Ich (MICU journal)
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kiefers
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377525
*****peeks around the corner********
are all the fish out of the display and in the MICU? Maybe Beth can chime in here but I always wonder why people set up a hospital tank and go the Hypo route. Isn't copper more effective, faster than hypo? Don't know just askin.
Yes, the fish are out of the DT and in a hospital tank (QT). rom my readings from this forum and other sites copper is not reccommded for the corals (will kill the coral and inverts) I set up the "MICU" to hypo because my display tank in full of bacteria which is in the LR and substrate. Hypoing everything in the display will kill it all. It is my understanding to that once you hypo the DT you will or may have to cycle it again. I will get you a URL so if you have the time you can read on it. I just want to treat the Patients" not the tank.
The DT will be empty for 6 to eight weeks and the parasite will hopefully die off due to no host (fish). Once the fish have completed the hypo, fingers crossed, I will have roughly a week to raise the salinity in the hosp. tank then acclimate the fish back into the community. Sorta like in patient therapy.
i see you *peeking there*..... Lol.... I really don't trust the ick meds out there Spanko. I have read to many horror stories on how it made the fish more sick and or killed them. Hypo'ing is the safest route IMO. And yes all the fish are out of the display tank. Have been since Thursday morning. This is also the the type of treatment that takes more time and more patients and more work, keeping Ammonia down and Ph WNL. We are getting ready to hypo 4 more fish just bought yesturday. One of them is my NEON DOTTYBACK!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377525
*****peeks around the corner********
are all the fish out of the display and in the MICU? Maybe Beth can chime in here but I always wonder why people set up a hospital tank and go the Hypo route. Isn't copper more effective, faster than hypo? Don't know just askin.
Yes, the fish are out of the DT and in a hospital tank (QT). rom my readings from this forum and other sites copper is not reccommded for the corals (will kill the coral and inverts) I set up the "MICU" to hypo because my display tank in full of bacteria which is in the LR and substrate. Hypoing everything in the display will kill it all. It is my understanding to that once you hypo the DT you will or may have to cycle it again. I will get you a URL so if you have the time you can read on it. I just want to treat the Patients" not the tank.
The DT will be empty for 6 to eight weeks and the parasite will hopefully die off due to no host (fish). Once the fish have completed the hypo, fingers crossed, I will have roughly a week to raise the salinity in the hosp. tank then acclimate the fish back into the community. Sorta like in patient therapy.
i see you *peeking there*..... Lol.... I really don't trust the ick meds out there Spanko. I have read to many horror stories on how it made the fish more sick and or killed them. Hypo'ing is the safest route IMO. And yes all the fish are out of the display tank. Have been since Thursday morning. This is also the the type of treatment that takes more time and more patients and more work, keeping Ammonia down and Ph WNL. We are getting ready to hypo 4 more fish just bought yesturday. One of them is my NEON DOTTYBACK!!!!!!!!!!
al&burke
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Hey Kiefers, I went throught the hypo treatment for my fish, my CB had it the worse, unfortunately he didn't make it - he got a few other things after the hypo while still in the HT tank. All the other fish came out fine - 2 clowns, 2 chromis, 2 bangaii, 1 bicolored blenny. I am glad I went that route my display was fishless for more than 2 months and in that time I drilled the tank and upgraded with a sump/fuge. Good luck watch your pH and ammonia - I used an ammonia remover during the process. Beth really help me out a lot through the whole process, couldn't have done it without her and a few other people here.
kiefers
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After doing a make over on my DT to try and get it back to my "Atlantis", I stopped for awhile to check in on the patients. As I thought they were playin in the current and swimming in and out of the shell in the tank and just doing what fish do. To my suprise the Firefish goby came out , finally, to join in on the fun. So I thought I would grab the camera and shoot some pics. Once again, everything in the tank is under hypo with salinity 1.007, Ph is 8.4, and parameters are good. Doing a 10% water change tomorrow when I get home from class at around 1:30 and will test again and post.
Until then here are some pics. Sorry for the cloudiness of the tank remodel.
