Ich (MICU journal)
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yannifish
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/100#post_3382182
I have never QT'd a thing.
Huh? I thought you were an advocate of quarantining.
Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/100#post_3382182
I have never QT'd a thing.
Huh? I thought you were an advocate of quarantining.
spanko
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Originally Posted by yannifish http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382531
Huh? I thought you were an advocate of quarantining.
I agree that quarantine is something that should be done if you are adverse to risk and want to add a layer of certainty to you additions. I doubt you will find any post by me that advocates quarantining. Twould be silly of me to tell folks to do something that I don't do myself now would it not?
There are many things I have done and continue to do that I would not advocate others doing, but I digress.
Originally Posted by yannifish http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382531
Huh? I thought you were an advocate of quarantining.
I agree that quarantine is something that should be done if you are adverse to risk and want to add a layer of certainty to you additions. I doubt you will find any post by me that advocates quarantining. Twould be silly of me to tell folks to do something that I don't do myself now would it not?
There are many things I have done and continue to do that I would not advocate others doing, but I digress.
kiefers
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I don't believe from my studies of the Spanko diaries of ever seeing anything on QT'g, however my wife and I believe that the inhabitants of your lil atlantis are healthy and not typically prone to ick..... when compred to the ich magnets of Tangs and some of the Angels. I believe the Tangs are the devils!! (hence me wanting to be a trigger!)
yannifish
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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382552
I don't believe from my studies of the Spanko diaries of ever seeing anything on QT'g, however my wife and I believe that the inhabitants of your lil atlantis are healthy and not typically prone to ick..... when compred to the ich magnets of Tangs and some of the Angels. I believe the Tangs are the devils!! (hence me wanting to be a trigger!)
But what I don't understand is when people say that having a tang (or angel) in your tank makes you more susceptible to having ich. From my understanding either there is ich in your tank or there isn't, regardless of what fish are kept in the tank. So while tangs and angels are more venerable to ich and will therefore will require less stress to become infected, whether a tank has ich or not is not at all dependent on whether there are tangs or angels in the tank. Is this correct?
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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382537
I agree that quarantine is something that should be done if you are adverse to risk and want to add a layer of certainty to you additions. I doubt you will find any post by me that advocates quarantining. Twould be silly of me to tell folks to do something that I don't do myself now would it not?
There are many things I have done and continue to do that I would not advocate others doing, but I digress.
My apologies. I must have been thinking of someone else.
So, since you do not quarantine, might I ask what you do for ich (and other disease) prevention (not trying to hijack the thread Kiefers, just curious)?
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382552
I don't believe from my studies of the Spanko diaries of ever seeing anything on QT'g, however my wife and I believe that the inhabitants of your lil atlantis are healthy and not typically prone to ick..... when compred to the ich magnets of Tangs and some of the Angels. I believe the Tangs are the devils!! (hence me wanting to be a trigger!)
But what I don't understand is when people say that having a tang (or angel) in your tank makes you more susceptible to having ich. From my understanding either there is ich in your tank or there isn't, regardless of what fish are kept in the tank. So while tangs and angels are more venerable to ich and will therefore will require less stress to become infected, whether a tank has ich or not is not at all dependent on whether there are tangs or angels in the tank. Is this correct?
Quote:
Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382537
I agree that quarantine is something that should be done if you are adverse to risk and want to add a layer of certainty to you additions. I doubt you will find any post by me that advocates quarantining. Twould be silly of me to tell folks to do something that I don't do myself now would it not?
There are many things I have done and continue to do that I would not advocate others doing, but I digress.
My apologies. I must have been thinking of someone else.
So, since you do not quarantine, might I ask what you do for ich (and other disease) prevention (not trying to hijack the thread Kiefers, just curious)?
kiefers
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Your having me swim in unfamiliar waters however, from what I understand is yes, any fish or tank is susceptiple to ****** nonetheless certain fish are more prone, wether it be their immune system or what not and on the flip side there are people that believe if your tank gets infected with ich you will always have it in there regardless if you leave it fishless or not. I believe that certain hardier fish are able to fight the parasite better than others, tangs and angels seem to be more delicate than most. I firmly believe that fish, unless treated with copper are NOT healed from ich, Just because one day they show obvious signs of the parasite and the other day they are clear? No...... they are now carriers of the parasite and are able to infect other or new fish added to the tank.
