If not Obama, then WHO?
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darthtang aw
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darthtang aw
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There's really is only 2 now, Obama and Romney. I am unimpressed with both.
I think the only honest one in the whole crowd was Ron Paul, but he is the so-called nut job.
Now its real funny when you have conservative talk hosts preferring a Clinton to Obama. Hillary probably would have been the better choice in 2008 even over McCain.
Bottom line a lot is put on the position of presidency by Americans when it is really Congress that votes in laws (or taxes), such as Obamacare, and wars, such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans need to start focusing on who their reps are in Congress. These people spend our money and decide our future, yet they can't be bothered to read the laws they pass.
The current state of congress for the past 25 years could not over turn a veto....so the presidency does hold atleast half the blame. They could veto stupidity that is unread.
I think the only honest one in the whole crowd was Ron Paul, but he is the so-called nut job.
Now its real funny when you have conservative talk hosts preferring a Clinton to Obama. Hillary probably would have been the better choice in 2008 even over McCain.
Bottom line a lot is put on the position of presidency by Americans when it is really Congress that votes in laws (or taxes), such as Obamacare, and wars, such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans need to start focusing on who their reps are in Congress. These people spend our money and decide our future, yet they can't be bothered to read the laws they pass.
The current state of congress for the past 25 years could not over turn a veto....so the presidency does hold atleast half the blame. They could veto stupidity that is unread.
snakeblitz33
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I feel like it's a situation where it's dam if you do, dam if you don't. lol - no win situation. I think I will also be voting for Ron Paul. That way I can B**** , I mean complain about whoever gets in office. LOL
reefraff
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We can't afford another 4 years of this crap. Romney will at least turn us in a different direction. Ron Paul is nutz. Garry Johnson? Maybe but he doesn't have a chance so a vote for him is a vote for 0bama. I'd like to see a strong 3rd party ticket come up but that isn't going to happen this time. 0bama doesn't deserve another term. Perhaps if we start throwing the bums out after the first term they will start doing their job right.
travelerjp98
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who#post_3483225
Sorry, All! I just find this whole thing to be a little bit freaky.
hahahhahah lol that's awesome!
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who#post_3483225
Sorry, All! I just find this whole thing to be a little bit freaky.
hahahhahah lol that's awesome!
reefraff
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Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who#post_3483253
jp it is funny but scares the crap outta me. Obama has revived racism and Romney will bring more bias to religion.
reefraff what is it that makes you call Paul nutz?
Foreign policy, Fiscal Policy, The man has slipped into an alternate reality.
Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who#post_3483253
jp it is funny but scares the crap outta me. Obama has revived racism and Romney will bring more bias to religion.
reefraff what is it that makes you call Paul nutz?
Foreign policy, Fiscal Policy, The man has slipped into an alternate reality.
darthtang aw
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One of the few things I was actually proud of our current president for, was the order to go in after OBL. Ron Paul would not have done that.
In May 2011, Paul said he would not have ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, calling the operation "absolutely not necessary". Instead he would have done it differently, stating that America should have worked with the Pakistani Authorities who in the past had arrested Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other terrorists who were then tried in court. Paul also stated that other alternatives were viable that were less of a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty
In May 2011, Paul said he would not have ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, calling the operation "absolutely not necessary". Instead he would have done it differently, stating that America should have worked with the Pakistani Authorities who in the past had arrested Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other terrorists who were then tried in court. Paul also stated that other alternatives were viable that were less of a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty
sweat90lx
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Paul has a different view on foreign policy for sure, but his view is is to mind our own business. Let other countries deal with their own problems.
We are not still in Iraq and Afghanistan looking for terrorists. We are there because of oil, or more specifically to protect the petroldollar.
We are not still in Iraq and Afghanistan looking for terrorists. We are there because of oil, or more specifically to protect the petroldollar.
I agree that some of Paul's foreign policy views are scary, but I'm not sure if it is scary because they are so radically different then the direction we have been going since WWII or is it because we as Americans have been so indoctrinated into thinking that the USA must police the entire world and we can't shake that mindset. He is the only one who is not a sellout to the political machine. Which is why he didn't have a chance.