Until then here are some pics. Sorry for the cloudiness of the tank remodel.
kiefers
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Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377628
Hey Kiefers, I went throught the hypo treatment for my fish, my CB had it the worse, unfortunately he didn't make it - he got a few other things after the hypo while still in the HT tank. All the other fish came out fine - 2 clowns, 2 chromis, 2 bangaii, 1 bicolored blenny. I am glad I went that route my display was fishless for more than 2 months and in that time I drilled the tank and upgraded with a sump/fuge. Good luck watch your pH and ammonia - I used an ammonia remover during the process. Beth really help me out a lot through the whole process, couldn't have done it without her and a few other people here.
Thanks Al. We just went through a Hypo with my wifes critters, Sail fin (lrg), Nigerian trigger, cleaner wrasse, flame angel, orchid dottyback, and two blue (meanies) damsels. We had Two tanks for that one. They all pulled through and 2 months later, are home in her 120 Gallon. Right after, and I mean within 4 days, my fish developed ick and they went.
I would love to have a drilled tank but don't have the means and I have tempered glass.
Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377628
Hey Kiefers, I went throught the hypo treatment for my fish, my CB had it the worse, unfortunately he didn't make it - he got a few other things after the hypo while still in the HT tank. All the other fish came out fine - 2 clowns, 2 chromis, 2 bangaii, 1 bicolored blenny. I am glad I went that route my display was fishless for more than 2 months and in that time I drilled the tank and upgraded with a sump/fuge. Good luck watch your pH and ammonia - I used an ammonia remover during the process. Beth really help me out a lot through the whole process, couldn't have done it without her and a few other people here.
Thanks Al. We just went through a Hypo with my wifes critters, Sail fin (lrg), Nigerian trigger, cleaner wrasse, flame angel, orchid dottyback, and two blue (meanies) damsels. We had Two tanks for that one. They all pulled through and 2 months later, are home in her 120 Gallon. Right after, and I mean within 4 days, my fish developed ick and they went.
I would love to have a drilled tank but don't have the means and I have tempered glass.
spanko
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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377622
Yes, the fish are out of the DT and in a hospital tank (QT). rom my readings from this forum and other sites copper is not reccommded for the corals (will kill the coral and inverts) ............
Would never suggest copper in the display. I was talking about copper treatment in the MICU.
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377622
Yes, the fish are out of the DT and in a hospital tank (QT). rom my readings from this forum and other sites copper is not reccommded for the corals (will kill the coral and inverts) ............
Would never suggest copper in the display. I was talking about copper treatment in the MICU.
kiefers
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yes... I got that after writing the statement above. Lol... I don't trust it. I would rather use a low amount of antibiotics if there were a secondary infection in question but never copper. I have just read more negative things about ick medication than good. I firmly believe that the hypo route takes more time in both curing time and maintinance. *wiping sweat off of forehead*
WWSD (What Would Spanko Do) Lol...
WWSD (What Would Spanko Do) Lol...
spanko
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kiefers
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Day 5...... Ph took a fall to 7.4 corrected very slowly over the later part of the evening and this morning. Ph now 8.2 and will continue to monitor. ammonia 050-1.0 and will do a 10-20% percent water change this eve. fish eating fine and although it's early in the a.m. they came out to eat after me turning the light on.
Pygmy angel hiding since last night, currently hiding and came out to eat a little then quicky returned. Lemonpeel is still sleeping......or hiding.
Does anyone know wether or not dwarf angels typically do well in hypo?
Pygmy angel hiding since last night, currently hiding and came out to eat a little then quicky returned. Lemonpeel is still sleeping......or hiding.
Does anyone know wether or not dwarf angels typically do well in hypo?
kiefers
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day 5 evening: Came home and did a small water change. Ph is still wanting to fall, I continue to supplement slowly. Right now it is 8.0. I read on a site some time ago to use baking soda (arm and hammer) and to put some on a cookie sheet and bake it foe several minutes and to use this slowly, it works fine and I continue to use what my wife made up some time ago. Using it slowly to avoid shocking the fish. Any thoughts?