They other question on hand here is new corals, QT or not? Some say yes, some say not needed. Right now my 56 G is the new "CCU" (Coral Containment Unit) and they will sit in there for 5-6 weeks before adding in the fish that are in hypo.
Which brings me to this..... loosing my neon for whatever reason that is in hypo and lost my firefish goby tonight. The Neon Dottyback is in with the tangs the biocube but is hiding and showing no signs of wanting to eat. Checked the Ph yesterday and it was nearly 7.8 and I'm sure the Ammonia is through the roof. This is reallt starting to piss me off!! i don't buy fish just cuz there there, I get the fish that call out to me (sounds silly) but I chose one that come to me when I come to the glass. Most run and hide. So I get them because I FEEL they wanna come home with me. When they die I feel responsible for it. Enough said on this.
No....... you weren't highjacking my friend, see ya
They other question on hand here is new corals, QT or not? Some say yes, some say not needed. Right now my 56 G is the new "CCU" (Coral Containment Unit) and they will sit in there for 5-6 weeks before adding in the fish that are in hypo.
Which brings me to this..... loosing my neon for whatever reason that is in hypo and lost my firefish goby tonight. The Neon Dottyback is in with the tangs the biocube but is hiding and showing no signs of wanting to eat. Checked the Ph yesterday and it was nearly 7.8 and I'm sure the Ammonia is through the roof. This is reallt starting to piss me off!! i don't buy fish just cuz there there, I get the fish that call out to me (sounds silly) but I chose one that come to me when I come to the glass. Most run and hide. So I get them because I FEEL they wanna come home with me. When they die I feel responsible for it. Enough said on this.
No....... you weren't highjacking my friend, see ya
spanko
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by yannifish http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382656
But what I don't understand is when people say that having a tang (or angel) in your tank makes you more susceptible to having ich. From my understanding either there is ich in your tank or there isn't, regardless of what fish are kept in the tank. So while tangs and angels are more venerable to ich and will therefore will require less stress to become infected, whether a tank has ich or not is not at all dependent on whether there are tangs or angels in the tank. Is this correct? Not that having a tang or angel in your tank makes it more susceptible to ich as ich is introduced in various manners. The thing about those fish is that they are more susceptible to the parasite for some reason.
My apologies. I must have been thinking of someone else. No worries here.
So, since you do not quarantine, might I ask what you do for ich (and other disease) prevention (not trying to hack the thread Kiefers, just curious)? ***the sound of Spanko knocking on wood*** I have only had ich in my tank one time at the very beginning. One fish in the tank at the time that died of the parasite and then the tank was left fallow for 10 weeks before moving on with new additions.
Originally Posted by yannifish http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382656
But what I don't understand is when people say that having a tang (or angel) in your tank makes you more susceptible to having ich. From my understanding either there is ich in your tank or there isn't, regardless of what fish are kept in the tank. So while tangs and angels are more venerable to ich and will therefore will require less stress to become infected, whether a tank has ich or not is not at all dependent on whether there are tangs or angels in the tank. Is this correct? Not that having a tang or angel in your tank makes it more susceptible to ich as ich is introduced in various manners. The thing about those fish is that they are more susceptible to the parasite for some reason.
My apologies. I must have been thinking of someone else. No worries here.
So, since you do not quarantine, might I ask what you do for ich (and other disease) prevention (not trying to hack the thread Kiefers, just curious)? ***the sound of Spanko knocking on wood*** I have only had ich in my tank one time at the very beginning. One fish in the tank at the time that died of the parasite and then the tank was left fallow for 10 weeks before moving on with new additions.
yannifish
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382691
Your having me swim in unfamiliar waters however, from what I understand is yes, any fish or tank is susceptiple to ****** nonetheless certain fish are more prone, wether it be their immune system or what not and on the flip side there are people that believe if your tank gets infected with ich you will always have it in there regardless if you leave it fishless or not. I believe that certain hardier fish are able to fight the parasite better than others, tangs and angels seem to be more delicate than most. I firmly believe that fish, unless treated with copper are NOT healed from ich, Just because one day they show obvious signs of the parasite and the other day they are clear? No...... they are now carriers of the parasite and are able to infect other or new fish added to the tank.
