If I commit a crime, I'm doing it in California

[cranberry]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3291672
So following your argument the smoking bans in bars are wrong because nobody is making the employees work there or the patrons go there, it's completly voluntary......
Reef(Stirring the pot)Raff
Sorry Darth
I'm for supporting laws the protect people and our environment. The AC thing is unrealisitic, so find greener ways to run the trucks that come to the hotter parts of California. Don't be like old woman sitting on the front porch bitchin' on how things are.... act, change, be heard. Go on strike from California and see what happens. You don't get tears from me unless you try to change the situation you are complaining about.

 

[ironeagle2006]

Lets see here they are also moving to BAN the Refrigeration Units that HAUL the food that is Produced in California. Remember this is California were a 2 inch fish had more rights than Millions of People in the Imperial Valley and all the Taxes they paid. Yep that is right a Smelt that never came close to the Inlets to the Pumps but Someone wanted to Protect got a Judge in Sacremento to Limit the Water that flowed into the Imperial Valley that produced oh 80% of all the NUTS Oranges Olives Rasians and Grapes that this nation ate to 25% of what they were getting. Yet they never found one Smelt in the Strainers of the Pumps.
Cranberry CARB does not care they are also the ones that want to ban Black Cars in CA Big Screen TV's and also wants to force all trucks in and out of CA to spend 5-10K in so called Fuel Savers that might recover 2K of what they cost.
See back in 1999 I drove OTR and had a Truck that got 8MPG however under the CARB regs today I could not drive it there now. I would be forced to replace it with a truck if I am lucky with a tailwind might get 5-6 MPG on a great day. So how can a truck that burnsup to 40% more fuel be GREENER for the enviroment. Yes I produced .3 Grams more NOX and .2% more CO2 per gallon of fuel burned. HOWEVER I WAS GETTING AT LEAST 2 MILES FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. Lets do the math shall we these figures are based on 200 gallons which my truck in 1999 carried. On 200 gallons of Diesel I produced 80 Grams of NOX and about 40 Lbs of CO2 per 1500 Miles I went. Now with a 2010 Truck with all the Latest CARB and EPA mandates on it I would produce 60Grams of NOX and 35Lbs of CO2 Per 900 Miles since this truck is a Fuel Hog. So on a 1500 Mile run my older truck is GREENER than the newer POS that CARB and the EPA forced the Truckers to get to run LEGAL in Commiefornia. Cranberry what your forgetting is if the Truckers in this nation ever really got mad in less than a week they could bring this entire nation to their KNEES. No Gas No FOOD Nothing at the stores NOTHING at all.

 

[cranberry]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3291688
Cranberry what your forgetting is if the Truckers in this nation ever really got mad in less than a week they could bring this entire nation to their KNEES. No Gas No FOOD Nothing at the stores NOTHING at all.
No I'm not forgetting that... that's my point EXACTLY. Go on strike. CARB may not care, but they can't ignore zero trucks moving through California.

 

[stdreb27]

personally I"m all for rounding up all the liberals giving them California and them seceding.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3291682
I'm for supporting laws the protect people and our environment. The AC thing is unrealisitic, so find greener ways to run the trucks that come to the hotter parts of California. Don't be like old woman sitting on the front porch bitchin' on how things are.... act, change, be heard. Go on strike from California and see what happens. You don't get tears from me unless you try to change the situation you are complaining about.
So frequent or find work in bars that don't allow smoking. Or bars that have an air exchange system in place in enclosed smoking sections....No need to make a law banning something that you have a CHOICE to avoid.
Darth (love my nicotine) Tang
P.S. I find it strange you are ok with running the A/C if a dog is in the vehicle but not if a person is in it. You state you are for laws that protect people or the environment....In this case you are placing animals and the environment above people. Why can't the dog utilize the same cooling methods you are expecting people to adhere to.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3291690
No I'm not forgetting that... that's my point EXACTLY. Go on strike. CARB may not care, but they can't ignore zero trucks moving through California.
Sure, go on strike.....I am sure the liberals will succumb...and in the mean time....you can stress and worry about how your bills will get paid in an economy full of people willing to work that need a job. I am sure there are plenty of out of work CDL licensed people that will put up with the law just to feed their family...but go ahead...strike....that makes perfect sense.
Darth (some people don't get it) Tang