Fish appeare fine, Had to rescue the Lemonpeel D/T it literally getting stuck in the conch shell. I coud see him deep inside within a hole at the end. The pygmy found his safe place and comes out to eat only. She looks clear of spots, on the other hand the poosum wrasse still shows signs of ick. the clown looks clear and is behaving 100 times better than last week. She is actually competing for food now.
Still feeding with garlic and supplementing with prime and stability. Ammonia is 0.5.
water is 1.007. Water temp is 79.9.
Fish appeare fine, Had to rescue the Lemonpeel D/T it literally getting stuck in the conch shell. I coud see him deep inside within a hole at the end. The pygmy found his safe place and comes out to eat only. She looks clear of spots, on the other hand the poosum wrasse still shows signs of ick. the clown looks clear and is behaving 100 times better than last week. She is actually competing for food now.
Still feeding with garlic and supplementing with prime and stability. Ammonia is 0.5.
water is 1.007. Water temp is 79.9.
kiefers
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okay, read this and understand where your coming from and it still spooks me. Mostly, I don't trust that I can safely do this on my fish and don't trust the products.
Thank you for looking that up for me tho. Would "you" use it if nedded to treat yours or would you do the hypo?
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377720
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa164
Thank you for looking that up for me tho. Would "you" use it if nedded to treat yours or would you do the hypo?
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3377720
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa164
kiefers
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3378115
How small of a w/c are you doing? Just wondering if you need to do a bit larger one cause of your ammonia reading
Good evening! 10-20% everyother day, just depends on the level. It's by far way better then I expected it to be. I am also adding Prime to detoxify the ammonia.
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3378115
How small of a w/c are you doing? Just wondering if you need to do a bit larger one cause of your ammonia reading
Good evening! 10-20% everyother day, just depends on the level. It's by far way better then I expected it to be. I am also adding Prime to detoxify the ammonia.
kiefers
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Day 6:
Hypo is going well, last night did a small w/c after feeding the critters. ALL fish look good today, swimming nicely with no signs of distress. Water is staying steady at 1.007 temp is 78.6 and ammonia is still at 0.5, although I'm using prime and stability to keep it nontoxic.
Pygmy comes put to check things out but quickly retuens to the barnicle for whatever reason. When they were all out, I did an inspection and did not see any spots, I'm sure it's still there just has to die off.
no behaviors or signs of sluggish laziness notited.
Hypo is going well, last night did a small w/c after feeding the critters. ALL fish look good today, swimming nicely with no signs of distress. Water is staying steady at 1.007 temp is 78.6 and ammonia is still at 0.5, although I'm using prime and stability to keep it nontoxic.
Pygmy comes put to check things out but quickly retuens to the barnicle for whatever reason. When they were all out, I did an inspection and did not see any spots, I'm sure it's still there just has to die off.
no behaviors or signs of sluggish laziness notited.
2quills
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Good luck Keifers, I hope this works out for ya.
I've tried the hypo method twice, first time didn't work out so good...it was a hypo and formaline combo (my fault), the second time I think it worked great (just hypo). Interesting read on that link that Spanko posted. It sugguested that different strains of ****** may be more tollerant to the salinity changes than others and there for not effective as well as some fish being more sensitive to the salinity changes than others. I've seen many threads here now where the fish never made it through hypo, I wonder if there's a link here. I hope to avoid a next time, but if there is a next time I think I will do copper. It sounds like it's the most effective way.
