Im voting republican but BOY is Sarah Palins accent and voice annoying!

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2781417
You do realize the last time we demanded reparations it spawned the nazis right? And you do realize Obama is running around advocating a "surge" in afghanistan, and doing raids into pakistan.
I think he/she is a little out of sorts

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2781437
Right winger at the New York Times, thats rich
If past articles I just looked at are any indication he isn't exactly a friend f the current administration

Yea, I just read it was Quaylin who started the rumors up again. Guess we know who the head moron is.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2781417
You do realize the last time we demanded reparations it spawned the nazis right? And you do realize Obama is running around advocating a "surge" in afghanistan, and doing raids into pakistan.
What? I'm clueless to this event in history. I suppose you're saying we demanded money from Germany after WW1, and because of it that's why Hitler began his quest for world domination? Now that's a stretch. Iraq has BILLIONS sitting in the banks. We keep handing them $10 BILLION A MONTH to fix their little infrastructures and make them a happy Democracy. Since we've already saved them from the devil named Hussein, why shouldn't they be paying to fix their country? If you say the money is going towards funding bombs, planes, troops, etc., then why can't we bill them for our services? Journey's sitting over there making a nice little paycheck. You don't think the contractor he works for isn't billing the US Government (i.e you and me) probably twice if not three times the going rate of what they would charge for the same service working in the US? Send that bill to Iraq.
Obama is advocating we pull out of Iraq in no more than 18 months. He's stating instead of wasting billions in Iraq, send them to Afghanistan and Pakistan to try and find the guy who actually caused the bombings of the WTC. Bush has had 8 years to find Bin Laden and couldn't. McCain will just follow Bush's failed doctrines, so we know he's unable to do it. Time to put someone in office who can. Obama/Biden '08!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2781737
What? I'm clueless to this event in history. I suppose you're saying we demanded money from Germany after WW1, and because of it that's why Hitler began his quest for world domination? Now that's a stretch. Iraq has BILLIONS sitting in the banks. We keep handing them $10 BILLION A MONTH to fix their little infrastructures and make them a happy Democracy. Since we've already saved them from the devil named Hussein, why shouldn't they be paying to fix their country? If you say the money is going towards funding bombs, planes, troops, etc., then why can't we bill them for our services? Journey's sitting over there making a nice little paycheck. You don't think the contractor he works for isn't billing the US Government (i.e you and me) probably twice if not three times the going rate of what they would charge for the same service working in the US? Send that bill to Iraq.
Obama is advocating we pull out of Iraq in no more than 18 months. He's stating instead of wasting billions in Iraq, send them to Afghanistan and Pakistan to try and find the guy who actually caused the bombings of the WTC. Bush has had 8 years to find Bin Laden and couldn't. McCain will just follow Bush's failed doctrines, so we know he's unable to do it. Time to put someone in office who can. Obama/Biden '08!
i've never seen a country with a good economy, put a despot in power.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2781722
Yea, I just read it was Quaylin who started the rumors up again. Guess we know who the head moron is.

All I read on the front page of the New York Times was about Obama and his known associations with Ayers. I didn't see a single rumor published there.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2781722
Yea, I just read it was Quaylin who started the rumors up again. Guess we know who the head moron is.

I'm still confused...
is your position that Obama doesn't know obama or that it is not a big deal that they know each other... You keep playing both sides of the fence here.
Frankly, the way you refuse to take a position on this reminds me of Obama's voting record.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2781737
What? I'm clueless to this event in history. I suppose you're saying we demanded money from Germany after WW1, and because of it that's why Hitler began his quest for world domination? Now that's a stretch. Iraq has BILLIONS sitting in the banks. We keep handing them $10 BILLION A MONTH to fix their little infrastructures and make them a happy Democracy. Since we've already saved them from the devil named Hussein, why shouldn't they be paying to fix their country? If you say the money is going towards funding bombs, planes, troops, etc., then why can't we bill them for our services? Journey's sitting over there making a nice little paycheck. You don't think the contractor he works for isn't billing the US Government (i.e you and me) probably twice if not three times the going rate of what they would charge for the same service working in the US? Send that bill to Iraq.
Obama is advocating we pull out of Iraq in no more than 18 months. He's stating instead of wasting billions in Iraq, send them to Afghanistan and Pakistan to try and find the guy who actually caused the bombings of the WTC. Bush has had 8 years to find Bin Laden and couldn't. McCain will just follow Bush's failed doctrines, so we know he's unable to do it. Time to put someone in office who can. Obama/Biden '08!
*The War reparations billed to Germany after WW1 certainly lead to the rise in the Nazi party. Every historian worth a dime will tell you that.
*I am making a decent paycheck. Feel free to come join me. There are plenty of jobs available.