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3291714
So frequent or find work in bars that don't allow smoking. Or bars that have an air exchange system in place in enclosed smoking sections....No need to make a law banning something that you have a CHOICE to avoid.
Darth (love my nicotine) Tang
P.S. I find it strange you are ok with running the A/C if a dog is in the vehicle but not if a person is in it. You state you are for laws that protect people or the environment....In this case you are placing animals and the environment above people. Why can't the dog utilize the same cooling methods you are expecting people to adhere to.
You need to be here in San Antonio arguing your smoking point. Our City Council is about to pass an all-out ban on smoking in ALL establishments - bars, restaurants, and any public locations. They've already done this in all the other major cities in Texas (Austin, dallas, Houston), so we aren't far behind. The one's fighting the law are saying the 'myths' of second-hand smoke are not true, and it really doesn't affect you the way scientist say it does. I agree a business should have the decision as to whether they should allow smoking or not in their establishments. However, the smokers are still against banning smoking in public places (parks, Riverwalk, sports stadiums, any other public areas).

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3291724
You need to be here in San Antonio arguing your smoking point. Our City Council is about to pass an all-out ban on smoking in ALL establishments - bars, restaurants, and any public locations. They've already done this in all the other major cities in Texas (Austin, dallas, Houston), so we aren't far behind. The one's fighting the law are saying the 'myths' of second-hand smoke are not true, and it really doesn't affect you the way scientist say it does. I agree a business should have the decision as to whether they should allow smoking or not in their establishments. However, the smokers are still against banning smoking in public places (parks, Riverwalk, sports stadiums, any other public areas).
It is real weird to walk into a bar, (and this isn't a bar and grill) and it now be smokey...

 

[ironeagle2006]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3291716
Sure, go on strike.....I am sure the liberals will succumb...and in the mean time....you can stress and worry about how your bills will get paid in an economy full of people willing to work that need a job. I am sure there are plenty of out of work CDL licensed people that will put up with the law just to feed their family...but go ahead...strike....that makes perfect sense.
Darth (some people don't get it) Tang
Darth hate to tell you this but in Order to get a CDL anymore here are the Regulations for a Class A CDL. You must take a 160 Hour Class that is PITA Certified. Then have 100 Hours BTW training with a Class A Holding Driver in the truck with you. That and Pass a Medical Exam that is getting harder to pass yearly. You also must deal with Idiots in cars that think you have 18 wheels you can stop 54 times faster than my car can. Even though a Semi weighs 20 times more than a Suburban loaded. We also are restricted on how much we can drive and work get Zero Respect from the LEO commuinity and are basically seen as a rolling ATM by States. You know that in a Truck it is Illegal for a driver to Text yet in a car you can. Also if I do anything on my own time my company can fire me for it. This happened to a driver at a company not to far from here. He was home and had a couple Beers Now he had been home for 15 hours. Well his number came up for a Drug and Booze test. He failed and was FIRED. How many people do you know would be fired for drinking on their OWN TIME.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3291742
and Pass a Medical Exam that is getting harder to pass yearly.
That is honestly one of the things I don't disagree with. And there should be something for regular licenses too. If you can't physically operation a vehicle, you can't operate a vehicle.
As for the guy getting fired, I have no idea how he isn't sitting rich off a wrongful termination lawsuit. There are more then a couple cases that employers have fired employees after implimenting a no smoking policy and they failed the testing (smoked at home), and they all have won their suits.

 

[meowzer]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3291746
That is honestly one of the things I don't disagree with. And there should be something for regular licenses too. If you can't physically operation a vehicle, you can't operate a vehicle.

OMG this old woman came in the office this morning looking for the medical equip. place....she has lived here all her life, and the place was 1 block away, where it has been for many many years....the woman felt silly when I told her where it is, and said...
My problem is I can't see anymore.....

as she got out her car keys to drive away

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3291742
Darth hate to tell you this but in Order to get a CDL anymore here are the Regulations for a Class A CDL. You must take a 160 Hour Class that is PITA Certified. Then have 100 Hours BTW training with a Class A Holding Driver in the truck with you. That and Pass a Medical Exam that is getting harder to pass yearly. You also must deal with Idiots in cars that think you have 18 wheels you can stop 54 times faster than my car can. Even though a Semi weighs 20 times more than a Suburban loaded. We also are restricted on how much we can drive and work get Zero Respect from the LEO commuinity and are basically seen as a rolling ATM by States. You know that in a Truck it is Illegal for a driver to Text yet in a car you can. Also if I do anything on my own time my company can fire me for it. This happened to a driver at a company not to far from here. He was home and had a couple Beers Now he had been home for 15 hours. Well his number came up for a Drug and Booze test. He failed and was FIRED. How many people do you know would be fired for drinking on their OWN TIME.

