If not Obama, then WHO?

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who#post_3483438
1) Obama and the democrats said that Bush ran up the national debt and deficit. Obama has more than doubled the deficit and tripled national debt in 1/4 time Bush did it-AND HE WANTS TO SPEND EVEN MORE. 2) Obama will sign the UN small arms treaty which forces any country that signs it to register all firearms and force any gun sales to go through the government first-backdoor gun control. Another of his "under the radar" gun control he told Handgun Inc and The Brady Campaign he was working on. 3) Once the Fed quits printing money faster than Charmin makes toilet paper (to hide the true depth of The Messiah's spending and deficit), we are going to have inflation that will make our money almost worthless. 4) He sued Arizona for passing a law that mirrored Federal law because the cartels are out of control here, yet when California and New York pass sanctuary laws in direct conflict with Federal law and that completely usurp Federal law by shielding even criminal aliens from deportation, he does nothing. Funny, that. I thought it was about Federal supremacy in immigration? Now if you think that's really just about policy-2 hours after the SC decision he ordered ICE and Border Patrol NOT TO COOPERATE WITH ARIZONA to deport known illegals. And now on Monday they announced that they were moving half the ICE and BP staff to other "higher priority" states. Arizona is the #1 port of entry for illegals and drugs from Mexico, yet he is lowering the number of agents after the SC said it was solely the Feds responsibility to enforce the law. We have to depend on the Feds to enforce immigration and he is pulling out half the resources. 5) He and Eric Holder have sued states who want to end voting fraud. The Justice department released a report that, in Florida alone, there was about 186,000 illegal votes by felons and illegal and legal aliens last election. So Florida started a voter verification program(not a voter purge like the democrat bought and paid for media calls it) to ensure aliens and felons weren't being allowed to vote-The Messiah and Holder want those votes and sued Florida to stop them from verifying who was actually voting. 6) Obama poured billions into "alternative energy" companies and every penny has been pissed away into his big donor's bank accounts-Solyndra was just the tip of the iceberg-think in the order of $20 billion to GE.
Now, Snakeblitz, how about whoever else IS NOT Obama?
Another Fox New Kool-Aide drinker. Bush started right at $5 trillion in 2000, and ended up right at $10 billion in 2008. The Iraq and Afghan Wars weren't put on the books until the 2009 budget that Obama inherited. He hasn't doubled anything yet. Supposition and conjecture.
Here goes Mr. Gun Control Conspirator again. Obama has enacted MORE legislation to loosen gun control than he's passed to restrict it. He opened it up to allow guns to be carried into national parks. He's done NOTHING with the Brady Act, and this UN conspiracy is just that. Why don't you go talk to the families of those 12 dead people, and the 50 or so other injured patrons that just wanted to go watch a movie, when some kid walks in with tear gas, a semi-auto rifle, knife, and pistol with a bullet-proof vest on. Then casually sits out in the parking lot waiting for the cops to arrive. Guns don't kill, just the loons who are able to purchase them at will.
Arizona wants to go racial profiling and picking up illegals at will? Courts gave them every right to do so. Just don't ask me to spend my taxes to do it. Arizona can easily create their own ICE agency at the expense of Arizona taxpayers. They can purchase buses to transport them back to the border just as easily as Federal ICE agents can. Isn't that how Constitutionalist look at things? States rights trump federal right.
Alternative energy is inevitable. Fossil fuels are not an unlimited resource as you presume they are. For every Solyndra, there are hundreds of successful ciompanies developing energy efficient resources that you don't hear about. You're too busy sticking $4 gas in your 10MPG monster truck to give alternative fuels a chance.
Voter ID and voter purging is just a ploy buy the Republicans to gain control of swing states. There's be only 311 documented cases of voter fraud in this country since they started investigating this supposed rampant abuse years ago. If this has always been an issue, why are they all of a sudden looking at it now? Why not 5 years ago, or 10? The main goal of the Republican PArty is to make Obama a one-term President. Forget the economy, forget jobs, let's concentrate on getting the Evil Socialist out of office so we can go back to status quo when Dubya sent this country down the toilet.
 