Just don't expect to be sitting around much. This is a warzone and we work hard.. But, like I said, feel free to come over.
*Again, I'm confused... You state we're never going to get rid of terrorism, then turn around and say Obama will do it.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2781376
... Good cop out. And if 100 Years Of War McCain get's voted in, we'll spend another couple trillion in Afghanistan and Iran chasing these terrorists you'll NEVER completely wipe out....

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2781737
.....
Obama is advocating we pull out of Iraq in no more than 18 months. He's stating instead of wasting billions in Iraq, send them to Afghanistan and Pakistan to try and find the guy who actually caused the bombings of the WTC. ......
One more question...
Why is it a waste for McCain to send troops to Afghanistan, but Obama's plan to send them to Afghanistan is not a waste of trillions of dollars?? He going to "Hope" and "change" them out of the hills and caves like a 21st century Pide Piper?

 

[1journeyman]

Oh, btw.. I'm all for letting the Iraqi's begin paying for our services...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2781937
*The War reparations billed to Germany after WW1 certainly lead to the rise in the Nazi party. Every historian worth a dime will tell you that.
*I am making a decent paycheck. Feel free to come join me. There are plenty of jobs available.

Just don't expect to be sitting around much. This is a warzone and we work hard.. But, like I said, feel free to come over.
*Again, I'm confused... You state we're never going to get rid of terrorism, then turn around and say Obama will do it.

Look, it would be political suicide for any presidential candidate if they didn't say they would do something to try and quell the terrorism you paranoid war fanatics seem to think will be taken care of as long as we have a presence in the Middle East. In today's age, terrorism is a way of life for every country in this world. I said a thousand times -- no matter how much money , time, and militray you throw at it, you'll never completely erradicate it. You just like to twist my words around so they meet your agenda, and you can make some ridiculous statement you've won a useless argument that means absoultely nothing. So if you're so big on erradicating terrorism, how are you going to handle this new form or terrorist regime?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26564997/

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2781841
All I read on the front page of the New York Times was about Obama and his known associations with Ayers. I didn't see a single rumor published there.
Think you better put on your reading glasses and read it again. Your right-wing, X-Files theory eyes are playing tricks on you.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2781937
*The War reparations billed to Germany after WW1 certainly lead to the rise in the Nazi party. Every historian worth a dime will tell you that.
*I am making a decent paycheck. Feel free to come join me. There are plenty of jobs available.

Just don't expect to be sitting around much. This is a warzone and we work hard.. But, like I said, feel free to come over.
*Again, I'm confused... You state we're never going to get rid of terrorism, then turn around and say Obama will do it.

Sorry, my major in college wasn't history. Had better things to do with my life than reading old news that someone like you likes to spout to impress people.
That's OK. I can make the same money here in the ole USA, and not have to worry about getting sand in my shorts everyday.
Why not Obama? Bush hasn't done much about it during the wasted 8 years he's been in office. Since McCain is nothing but a Bush clone, I doubt he'll do any better.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2781059
Study warfare...
4,000 deaths, across 2 fronts in a war that has lasted for 7 years, without a single attack again reaching our homeland...
Any war historian would laud that as a sweeping and monumental success.
By that standard, the Vietnam war was a resounding success - lots more dead, took a long time, and also had no demonstrable effect on our security.
Squandered our National Treasure huh? How many trillions have earmarks and pet projects been wasted on over the past 30 years... Again... what is the price for security?
A quick cost benefit calculation shows lots of cost, true, but a benefit of zero, means infinitely bad deal.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2782236
Why not Obama? Bush hasn't done much about it during the wasted 8 years he's been in office. Since McCain is nothing but a Bush clone, I doubt he'll do any better.
1. Obama is a socialist.
2. Obama is a socialist.
3. Obama is a socialist.
McCain isn't a bush clone, you do realize that twice he was targeted by the dems to switch parties, and Kerry at least considered him for veep and probably offered him the job 4 years ago.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2782270
A quick cost benefit calculation shows lots of cost, true, but a benefit of zero, means infinitely bad deal.
How is a free iraq a bad deal? How is ending the Iraqi torture/rapee rooms, removing a guy who used chemical weapons on his own country, and freeing 25 million Iraqis, and no domestic terrorist attacks a benefit of 0?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2782232
Look, it would be political suicide for any presidential candidate if they didn't say they would do something to try and quell the terrorism you paranoid war fanatics seem to think will be taken care of as long as we have a presence in the Middle East. In today's age, terrorism is a way of life for every country in this world. I said a thousand times -- no matter how much money , time, and militray you throw at it, you'll never completely erradicate it. You just like to twist my words around so they meet your agenda, and you can make some ridiculous statement you've won a useless argument that means absoultely nothing. So if you're so big on erradicating terrorism, how are you going to handle this new form or terrorist regime?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26564997/
You seem to think not defeating Al Qaeda is an option. It is not. We can't ignore 9-11 and hope it doesn't happen again.
You didn't answer my question; Why is it wasting money for McCain to wage war in Afghanistan, but not when Obama does it? (your words)

