's arguement blows because all he has to do is know a couple facts and pay attention and he can see right through the arguement. Then the republican posts some facts, the democrat posts some more that are even more lame than the first, and then the republican posts some real facts that can't be denied and "oh boy, what a surprise", the republican's arguement is either completely ignored by the democrat, or you get some crappy one line response because, really, the democrat knows he's just been owned.
But even so, the arguement has done nothing but waste everyones time because both are too stubborn to yield. The moral of this story, boys and girls, is to friggin calm down and just stay on topic, NO ONE wants to hear it.
oh and BTW, I agree with Crimzy, sharbait makes a pretty good point.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by L8 2 RISE
http:///forum/post/2821071
To tell the truth I just read the first post and skimmed the rest and I'm getting pretty sick of all this political talk that gets no where. I've seen it a thousand times, someone posts something that's even slightly political, some left wing "know it all" comes up and for some reason is impelled to write some arguement about how much the republicans suck and the democrats rule. A republican then glances over the arguement and immediately see how bad the democrat's arguement blows because all he has to do is know a couple facts and pay attention and he can see right through the arguement. Then the republican posts some facts, the democrat posts some more that are even more lame than the first, and then the republican posts some real facts that can't be denied and "oh boy, what a surprise", the republican's arguement is either completely ignored by the democrat, or you get some crappy one line response because, really, the democrat knows he's just been owned.
But even so, the arguement has done nothing but waste everyones time because both are too stubborn to yield. The moral of this story, boys and girls, is to friggin calm down and just stay on topic, NO ONE wants to hear it.
oh and BTW, I agree with Crimzy, sharbait makes a pretty good point.
And the mysterious masked man has spoken. Will we ever know his true identity or does ONLY THE SHADOW KNOW.....MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
zman1

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veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2821225
Veni Vidi Vici, Surely 501 PACs aren't considered credible sources, are they? I am surprised stdreb27 didn't set you straight on this as he did Rylan1....
I would hardly call a foundation thats been around since Reagan a 501.
Its ok though i know the truth is hard for some to swallow.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2821225
Veni Vidi Vici, Surely 501 PACs aren't considered credible sources, are they? I am surprised stdreb27 didn't set you straight on this as he did Rylan1....
I would hardly call a foundation thats been around since Reagan a 501PAC.
Its ok though i know the truth is hard for some to swallow.
Again just for you.
"The Heritage Foundation is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.
The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study Mandate for Leadership. Heritage has since continued to play a significant role in U.S. public policy debate and is widely considered to be one of the most influential research organizations in the United States."
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2821225
Veni Vidi Vici, Surely 501 PACs aren't considered credible sources, are they? I am surprised stdreb27 didn't set you straight on this as he did Rylan1....
You might first want the definition of a 501PAC before you start labeling,try this link for a more informed description.
http://journals.democraticundergroun...al%20Heretic/3
"Summary: Political Action Committees (PACs) are short-term, private organizations that come together around the election / defeat of a candidate or the passage / defeat of a specific piece of legislation. They fall under strict election laws, though the specifics vary if the PAC is a state and not federal PAC. Donations to PACs are a matter of public record, as all PAC contributions and expenditures are reported, and published every few months. PACs can spend whatever money they can raise on any kind of direct political action."
 
zman1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2821242
You might first want the definition of a 501PAC before you start labeling,try this link for a more informed description.

2003 tax return
http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_a...200312_990.pdf
From your link:
Summary: 501(c3)s are non-profits, tax-exempt and donations to them are tax deductible. As a rule, the are not allowed to engage directly in election influencing. Their primary roles are public education, charity, research, etc. However, they can engage in limited lobbying expenditures and limited political advocacy if they do it carefully.
Not a creditable source for unbiased positions... Period.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2821316
2003 tax return
http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_a...200312_990.pdf
From your link:
Summary: 501(c3)s are non-profits, tax-exempt and donations to them are tax deductible. As a rule, the are not allowed to engage directly in election influencing. Their primary roles are public education, charity, research, etc. However, they can engage in limited lobbying expenditures and limited political advocacy if they do it carefully.
Not a creditable source for unbiased positions... Period.
So now since we have clearly confirmed allegations that you made,that is ,that they are not a 501-PAC and they have been around for more than 20 years you want to try and label them something other than a reputable foundation.How about if we just Call them "The Anti-Christ" and get it over with.

"Their primary roles are public education, charity, research, etc."
"As a rule, the are not allowed to engage directly in election influencing."
So whats you point?
They are not allowed to misrepresent the facts or they are subject to being classified as something else. Something like Moveon .org-"501(c4)"
Summary: when you think 501(c4)s think lobbying and public education (moveon's Petraeus Ad is considered a "public education" piece - educating the public on their perspective on an issue). Donations to 501(c4)s are not tax deductable, and they do not have limits on how much of their budget can be spent on lobbying activities.
 
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