I can agree with most of your argument. However, complaining about not being able to text in a Semi? I think that goes back to your previous statement as to how long it takes to stop said Semi when you need to do so in an emergency. Texting while driving has been shown to be worse than driving while drunk. Would you want to be around a guy who is drunk off his keester while he/she is behind the wheel of a Semi? As far as the guy being fired for drinking booze - exactly how much alcohol had this guy been drinking to where it would still register in his system 15 HOURS later? I have a sneaking suspicion this guy was fired for failing the 'drug' portion of the test instead of the 'booze' portion.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3291724
You need to be here in San Antonio arguing your smoking point. Our City Council is about to pass an all-out ban on smoking in ALL establishments - bars, restaurants, and any public locations. They've already done this in all the other major cities in Texas (Austin, dallas, Houston), so we aren't far behind. The one's fighting the law are saying the 'myths' of second-hand smoke are not true, and it really doesn't affect you the way scientist say it does. I agree a business should have the decision as to whether they should allow smoking or not in their establishments. However, the smokers are still against banning smoking in public places (parks, Riverwalk, sports stadiums, any other public areas).
I would, but I have my own bars and establishments here in Albuquerque that the city is putting their hands into...or was....ever since we got a more conservative mayor the all out ban has not come up...but the city council is as lefty loony as they come. Our old mayor made it a crime to smoke within 50 feet of any entrance to a building. I stood on the porch of my own building everyday burning one, just hoping a cop would stop..............

 

[ironeagle2006]

Simple it on the Wrongful Termination suit. It States as part of your CDL you Agree to be Drug and Alchohal tested at ANYTIME and ANYPLACE failure to comply results in and Automatic 6 month Suspension and requires a trip through Rehab AT your Cost and then a SAP program for your Employeer to think about rehiring you. We also have a BAC limit that is .02 versus >08 just for HAVING those 3 letters on our DL. You know that Cough Medicene will make a CDL holder Legally Drunk in the eyes of the DOT. We can not carry anything to help us with a cold on the truck. Yet we are expected to Freeze in alot of States. Yes there are things called APU's for trucks however most Fleets will not buy them since they cost 10-20K to purchase and weigh 800 LBS. We are only given 400Lbs as an Excemption by the DOT for the weight of them so we loose cargo space on the APU. Also Carb refuses to let trucks with APU's use them anyway so what is the Point of installing them if we can not use them. Here are the Current limits to hold a CDL medically BMI not over 23.9 unless you carry a CPAP machine. BP under 120/60 you can not be missing an eye arm or other appendage. Also you must not have siezures or Mental Issues. Eyesight correctted 20/40. Then this is the kicker here Must be able to lift 50 lbs over your head 10 times in under a minute. See there is a protion called Flatbedders that have Tarps that can weigh over 100 LBs. Igf htey are using them Normally they have the Forklift put the tarp on top of the load for you.

 

[meowzer]

I can see the missing eye or other body part (well not a testacle or a toe..lol) also I could see the seizures and/or mental illness parts
but some of that other stuff is weird.......Sounds like a sucky job...BUT like anything else ..someone has got to do it...so thanks...

 

[reefraff]

Here in Colorado they have a law that a casino that sells a certain level of tobacco products can allow smoking. Of the 107 I think the number of casinos here two meet the criteria and can allow smoking. 2 of 107. BUT the Libernazi smoke troopers are protesting that. Smokers have two casinos they can go to, non smokers 105 and these idiots protest and I think are filing a lawsuit if I remember right.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3291756
Simple it on the Wrongful Termination suit. It States as part of your CDL you Agree to be Drug and Alchohal tested at ANYTIME and ANYPLACE failure to comply results in and Automatic 6 month Suspension and requires a trip through Rehab AT your Cost and then a SAP program for your Employeer to think about rehiring you. We also have a BAC limit that is .02 versus >08 just for HAVING those 3 letters on our DL. You know that Cough Medicene will make a CDL holder Legally Drunk in the eyes of the DOT. We can not carry anything to help us with a cold on the truck. Yet we are expected to Freeze in alot of States. Yes there are things called APU's for trucks however most Fleets will not buy them since they cost 10-20K to purchase and weigh 800 LBS. We are only given 400Lbs as an Excemption by the DOT for the weight of them so we loose cargo space on the APU. Also Carb refuses to let trucks with APU's use them anyway so what is the Point of installing them if we can not use them. Here are the Current limits to hold a CDL medically BMI not over 23.9 unless you carry a CPAP machine. BP under 120/60 you can not be missing an eye arm or other appendage. Also you must not have siezures or Mental Issues. Eyesight correctted 20/40. Then this is the kicker here Must be able to lift 50 lbs over your head 10 times in under a minute. See there is a protion called Flatbedders that have Tarps that can weigh over 100 LBs. Igf htey are using them Normally they have the Forklift put the tarp on top of the load for you.

