I need help with algae

meowzer

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Originally Posted by luvmyreef http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae#post_3451860
No, get the fx-5 for better filtration. That thing is a beast!! Seriously. I love it. It pumps 900+ gallons an hour. Good flow on the return too. Adding more flow can't hurt. Try it and see how it goes. :) I also like to siphon off the rocks with a water change. It is better imo than basting it out into the water column.
It's $230
Can you use a flow bar with it?????
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Originally Posted by Gemmy
http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae#post_3451861
I say first buy a good magnesium test kit.
I already have...LOL....I ordered a salifert, BUT remember....it still has to get here LOL
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae/20#post_3451875
You would have to make your own spray bar.
YEAH....I have been googling it and figured that out.....LOL
SOOOOO what do you think.....DO I NEED MORE filtration?????? getting another filter would do 2 things...add filtration...AND flow......I just don't want to drop another couple hundred bucks unless I am sure....know what I mean
 

luvmyreef

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I dont know about the spray bars, it has large ribbed tubing. It comes with dual head output nozzles that adjust the flow wherever you want it.. I payed more than that lol. It was worth it....but that is just me and my opinion. If you got this one, you could get rid of your other canister. :) Oh, I think BTLDreef has one on her tank.
 

btldreef

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I had one on my 155, didn't need it on the 180 so I sold it with the 155 after the initial cycle.
Lois, I know this isn't a drilled tank, but I can't remember, do you have one overflow or two? One return or two?
I know I've mentioned this in the past, but my 155 was a nightmare. Undrilled and deep, just like your 225. I needed so much flow in that tank, more so than I need in my 180. It drove me up a wall. Large undrilled tanks can really be a PITA, especially when you add in the depth of the 225 vs the 180.
What return pump are you running? It's split to reactors, right?
 

al&burke

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What size pump do you run on your sump? Does the water look clear in the tank? Would a sock for a few days help to get the bigger stuff out? Just thinking out loud meowzer. I think you have too much in your tank as well.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae/20#post_3451889
I had one on my 155, didn't need it on the 180 so I sold it with the 155 after the initial cycle.
Lois, I know this isn't a drilled tank, but I can't remember, do you have one overflow or two? One return or two?
I know I've mentioned this in the past, but my 155 was a nightmare. Undrilled and deep, just like your 225. I needed so much flow in that tank, more so than I need in my 180. It drove me up a wall. Large undrilled tanks can really be a PITA, especially when you add in the depth of the 225 vs the 180.
What return pump are you running? It's split to reactors, right?
One over flow....one return....mag 18...it also runs the phosphate reactor.....but that uses very little
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Originally Posted by Al&Burke
http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae/20#post_3451900
What size pump do you run on your sump? Does the water look clear in the tank? Would a sock for a few days help to get the bigger stuff out? Just thinking out loud meowzer
mag 18......the water is crystal clear....IDK where I would put a sock....LOL
LEANING towards an FX-5......2 reasons....it would add BOTH flow and filtration.......OMG I need a push here one way or the other
 

al&burke

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I originally ran an FX 5 on my tank before I swiched to a sump. Would you pull out of the sump and then return to the DT via a spray bar, what are your thoughts on that. They are a good canister, but I also hear a lot of good things with the eheim, but I don't think they make one that big. Your husband could easily build you a spray bar out of 1" pcv I could figure out the size for you and number of holes so you don't put too much back pressure on the pump. I always though of running chemi pure elite in my FX5 with a bunch of rubble rock in it, no sponges.
 

meowzer

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IDK what you mean about running it thru the sump....I would use the siphon part that came wit hthe filter and place it in the DT
I run chemi pure elite in my cascade...and I have no worries that we can make a spray bar...LOL....and we have a couple to model from
I think I would use the media that came with the filter at first....and upon first cleaning change it out with ceramic rings...and another type of media like phospre w/zeolite...or anything else I choose...
 

al&burke

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The suction part in your sump then the return into your DT, the FX 5 actually does not come with any media, they figure you should put it what you want for your application.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae/20#post_3451914
The suction part in your sump then the return into your DT, the FX 5 actually does not come with any media, they figure you should put it what you want for your application.
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $230 and it comes with NOTHING????
Does it come with the foam it shows in the trays????
You know IDC......I would run my own stuff as I mentioned anyhow
 

btldreef

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Yes, it comes with the trays and foam.
I never used the foam except for right before I was moving and wanted the extra bio filtration to help cycle the 180.
It depends where you buy from, but most Fluval's do NOT come with any media or ceramic rings.
The Fluval FX-5 really helped me on the 155. I ran it without any foam, but ran two Purigen pads and my ChemiPure in it.
 