I've tried the hypo method twice, first time didn't work out so good...it was a hypo and formaline combo (my fault), the second time I think it worked great (just hypo). Interesting read on that link that Spanko posted. It sugguested that different strains of ****** may be more tollerant to the salinity changes than others and there for not effective as well as some fish being more sensitive to the salinity changes than others. I've seen many threads here now where the fish never made it through hypo, I wonder if there's a link here. I hope to avoid a next time, but if there is a next time I think I will do copper. It sounds like it's the most effective way.
kiefers
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Hi 2Quills- The thread spanko sent was indeed very informative, as is all he sends, very smart guy, sometimes one doesn't want to see that kind of news tho. Lol.... everytime he sends something I get to reading and sometimes take notes. Never know when you will need that information again.
my wife did hypo and I just watched her and read up on alot of ick. I help out of coarse and learned alot. But when I read what Spanko sent it really discouraged me. I never did hypo myself for one thing and to read the affect and if's and don'ts, it seemed very overwhelming and I did not want to hurt the fish anymore than what they were already. By then I had already had the salinity down.
Two, most of what I read was that it did the fish more damage than good, on the other hand it's the same for patients in the hospital, what works for one may not work for the other.
Sorry to hear about your first attempt, that sucks. I have to agree with you though, if there is a next time, copper it is.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3378359
Good luck Keifers, I hope this works out for ya.
I've tried the hypo method twice, first time didn't work out so good...it was a hypo and formaline combo (my fault), the second time I think it worked great (just hypo). Interesting read on that link that Spanko posted. It sugguested that different strains of ****** may be more tollerant to the salinity changes than others and there for not effective as well as some fish being more sensitive to the salinity changes than others. I've seen many threads here now where the fish never made it through hypo, I wonder if there's a link here. I hope to avoid a next time, but if there is a next time I think I will do copper. It sounds like it's the most effective way.
my wife did hypo and I just watched her and read up on alot of ick. I help out of coarse and learned alot. But when I read what Spanko sent it really discouraged me. I never did hypo myself for one thing and to read the affect and if's and don'ts, it seemed very overwhelming and I did not want to hurt the fish anymore than what they were already. By then I had already had the salinity down.
Two, most of what I read was that it did the fish more damage than good, on the other hand it's the same for patients in the hospital, what works for one may not work for the other.
Sorry to hear about your first attempt, that sucks. I have to agree with you though, if there is a next time, copper it is.
Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/20#post_3378359
Good luck Keifers, I hope this works out for ya.
I've tried the hypo method twice, first time didn't work out so good...it was a hypo and formaline combo (my fault), the second time I think it worked great (just hypo). Interesting read on that link that Spanko posted. It sugguested that different strains of ****** may be more tollerant to the salinity changes than others and there for not effective as well as some fish being more sensitive to the salinity changes than others. I've seen many threads here now where the fish never made it through hypo, I wonder if there's a link here. I hope to avoid a next time, but if there is a next time I think I will do copper. It sounds like it's the most effective way.
kiefers
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Day 7:
Good afternoon, did a W/C this morninng and check all parameters. Ph was 8.2 ammonia was still 0.5 (barely) and salinity hanging in there at 1.007.
Fish are acitive and the Firefish Goby comes out to eat and putters along. Angels are doing fine, I believe there bored out of there little skulls, and the possum wrasse is,..... well..... just bouncing along doing what he does. Fish appeare spot free and skin looks good. no eye cloudiness and fins are normal.
Checked the filter media and cleaned it out real good. (didn't have a replacement. Continueing with the Prime and stability to detoxify any ammonia.
I must note that i did the W/C 5 minutes after the critters ate. I figure any left over grub may just sit and fester so, I sucked it up during the change. May continue to do it that way and check ammonia tonite when I get home from work.
Good afternoon, did a W/C this morninng and check all parameters. Ph was 8.2 ammonia was still 0.5 (barely) and salinity hanging in there at 1.007.
Fish are acitive and the Firefish Goby comes out to eat and putters along. Angels are doing fine, I believe there bored out of there little skulls, and the possum wrasse is,..... well..... just bouncing along doing what he does. Fish appeare spot free and skin looks good. no eye cloudiness and fins are normal.
Checked the filter media and cleaned it out real good. (didn't have a replacement. Continueing with the Prime and stability to detoxify any ammonia.
I must note that i did the W/C 5 minutes after the critters ate. I figure any left over grub may just sit and fester so, I sucked it up during the change. May continue to do it that way and check ammonia tonite when I get home from work.