reefraff

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Speaking of Kool Aide drinkers
The total national debt on January 19th 2009 was 10.6 trillion. That included all obligations including the wars. But nice try LOL!!! Expenditures either on or off budget are still figured into the total national debt, Always have been.
And speaking of dumb comments why do you insist on repeating the lie that the Arizona law is racial profiling when the law specifically forbids it? Nice to know folks on my side can argue their views based on facts rather than lies.
 

mantisman51

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So the Supreme Court legalized discrimination did they? Also, the SC specifically prohibited any state from enforcing immigration law, other than to check the status if there is reasonable suspicion. So you don't want the Federal government to do their job and deport illegals, huh? There is the definitive proof, as I have said all along, that you want illegals here and IMO that you, like Obama and Holder want those votes more than to follow the rule of law. I'm glad you finally quit hiding behind the veil of "compassion and fairness". BTW, 60% of Arizona law enforcement and Border Patrol are non-white. You think Hispanics and blacks are so stupid they'll go along with evil whities to discriminate? Again, proof that you are a soft racist. Hispanics aren't really adults or people, they are child victims and need liberals like you to protect them. And any non-whites who are in law enforcement are mindless puppets who will do whatever the evil whities tell them to. And further that all white cops in Arizona are practically Klansmen who can't wait to hassle "brown people". You are such a bigot and your transparent racism is despicable. You are an evil person-and I say that about very few people because I know people can disagree, but you are so vile and hate-filled you're back on the block list.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483451
So the Supreme Court legalized discrimination did they? Also, the SC specifically prohibited any state from enforcing immigration law, other than to check the status if there is reasonable suspicion. So you don't want the Federal government to do their job and deport illegals, huh? There is the definitive proof, as I have said all along, that you want illegals here and IMO that you, like Obama and Holder want those votes more than to follow the rule of law. I'm glad you finally quit hiding behind the veil of "compassion and fairness". BTW, 60% of Arizona law enforcement and Border Patrol are non-white. You think Hispanics and blacks are so stupid they'll go along with evil whities to discriminate? Again, proof that you are a soft racist. Hispanics aren't really adults or people, they are child victims and need liberals like you to protect them. And any non-whites who are in law enforcement are mindless puppets who will do whatever the evil whities tell them to. And further that all white cops in Arizona are practically Klansmen who can't wait to hassle "brown people". You are such a bigot and your transparent racism is despicable. You are an evil person-and I say that about very few people because I know people can disagree, but you are so vile and hate-filled you're back on the block list.
So how many illegal Germans, French, Canadians, Irish, Indian, or Pakistani's do you think the Arizona cops go looking for? Define "reasonable suspicion". A bunch of Mexicans walking down the street, speaking Spanish, and dressed like bums. Enough "reasonable suspicion" to stop them and ask for ID's? What if they didn't have an ID on them? "Reasonable suspicion" to take them in? Now a bunch of white people, walking down the street, speaking fluent German, and dressed casually. "Reasonable suspicion" they could be illegals? What if they didn't have ID's on them? You think they're going to take them in for questiuoning? Show proof that illegals are voting for Democrats, or any other politician. You can't.
 

reefraff

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Interesting how Utah created their own guest worker program. The Feds didn't sue them. Color me shocked.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483456
So how many illegal Germans, French, Canadians, Irish, Indian, or Pakistani's do you think the Arizona cops go looking for? Define "reasonable suspicion". A bunch of Mexicans walking down the street, speaking Spanish, and dressed like bums. Enough "reasonable suspicion" to stop them and ask for ID's? What if they didn't have an ID on them? "Reasonable suspicion" to take them in? Now a bunch of white people, walking down the street, speaking fluent German, and dressed casually. "Reasonable suspicion" they could be illegals? What if they didn't have ID's on them? You think they're going to take them in for questiuoning? Show proof that illegals are voting for Democrats, or any other politician. You can't.
Maybe if you read the actual provision of the law rather than what MSNBC tells you to think about it your obvious confusion about what is and isn't allowed would be cleared up.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483459
Maybe if you read the actual provision of the law rather than what MSNBC tells you to think about it your obvious confusion about what is and isn't allowed would be cleared up.
Please. "The law states we can't racial profile. We can only ask for proper identification when we have probable cause an individual is committing an unlawful act, blah, blah, blah." So here in Texas, if I get pulled over by a cop for a possible moving violation, and my car is filled with individuals who are both Hispanic and White, the only ID the officer requests is mine. He doesn't ask to see any ID's of my passengers, since they weren't the one's committing the offense. I take the same group of people into Arizona, get pulled over, the cop now has authority to ask for ID's of any of my passengers. What if my Hispanic friends didn't speak English, and for whatever reason forgot their ID at home before we left? You think the Arizona cop has to take my word that they're legal? What if one of my White passenger speaks only fluent German, and didn't have his ID? Is the Arizona cop going to question his legal status?
 