They other question on hand here is new corals, QT or not? Some say yes, some say not needed. Right now my 56 G is the new "CCU" (Coral Containment Unit) and they will sit in there for 5-6 weeks before adding in the fish that are in hypo.
Which brings me to this..... loosing my neon for whatever reason that is in hypo and lost my firefish goby tonight. The Neon Dottyback is in with the tangs the biocube but is hiding and showing no signs of wanting to eat. Checked the Ph yesterday and it was nearly 7.8 and I'm sure the Ammonia is through the roof. This is reallt starting to piss me off!! i don't buy fish just cuz there there, I get the fish that call out to me (sounds silly) but I chose one that come to me when I come to the glass. Most run and hide. So I get them because I FEEL they wanna come home with me. When they die I feel responsible for it. Enough said on this.
No....... you weren't highjacking my friend, see ya
Sorry to hear about the goby.
Yeah, it's no fun when ammonia goes sky high and pH is out of whack during hypo. I just dealt with that, as you know.
Isn't it amazing how complicated this hobby gets? We all start off just wanting a pretty fish tank...
To Spanko:
So what do you do to prevent ich infestations?
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382691
Your having me swim in unfamiliar waters however, from what I understand is yes, any fish or tank is susceptiple to ****** nonetheless certain fish are more prone, wether it be their immune system or what not and on the flip side there are people that believe if your tank gets infected with ich you will always have it in there regardless if you leave it fishless or not. I believe that certain hardier fish are able to fight the parasite better than others, tangs and angels seem to be more delicate than most. I firmly believe that fish, unless treated with copper are NOT healed from ich, Just because one day they show obvious signs of the parasite and the other day they are clear? No...... they are now carriers of the parasite and are able to infect other or new fish added to the tank.
They other question on hand here is new corals, QT or not? Some say yes, some say not needed. Right now my 56 G is the new "CCU" (Coral Containment Unit) and they will sit in there for 5-6 weeks before adding in the fish that are in hypo.
Which brings me to this..... loosing my neon for whatever reason that is in hypo and lost my firefish goby tonight. The Neon Dottyback is in with the tangs the biocube but is hiding and showing no signs of wanting to eat. Checked the Ph yesterday and it was nearly 7.8 and I'm sure the Ammonia is through the roof. This is reallt starting to piss me off!! i don't buy fish just cuz there there, I get the fish that call out to me (sounds silly) but I chose one that come to me when I come to the glass. Most run and hide. So I get them because I FEEL they wanna come home with me. When they die I feel responsible for it. Enough said on this.
No....... you weren't highjacking my friend, see ya
Sorry to hear about the goby.
Yeah, it's no fun when ammonia goes sky high and pH is out of whack during hypo. I just dealt with that, as you know.
Isn't it amazing how complicated this hobby gets? We all start off just wanting a pretty fish tank...
To Spanko:
So what do you do to prevent ich infestations?
kiefers
Active Member
and thats how I look the this hobby. People post their findings and how to on this site, but each tank is slightly different. Parameters, fish, behaviors (in people and critters alike). What may not work for one system may be great for another. that can be due to a number of factors like location of the poster, Michigan or Texas, or even in your area.
But I do love this hobby and I like to learn things and study up on different topics of the systems. I have issues I guess.
But I do love this hobby and I like to learn things and study up on different topics of the systems. I have issues I guess.
kiefers
Active Member
BTW..... one of the things I enjoy........ This morning the house smelled like a fish store. I stuck my nose in my 56 and it smelled different from the other tanks, it smelled sweet. With my tank (the CCU) it either smells like nothing, or sweet. The vodka dosing is steady now at 3.0 ml. 1.5 in the a.m. and 1.5 at night. Some times I skip a dose due to feeding the tank. Trates are steady at 5.