All these restrictions you're sighting lead back to one simple reason - you're responsible for, and are driving a vehicle that is four to five times the size, and weighs at least three times as much, as a conventional vehicle. If they were so easy to drive, then they wouldn't have a completely different category of license to operate them. I would put driving an 18-wheeler in the same category as flying a commercial plane.

 

[crypt keeper]

if you're dumb enough to not get out of the heat while your truck is loading or cold then you deserve to die. I drive a truck. i work in the heat and cold. They have generators and that can power a heater or a ac unit. Lets be smart about this. Stop crying about something you dont do.
Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3291615
Yes, and tens of thousands died each year from heat exhaustion and hypothermia. Let's bring back the good ol' days in the name of a polar bear. So how many human deaths are worth it?

 

[crypt keeper]

maybe you should had went to college and then maybe you could get a different job. stop bitching. its the job you chose. You think anybody has it perfect? Sure you deal with some shitty situations. As does everybody else. Crabbers work for 48 hours straight in freezing cold no sleep and hardly 3 meals a day. see them bitching? Nope. Oh they have alchol free cough medicine. stop bitching about that as well. I know a few guys who carry around a 60 pound generator and light that baby up with heat or ac. very simple fixes.
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3291756
Simple it on the Wrongful Termination suit. It States as part of your CDL you Agree to be Drug and Alchohal tested at ANYTIME and ANYPLACE failure to comply results in and Automatic 6 month Suspension and requires a trip through Rehab AT your Cost and then a SAP program for your Employeer to think about rehiring you. We also have a BAC limit that is .02 versus >08 just for HAVING those 3 letters on our DL. You know that Cough Medicene will make a CDL holder Legally Drunk in the eyes of the DOT. We can not carry anything to help us with a cold on the truck. Yet we are expected to Freeze in alot of States. Yes there are things called APU's for trucks however most Fleets will not buy them since they cost 10-20K to purchase and weigh 800 LBS. We are only given 400Lbs as an Excemption by the DOT for the weight of them so we loose cargo space on the APU. Also Carb refuses to let trucks with APU's use them anyway so what is the Point of installing them if we can not use them. Here are the Current limits to hold a CDL medically BMI not over 23.9 unless you carry a CPAP machine. BP under 120/60 you can not be missing an eye arm or other appendage. Also you must not have siezures or Mental Issues. Eyesight correctted 20/40. Then this is the kicker here Must be able to lift 50 lbs over your head 10 times in under a minute. See there is a protion called Flatbedders that have Tarps that can weigh over 100 LBs. Igf htey are using them Normally they have the Forklift put the tarp on top of the load for you.

 

[cranberry]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3291716
Sure, go on strike.....I am sure the liberals will succumb...and in the mean time....you can stress and worry about how your bills will get paid in an economy full of people willing to work that need a job. I am sure there are plenty of out of work CDL licensed people that will put up with the law just to feed their family...but go ahead...strike....that makes perfect sense.
Sometimes ya gotta fight for the things you believe in/need. And striking for safer worker conditions is a very valid way to be heard... especially when you hold a very important card in your hand. I'm a nurse from Canada. You don't think I don't know what striking means? The sacrifices one has to make? We've done it in bitter cold Canadian snow and took on the government. If you don't want to fight for these things, I don't know what to tell ya.
I said I'm for laws that keep people safe, then I suggested strike and extra California filtration on your truck. I'm for finding a solution. I don't want people to die in their trucks, but it's up to you DO something to fix the conditions you are in.
I missed where you said generators CK... would that solve the problem? Solar panels AC... there's enough sun in Calif to charge that up!!
And umm.... I'm a NICU nurse, but my job description states I must be able to lift 40lbs. If you're a man who can't lift 50lbs.... O.O