meowzer

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Thanks......I have a feeling I will order it before the weekend comes to an end....LOL....WTH could it hurt

and I also doubt I will use the foam.....I don't in my other filter either.....just ceramic rings and the chemipure.....
 

meowzer

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OK...LOL....I have the Fluval FX5, a 500ml container of Purigen, a box of bio rings, and a media bag in my cart
SOMEONE PUSH ME BAHAHAHA
You do realize that Danny is on nights this weekend......I tend to do a LOT of shopping when he is at work
 

spanko

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Originally Posted by luvmyreef http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae#post_3451860 I also like to siphon off the rocks with a water change. It is better imo than basting it out into the water column.
You are losing a lot of good food in doing so. There is some great coral food sitting in those rocks. In larger tanks, basting may not be the answer, you may even need to use a power head in your hand to "blow" the rocks off. This I think is your biggest concern Lois and maybe you too Luvy if you are still getting some algae on the rock work. Remember this is not rocket science here, light and nutrient are what algae need to grow with. The light is a given, needed in the tank. You must find the source of the nutrient and do something to do away with the overabundance you have.
Just for your reading pleasure here is an excerpt from The Building of a Reef by EB.
"About a year into it, the sand bed is productive and has stratified, water quality is stable, and the aquarist has bought a few more power heads, understands water quality a bit, corallines and algae, if not corals and other things are photosynthesizing well, and the tank is "mature." That's when fish stop dying when you buy them (at least the cyanide free ones) and corals start to live and grow and I stop getting posts about "I just bought a coral and its dying and my tank is two months old" and they start actually answering some questions here and there instead of just asking questions (though we should all always be asking questions, if not only to ourselves!).
So, ecologically, this is successional population dynamics. Its normal, and it happens when there is a hurricane or a fire, or whatever. In nature though, you have pioneer species that are eventually replaced by climax communities. We usually try and stock immediately with climax species. And find it doesn't always work.
Now, the "too mature" system is the old tank syndrome. Happens in nature, too. That whole forest fire reinvigorating the system is true. Equally true on coral reefs where the intermediate disturbance hypothesis is the running thought on why coral reefs maintain very high diversity...they are stable, but not too stable, and require storms, but not catastrophic ones....predation, but not a giant blanket of crown of thorns, mass bleaching, or loss of key herbivores.
This goes to show what good approximations these tanks are of mini-ecosystems. Things happen much faster in tanks, but what do you expect given the bioload per unit area. So, our climax community happens in a couple years rather than a couple of centuries. Thing is, I am fully convinced that intermediate tank disturbance would prevent old tank syndrome."
I think what Eric is saying here is that it is good to "mix" it up once in a while. In the small systems we have it is easy for things to get stuck in places where they can't be reached. The biodiversity in our tanks do not and cannot equal what is on the reefs. That mixing it up could be as simple as using a power head in your rocks to really get down and deep. Or it could mean a rearrangement of the rock work some, and the flow patterns to accommodate a "storm" on the reef.
 

luvmyreef

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/390054/i-need-help-with-algae/20#post_3451931
OK...LOL....I have the Fluval FX5, a 500ml container of Purigen, a box of bio rings, and a media bag in my cart
SOMEONE PUSH ME BAHAHAHA
You do realize that Danny is on nights this weekend......I tend to do a LOT of shopping when he is at work

Get it. And use the foam at first. I filled mine with 6 bags of chemipure elite and used three fine filter pads too. Get those. Within an hour, my husband was like...that tank is clearer than I have ever seen it!!! I really really like mine......It also comes with a three year warranty....Beware, it is BIG.
Spanko: I am only doing this to get rid of my problem. Since mine is dinos. I never did it before, but am trying everthing for now. I try to remove all I can so the algae won't get it LOL.
 

meowzer

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LUV....How big? I have not found any measurements....can you measure it for me......I may have an issue if it is too big,.....my sum p is in the center of the tank, SO I would have to put it in thru a side door which has a center brace.....
I need width most importantly
Thanks Henry, I do not siphon rocks, but I have blown on them during w/c's....and I do "stir" sand here and there......I may need to use something a little stronger then the baster....hmmmmm
 

meowzer

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NVM...I just found some dimensions.....height is not an issue.....width is :( IDK that I could get it under my stand....BUT....Danny says we can work it out

he says we can put it on the outside and he can build a little cabinet

YAYYYYY (I think)
 

luvmyreef

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I think its around 16 inches in diameter and around 17in high. I have mine in the center. You can run the lines longer if you have to. You know, I also think I am gonna run phos removing pads in mine too. If you do get it, you could put it where your other one is now, unless that is the spot you are talking about....
 
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