That makes all of this work worth it.......
That makes all of this work worth it.......
2quills
Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382765
BTW..... one of the things I enjoy........ This morning the house smelled like a fish store. I stuck my nose in my 56 and it smelled different from the other tanks, it smelled sweet. With my tank (the CCU) it either smells like nothing, or sweet. The vodka dosing is steady now at 3.0 ml. 1.5 in the a.m. and 1.5 at night. Some times I skip a dose due to feeding the tank. Trates are steady at 5.
That makes all of this work worth it.......
Sweet...are you dosing with that fruity vodka again? Some cranberry stolichnaya, perhaps?
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382765
BTW..... one of the things I enjoy........ This morning the house smelled like a fish store. I stuck my nose in my 56 and it smelled different from the other tanks, it smelled sweet. With my tank (the CCU) it either smells like nothing, or sweet. The vodka dosing is steady now at 3.0 ml. 1.5 in the a.m. and 1.5 at night. Some times I skip a dose due to feeding the tank. Trates are steady at 5.
That makes all of this work worth it.......
Sweet...are you dosing with that fruity vodka again? Some cranberry stolichnaya, perhaps?
kiefers
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382815
Sweet...are you dosing with that fruity vodka again? Some cranberry stolichnaya, perhaps?
shhhhhhhh...... Man are you trying to get the police on me here or what? Granmarnay (sp)
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3382815
Sweet...are you dosing with that fruity vodka again? Some cranberry stolichnaya, perhaps?
shhhhhhhh...... Man are you trying to get the police on me here or what? Granmarnay (sp)
kiefers
Active Member
there is nothing like coming home from going out of town for 24 hours and finding that one of your fish dead, and had looked dead for some time, and your DT is overheating (83.2 degrees).
Well thats what we came home to. My Lemonpeel had went on to the big Ol' Blue in the sky and my DT's temp was 83 degrees and rising. I wonder if the house sitter had left the lights on all night and all day because it had NEVER done that before.
In the MICU, the 2 remaining fish are very sluggish and not eating. Noticed alot of food sitting on the bottom of the tank annd they were breathing very heavily. Did a W/C and through in an airstone to hopefully pick em up a little.
The clown, who still isn't eating is atleast swimming and the possum wrasse, well still isn't doing much of anything, the Neon Dottyback is soon to go, he hasn't eaten for days.
Someone please tell me why we put so much of ourselves into these tanks and when something goes wrong or we lose a critter, wether coral or swimming thing we feel as if we just lost our favorite dog or cat. Why do we do this to ourselves, invest so much time, money, and emotion to just have it keel over. Don't misconstrue me here, I'm not whinning just frustrated.
As my friend stated, "why not just use copper, it's quicker' and right about now, I'm starting to think safer to.
The CCU (Coral Containment Unit) Is finally cooled off and no bleaching seemed to have occured, right now the corals are all open waiting to be fed.
Maybe I'll just have a coral tank, no fish, since I'm already almost fishless........
Well thats what we came home to. My Lemonpeel had went on to the big Ol' Blue in the sky and my DT's temp was 83 degrees and rising. I wonder if the house sitter had left the lights on all night and all day because it had NEVER done that before.
In the MICU, the 2 remaining fish are very sluggish and not eating. Noticed alot of food sitting on the bottom of the tank annd they were breathing very heavily. Did a W/C and through in an airstone to hopefully pick em up a little.
The clown, who still isn't eating is atleast swimming and the possum wrasse, well still isn't doing much of anything, the Neon Dottyback is soon to go, he hasn't eaten for days.
Someone please tell me why we put so much of ourselves into these tanks and when something goes wrong or we lose a critter, wether coral or swimming thing we feel as if we just lost our favorite dog or cat. Why do we do this to ourselves, invest so much time, money, and emotion to just have it keel over. Don't misconstrue me here, I'm not whinning just frustrated.
As my friend stated, "why not just use copper, it's quicker' and right about now, I'm starting to think safer to.