mantisman51

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Even more interesting is how New York, Illinois and California passed laws that contradict and usurp Federal immigration law, going so far as to shield even criminal aliens from deportation and refuse to cooperate with ICE and BP, yet Obama couldn't find the legal ground to sue them for their "patchwork immigration law" that is completely in violation of Federal law.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483461
Please. "The law states we can't racial profile. We can only ask for proper identification when we have probable cause an individual is committing an unlawful act, blah, blah, blah." So here in Texas, if I get pulled over by a cop for a possible moving violation, and my car is filled with individuals who are both Hispanic and White, the only ID the officer requests is mine. He doesn't ask to see any ID's of my passengers, since they weren't the one's committing the offense. I take the same group of people into Arizona, get pulled over, the cop now has authority to ask for ID's of any of my passengers. What if my Hispanic friends didn't speak English, and for whatever reason forgot their ID at home before we left? You think the Arizona cop has to take my word that they're legal? What if one of my White passenger speaks only fluent German, and didn't have his ID? Is the Arizona cop going to question his legal status?
You are a bigot. You assume that Az cops are out to get Mexicans or something. My buddy is a Maricopa Sheriff deputy. His wife's maiden name is Martinez. Such a racist.
First off the cop has to have a reason to contact the person. Then they must have a reason to ask about status and that can't be based on race. The Feds don't even have that requirement. If it is standard protocol to identify all occupants of a car pulled over which is the case in many jurisdictions then yeah, they can ask for ID from everyone in the car. If you forgot your ID but can provide a name and address the cop can cross check you are good to go.
 

mantisman51

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The very first deportation under 1070 was a white Australian who had over-stayed his VISA by 20 years and was in possession of 3 firearms. Kinda funny how the Maricopa County Sheriffs who made the arrest couldn't find some "brown people" to hassle. Seems to me, if bio is right, they should have been too busy hassling some "brown people" to shake down. Since some people are too retarded to understand this, I'll write slowly:
1) Contact can only be made if there is some infraction or crime committed-speeding, stealing, registration expired-anything that gets anybody pulled over or a visit from Johnny Law. The Australian was driving with expired tags.
2) Reasonable suspicion of being an illegal alien is when there is no ID, giving a false name, inability to speak English, false documents, etc-THE EXACT SAME STANDARD AS THOSE EVIL, RACIST, DISCRIMINATING ICE AND BP AGENTS! The Australian had no current ID and gave a false name-the same standard as those poor old, victimized "brown people". And funny enough, the same standard I am held to when approached by police. Yup, there's a lot of discrimination so far.
3) Contact by law enforcement can only be made if there has been an offense committed and if any officer shows a pattern of targeting minorities they can be sued by the harassed citizen.
4) Since Arizona 1070 never approved state deportation and the SC further ruled we couldn't anyway, we can't round up "brown people" and throw them out anyway. The law only provided for turning proven illegals over to ICE/BP. Just as the Australian will be when he gets out of prison for being an illegal in possession of a firearm. Still can't figure out how a white Australian got caught by these racist, discriminating Arizona cops. I mean, Arizona is 38% Hispanic. So many "brown people" (right Bigot Bionic) and so little time. Why did they waste their time on a white guy when there's so many "brown people"(right Bigot Bionic).
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483466
You are a bigot. You assume that Az cops are out to get Mexicans or something. My buddy is a Maricopa Sheriff deputy. His wife's maiden name is Martinez. Such a racist.
First off the cop has to have a reason to contact the person. Then they must have a reason to ask about status and that can't be based on race. The Feds don't even have that requirement. If it is standard protocol to identify all occupants of a car pulled over which is the case in many jurisdictions then yeah, they can ask for ID from everyone in the car. If you forgot your ID but can provide a name and address the cop can cross check you are good to go.
Me a bigot?