Yeah, I will give Obama credit for getting rid of OBL. However, I wanted to see some bloody pics posted for all the world to see. Perhaps a shot of him being thrown overboard as chum while the sharks circled. Quite a few baddies have kissed the dust since he has take office as a matter of fact.
Yeah, I will give Obama credit for getting rid of OBL. However, I wanted to see some bloody pics posted for all the world to see. Perhaps a shot of him being thrown overboard as chum while the sharks circled. Quite a few baddies have kissed the dust since he has take office as a matter of fact.
ironeagle2006
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Lets see here Paul wants to Get out of the UN OUT OF NATO SEATO remove us from ANY Treaties that have a Defense Requirement. He wants to Close the Fed reimpose the Gold Standard so say GOOD BYE to a Stable MONEY SUPPLY. He also wants to gut the Defense Dept think about where we where in the late 30's BEFORE Pearl Harbor.
He claims that he is the only one that has never voted for any earmarks in his time in Congress Yet his District RECIVES more than anyplace else why he Requests them and then VOTES AGINST THEM when the Bill comes up for the Final Vote. He claims he hates SS but has been taking his SS since he turned 65 he is the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE and people want him to be President Romney has Flopped LESS than Paul in the last 10 Years on the Issues.
He claims that he is the only one that has never voted for any earmarks in his time in Congress Yet his District RECIVES more than anyplace else why he Requests them and then VOTES AGINST THEM when the Bill comes up for the Final Vote. He claims he hates SS but has been taking his SS since he turned 65 he is the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE and people want him to be President Romney has Flopped LESS than Paul in the last 10 Years on the Issues.
mantisman51
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1) Obama and the democrats said that Bush ran up the national debt and deficit. Obama has more than doubled the deficit and tripled national debt in 1/4 time Bush did it-AND HE WANTS TO SPEND EVEN MORE. 2) Obama will sign the UN small arms treaty which forces any country that signs it to register all firearms and force any gun sales to go through the government first-backdoor gun control. Another of his "under the radar" gun control he told Handgun Inc and The Brady Campaign he was working on. 3) Once the Fed quits printing money faster than Charmin makes toilet paper (to hide the true depth of The Messiah's spending and deficit), we are going to have inflation that will make our money almost worthless. 4) He sued Arizona for passing a law that mirrored Federal law because the cartels are out of control here, yet when California and New York pass sanctuary laws in direct conflict with Federal law and that completely usurp Federal law by shielding even criminal aliens from deportation, he does nothing. Funny, that. I thought it was about Federal supremacy in immigration? Now if you think that's really just about policy-2 hours after the SC decision he ordered ICE and Border Patrol NOT TO COOPERATE WITH ARIZONA to deport known illegals. And now on Monday they announced that they were moving half the ICE and BP staff to other "higher priority" states. Arizona is the #1 port of entry for illegals and drugs from Mexico, yet he is lowering the number of agents after the SC said it was solely the Feds responsibility to enforce the law. We have to depend on the Feds to enforce immigration and he is pulling out half the resources. 5) He and Eric Holder have sued states who want to end voting fraud. The Justice department released a report that, in Florida alone, there was about 186,000 illegal votes by felons and illegal and legal aliens last election. So Florida started a voter verification program(not a voter purge like the democrat bought and paid for media calls it) to ensure aliens and felons weren't being allowed to vote-The Messiah and Holder want those votes and sued Florida to stop them from verifying who was actually voting. 6) Obama poured billions into "alternative energy" companies and every penny has been pissed away into his big donor's bank accounts-Solyndra was just the tip of the iceberg-think in the order of $20 billion to GE.
Now, Snakeblitz, how about whoever else IS NOT Obama?
Now, Snakeblitz, how about whoever else IS NOT Obama?
mantisman51
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Oh yeah, the Federal Appeals Court sided with Florida and ordered Eric Holder and Obama to open up immigration records that they had hid from Florida to protect the "voting rights" of aliens who are not allowed to vote.