The CCU (Coral Containment Unit) Is finally cooled off and no bleaching seemed to have occured, right now the corals are all open waiting to be fed.
Maybe I'll just have a coral tank, no fish, since I'm already almost fishless........
yannifish
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3384225
there is nothing like coming home from going out of town for 24 hours and finding that one of your fish dead, and had looked dead for some time, and your DT is overheating (83.2 degrees).
Well thats what we came home to. My Lemonpeel had went on to the big Ol' Blue in the sky and my DT's temp was 83 degrees and rising. I wonder if the house sitter had left the lights on all night and all day because it had NEVER done that before.
In the MICU, the 2 remaining fish are very sluggish and not eating. Noticed alot of food sitting on the bottom of the tank annd they were breathing very heavily. Did a W/C and through in an airstone to hopefully pick em up a little.
The clown, who still isn't eating is atleast swimming and the possum wrasse, well still isn't doing much of anything, the Neon Dottyback is soon to go, he hasn't eaten for days.
Someone please tell me why we put so much of ourselves into these tanks and when something goes wrong or we lose a critter, wether coral or swimming thing we feel as if we just lost our favorite dog or cat. Why do we do this to ourselves, invest so much time, money, and emotion to just have it keel over. Don't misconstrue me here, I'm not whinning just frustrated.
As my friend stated, "why not just use copper, it's quicker' and right about now, I'm starting to think safer to.
The CCU (Coral Containment Unit) Is finally cooled off and no bleaching seemed to have occured, right now the corals are all open waiting to be fed.
Maybe I'll just have a coral tank, no fish, since I'm already almost fishless........
Sorry to hear it buddy.
We all lose fish. And it frustrates all of us. I understand though, it is frustrating when we give the best care we are capable of and it still doesn't work.
And I'm starting to think copper is the way to go for sure.
Maybe it is time to get some timers for your lights.
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/120#post_3384225
there is nothing like coming home from going out of town for 24 hours and finding that one of your fish dead, and had looked dead for some time, and your DT is overheating (83.2 degrees).
Well thats what we came home to. My Lemonpeel had went on to the big Ol' Blue in the sky and my DT's temp was 83 degrees and rising. I wonder if the house sitter had left the lights on all night and all day because it had NEVER done that before.
In the MICU, the 2 remaining fish are very sluggish and not eating. Noticed alot of food sitting on the bottom of the tank annd they were breathing very heavily. Did a W/C and through in an airstone to hopefully pick em up a little.
The clown, who still isn't eating is atleast swimming and the possum wrasse, well still isn't doing much of anything, the Neon Dottyback is soon to go, he hasn't eaten for days.
Someone please tell me why we put so much of ourselves into these tanks and when something goes wrong or we lose a critter, wether coral or swimming thing we feel as if we just lost our favorite dog or cat. Why do we do this to ourselves, invest so much time, money, and emotion to just have it keel over. Don't misconstrue me here, I'm not whinning just frustrated.
As my friend stated, "why not just use copper, it's quicker' and right about now, I'm starting to think safer to.
The CCU (Coral Containment Unit) Is finally cooled off and no bleaching seemed to have occured, right now the corals are all open waiting to be fed.
Maybe I'll just have a coral tank, no fish, since I'm already almost fishless........
Sorry to hear it buddy.
We all lose fish. And it frustrates all of us. I understand though, it is frustrating when we give the best care we are capable of and it still doesn't work.
And I'm starting to think copper is the way to go for sure.
Maybe it is time to get some timers for your lights.
kiefers
Active Member
goodmorning *sipping on caffeine*
Yes i have timers for the lights but for some reason it wasn't set, since the time change. There is a good side to this mess though, I can let the DT stay empty for some time longer to ensure this koodie parasite truely DIES!!!!!!!
Thanks Yann and spanko. I will get the timer fixed today....
Yes i have timers for the lights but for some reason it wasn't set, since the time change. There is a good side to this mess though, I can let the DT stay empty for some time longer to ensure this koodie parasite truely DIES!!!!!!!
Thanks Yann and spanko. I will get the timer fixed today....