I'm the one whose against the law! How exactly am I a bigot or racist? If the Arizona cops aren't after the "Mexicans", then why are they so adamant to have this law in place? Your buddy mantis is the one who stated that Arizona has the largest per capita illegal MEXICANS living and coming through there. Who else would they be targeting? Is there some massive influx of Germans, Indians, Pakistanis, or Canadians that have infiltrated Arizona lately?
You are blinded by ignorance if you don't know the agenda in Arizona. They're tired of all the illegal MEXICANS infiltrating their state, and they want them gone. San Antonio is 57% Hispanic. The majority of my friends are Hispanic. Neither them or myself have to tell a cop a single thing about ourselves if we are passengers in a vehicle, and the cop can't ask for any information unless he has viable probable cause to do so. So just having a valid name and address is all you need to get past the Arizona Immigration Background Check? Guess it won't take long for the illegals to figure that one out. Wonder how many times the cops will hear that there a Jorge Martinez that lives on 1254 Pimilico in Tuscon, AZ. So does this name and address have to be an Arizona address? What if the guy is from New York, Florida, or Alabama? You're telling me a Arizona cop has access to a nationwide database that lists every single person and the address they live at? What if you're in the process of moving? What if the "address on file" is outdated?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483467
The very first deportation under 1070 was a white Australian who had over-stayed his VISA by 20 years and was in possession of 3 firearms. Kinda funny how the Maricopa County Sheriffs who made the arrest couldn't find some "brown people" to hassle. Seems to me, if bio is right, they should have been too busy hassling some "brown people" to shake down. Since some people are too retarded to understand this, I'll write slowly:
1) Contact can only be made if there is some infraction or crime committed-speeding, stealing, registration expired-anything that gets anybody pulled over or a visit from Johnny Law. The Australian was driving with expired tags.
2) Reasonable suspicion of being an illegal alien is when there is no ID, giving a false name, inability to speak English, false documents, etc-THE EXACT SAME STANDARD AS THOSE EVIL, RACIST, DISCRIMINATING ICE AND BP AGENTS! The Australian had no current ID and gave a false name-the same standard as those poor old, victimized "brown people". And funny enough, the same standard I am held to when approached by police. Yup, there's a lot of discrimination so far.
3) Contact by law enforcement can only be made if there has been an offense committed and if any officer shows a pattern of targeting minorities they can be sued by the harassed citizen.
4) Since Arizona 1070 never approved state deportation and the SC further ruled we couldn't anyway, we can't round up "brown people" and throw them out anyway. The law only provided for turning proven illegals over to ICE/BP. Just as the Australian will be when he gets out of prison for being an illegal in possession of a firearm. Still can't figure out how a white Australian got caught by these racist, discriminating Arizona cops. I mean, Arizona is 38% Hispanic. So many "brown people" (right Bigot Bionic) and so little time. Why did they waste their time on a white guy when there's so many "brown people"(right Bigot Bionic).
Look in the mirror Archie Bunker. What language was the Australian speaking? I like one of the provisions - "inability to speak English". As of right now, we don't live in an "English-only, and ONLY English" country. Love how you came up with the token "white person" to use as an example of your FINE new law. I'm sure Australians will stay away from Arizona in droves now. And he was sent to prison for have GUNS? OMG! Arizona prosecuting someone for carrying a GUN!!! I thought six shooters were standard issue when you crossed the border. And you call yourself a 2nd Amendment advocate.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483492
Look in the mirror Archie Bunker. What language was the Australian speaking? I like one of the provisions - "inability to speak English". As of right now, we don't live in an "English-only, and ONLY English" country. Love how you came up with the token "white person" to use as an example of your FINE new law. I'm sure Australians will stay away from Arizona in droves now. And he was sent to prison for have GUNS? OMG! Arizona prosecuting someone for carrying a GUN!!! I thought six shooters were standard issue when you crossed the border. And you call yourself a 2nd Amendment advocate.
There is no provision that one must speak English. Inability to speak English simply raises a flag. If the person can't speak a word of English but can provide their green card, AS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW, ends all suspicion. This whole episode blows up your bigotry of Arizona in your face. White English speaking Australian is the first illegal picked up and the reason he was is for illegal possession of a gun. Is this a great country or what!!!
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483511
There is no provision that one must speak English. Inability to speak English simply raises a flag. If the person can't speak a word of English but can provide their green card, AS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW, ends all suspicion. This whole episode blows up your bigotry of Arizona in your face. White English speaking Australian is the first illegal picked up and the reason he was is for illegal possession of a gun. Is this a great country or what!!!
Bigotry of a state? That's a new one. So if you can't speak English, then it's automatically presumed you carry a green card? Didn't known US citizens who are Hispanic are required to have a green card. Talk about bigotry...
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392346/if-not-obama-then-who/20#post_3483517
Bigotry of a state? That's a new one. So if you can't speak English, then it's automatically presumed you carry a green card? Didn't known US citizens who are Hispanic are required to have a green card. Talk about bigotry...
Who said anything about Hispanic? You are the one all hung up on race. If a person can't speak English you have one of four possibilities (assuming they are an adult)
1) Illegal alien
2) Legal migrant worker who under federal law is required to have their "papers" at all times
3) Someone who was granted asylum which has the same requirement for papers
4) One of a number of Native Americans who's number is in the 100's that never learned English
In order to legally migrate to this country you must demonstrate proficiency in the English language.
 