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2782236
Sorry, my major in college wasn't history. Had better things to do with my life than reading old news that someone like you likes to spout to impress people.
That's OK. I can make the same money here in the ole USA, and not have to worry about getting sand in my shorts everyday.
Why not Obama? Bush hasn't done much about it during the wasted 8 years he's been in office. Since McCain is nothing but a Bush clone, I doubt he'll do any better.
* I don't expect everyone to know history. That said, it does seem kind of silly to attack someone's point when you later admit you don't know anything about it. The original point is absolutely correct; reparations after WW1, among several other issues with the Treaty, sent Germany into an abyss.
*The McCain is a clone point is just inaccurate. Again, history shows Obama is "more of a clone" to the Democratic Party. Is it fair to say he is a Carter Clone?
You ask "Why not Obama?" Here is why:
*He has stated he will cut our military's budget; including R&D spending
*He wants to socialize major industries in our Nation, including energy and health care.
*He will appoint activist judges to the SC.
*Based on his associations, his cabinet picks, appointments, and other staff will be a disaster for our Nation.
*He has no experience with budgeting

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2782270
By that standard, the Vietnam war was a resounding success - lots more dead, took a long time, and also had no demonstrable effect on our security.
A quick cost benefit calculation shows lots of cost, true, but a benefit of zero, means infinitely bad deal.
No..
We retreated from Vietnam after losing far greater casualties. your point doesn't make sense after quoting mine...
Look at the economic hit we took after 9-11. What would our economy be like if Al Qaeda was flying planes into buildings every 6 months?
Security is priceless.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2782521
No..
We retreated from Vietnam after losing far greater casualties. your point doesn't make sense after quoting mine...
Look at the economic hit we took after 9-11. What would our economy be like if Al Qaeda was flying planes into buildings every 6 months?
Security is priceless.
PARANOIA WILL DESTROY YA! The terrorists have already won. Look what it's done to you. They don't have to make one more attack on US soil. They can sit back and laugh at us spending trillions looking for these extremists that we'll never be able to completely erradicate. They have you looking constantly over your shoulder, just wondering, when will the next big attack be. As long as you have that mentality, terrorism will always exist. So explain to me how we handle these Westerner's Al-Qaeda is apparently training now in Pakistan? The guy sitting next to you on your plane trip to Belize could have very well been a terrorist. You gonna start second-guessing every person you see on the street? Wondering, "Hmm, that guy looked at me weird. He's carrying a suspicious package. Better call the CIA to have him checked out." Yea, security is priceless. Too bad it's gonna put every American in the poor house because a select few like you think chasing ghosts will make you sleep better at night.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2782483
You seem to think not defeating Al Qaeda is an option. It is not. We can't ignore 9-11 and hope it doesn't happen again.
You didn't answer my question; Why is it wasting money for McCain to wage war in Afghanistan, but not when Obama does it? (your words)
My words are it's a waste of money no matter which person is in office. But if I had to pick one, I'd take Obama. If McCain gets in, we'll get stuck with that idiot running mate of his 2 years down the line (Vegas odds are McCain wouldn't make it past 2010). You want Al-Qaeda on your front doorstep, let her handle our foreign policy. She couldn't even remember Bin Laden's name in the debate!