beth

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Yes, bionicarm, if you are not a US citizen, you should carry the ID you need to show that you are authorized to be here. In what country is this not a requirement? It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with this country experiencing so many illegals coming from Mexico, many of whom bring organized crime with them. If we are being inundated by illegal Canadians who bring neo-Nazi activist activities with them, then we would be talking about building a fence on the Northern boarder.
Why do some think it is a crime to ask someone who is not a citizen to show ID? Actually, everyone who is driving a car needs to have a driver's license. So, if a non English speaking person has one of those, then he can go on his merry way.
How about having some empathy for our citizens and the legal foreigners who live on the boarder of Mexico and have to put up with what is going on with out of control illegal crossings and crime spilling over.
 

beth

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Originally Posted by reefraff
Who said anything about Hispanic? You are the one all hung up on race. If a person can't speak English you have one of four possibilities (assuming they are an adult)
1) Illegal alien
2) Legal migrant worker who under federal law is required to have their "papers" at all times
3) Someone who was granted asylum which has the same requirement for papers
4) One of a number of Native Americans who's number is in the 100's that never learned English
In order to legally migrate to this country you must demonstrate proficiency in the English language.
Actually, there are Hispanic US citizens who have spent their life here who do not speak English. These are Cuban born living in So. Fla. Older generation.
 

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darthtang aw

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Yes, bionicarm, if you are not a US citizen, you should carry the ID you need to show that you are authorized to be here.  In what country is this not a requirement?  It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with  this country experiencing so many illegals coming from Mexico, many of whom bring organized crime with them.  If we are being inundated by illegal Canadians who bring neo-Nazi activist activities with them, then we would be talking about building a fence on the Northern boarder.  
Why do some think it is a crime to ask someone who is not a citizen to show ID?  Actually, everyone who is driving a car needs to have a driver's license.  So, if a non English speaking person has one of those, then he can go on his merry way.
How about having some empathy for our citizens and the legal foreigners  who live on the boarder of Mexico and have to put up with what is going on with out of control illegal crossings and crime spilling over.
As much as Bionic Travels, you would think he would know it is a requirement in all countries for you to have your passport on you at all times.
 
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