Im voting republican but BOY is Sarah Palins accent and voice annoying!

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2775987
And there's a problem with the lowlife scum who sell the hard drugs blowing each other away? That's probably a good thing. Don't even compare that to someone who is an alcoholic that gets behind the wheel for the 10th time and plows over a mother whose walking her baby in a stroller, or the family that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and goes head-on with a drunk person.
I have no particular problem with a couple of drug lords offing each other. The 4 year old playing in his living room and catching a bullet in the head bothers me a bit however Or, to use your example, the mother and baby gunned down on the street in a drive by. As do all of the deaths on the border towns, farms, and villages throughout central and south America...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2775983
Ah, the Ayers Conspiracy still lives on in Journey's fantasy world....
I'm curious...
Do you disagree that Obama's campaign was started with Ayers and he worked closely with Ayers, along with calling him a friend?
Or do you disagree that Ayers is a known and admitted domestic terrorist.
Which of these two facts do you deny?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2775995
He admit that he experimented on Weed. Who would have known if he did not say it. My whole point of bringing up those things was because 1journeyman mentioned Michelle Obama's name. The old republican attack strategy. Make a DUI ok . Make Michelle look bad but let it be ok to use your charity cause to benefit your drug habit. Yeah compare Obama's bank account to Cindy McCain's bank account.
I didn't make a DUI ok.. I did point out the difference between the DUI of a VP's spouse and the drug habit of the Presidential nominee...
Michelle doesn't need me to make her look bad. Her anti-American comments covered her basics.
I never compared bank accounts. I did point out the irony of you trying to say the Bible tells the Government to provide for the poor when in actuality it says we as individuals should; Something Obama and Biden never have done...

 

[johnbob]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2776014
I didn't make a DUI ok.. I did point out the difference between the DUI of a VP's spouse and the drug habit of the Presidential nominee...
Michelle doesn't need me to make her look bad. Her anti-American comments covered her basics.
I never compared bank accounts. I did point out the irony of you trying to say the Bible tells the Government to provide for the poor when in actuality it says we as individuals should; Something Obama and Biden never have done...
I fail to see how experimenting with weed when you are younger is a drug habit.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2775938
So you think DUI is the same as someone who experimented on weed?
:

Didn't he openly admit to doing Cocaine...I could be wrong on this..

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2775401
i <3 these types of threads.
what i found most interesting (and, most deplorable, at the same time) was that as soon as Palin was announced as vp, the left and the media went on the attack. had hillary been announced as a vp, she would have been put on a pedastal.
the media and the left are afraid of palin. she is what hillary isnt and wont be. they know this and the will berate and destroy her because of it.
this hopefully has been said already, but didnt bill have a worse drawl than palin?
i normally vote republican, but would have no problems voting democratic if the candidate was worthy. now, i really dont like mccain, but i refuse to vote for obama. not voting at all is the same for voting for obama, in this case.
Amen to that

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2776009
I'm curious...
Do you disagree that Obama's campaign was started with Ayers and he worked closely with Ayers, along with calling him a friend?
Or do you disagree that Ayers is a known and admitted domestic terrorist.
Which of these two facts do you deny?
Journey, we've already "been there, done that" with the Ayers association. As it was atated, Ayers is not a close friend of Obama's. They served on the same Board together, where "they exchanged ideas on a regular basis". Ayers donated money to Obama's Senate race because he did know the guy. You keep wanting to make it out like they hung out together on a regular basis, and he was a close advisor to his Senate campaign. Obama ws 8 when Ayers was associated with the Weatherman Undergound. If Ayers was a such a concern for being associated with him back when he was running for Senate, don't you think his advisors would've told him to distance himself from the guy? He got elected to the Senate by knowing the guy, what's different now?
Let me start my own conspiracy on McCain. That guy was hanging out at the Hanoi

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for 5 years, having daily encounters with the North Vietnamese. What military secrets did he divulge when he was being tortured? He says he didn't give anything up, but do you know that for sure? Maybe he has some old friends hanging out in the facility where North Korea is making nuclear weapons. When it comes time to negotiate arms treaties with those guys, you sure he won't "turn the other cheek"?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2775938
So you think DUI is the same as someone who experimented on weed?
How many innocent people have died from drunk drivers?

Obama admitted to using cocaine and MJ from high school and in college. That was a pretty in depth "experiment"

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2775572
what was Mccain THINKING?????? gawsh dang it!!! why can't the high profile women in politics be inspiring and intelligent?? AUGH!!!! But nooooooooooo. We get stuck with Palin and Clinton as our female role models. An idiot and an ice queen. Awesome. Thanks. <grumble grumble> I know, personally, some wonderful, well rounded, articulate, highly educated women in politics - they just don't happen to have TV cameras following them around all the time. It's a dang shame.
Is it still possible for Mccain to pick someone else? PLEASE????
Palin was elected to the city council, then mayor of the same city. After that she was appointed to the state petroleum commission. After that she was elected governor and at this time has the highest approval rating of any governor in the nation.
Why would you assume she is stupid? Because she is pro life, relatively nice looking, from a rural state, didn't attend an ivy league university?

 

[miaheatlvr]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776242
Let me start my own conspiracy on McCain. That guy was hanging out at the Hanoi

[hr]
for 5 years, having daily encounters with the North Vietnamese. What military secrets did he divulge when he was being tortured? He says he didn't give anything up, but do you know that for sure? Maybe he has some old friends hanging out in the facility where North Korea is making nuclear weapons. When it comes time to negotiate arms treaties with those guys, you sure he won't "turn the other cheek"?
I usually stay out of these political debates but questioning McCains patriotism or conduct with a theory, while serving this country and being a POW for 5 years, I think is deplorable.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776242
Journey, we've already "been there, done that" with the Ayers association. As it was atated, Ayers is not a close friend of Obama's. They served on the same Board together, where "they exchanged ideas on a regular basis". Ayers donated money to Obama's Senate race because he did know the guy. You keep wanting to make it out like they hung out together on a regular basis, and he was a close advisor to his Senate campaign. Obama ws 8 when Ayers was associated with the Weatherman Undergound. If Ayers was a such a concern for being associated with him back when he was running for Senate, don't you think his advisors would've told him to distance himself from the guy? He got elected to the Senate by knowing the guy, what's different now?
Let me start my own conspiracy on McCain. That guy was hanging out at the Hanoi

[hr]
for 5 years, having daily encounters with the North Vietnamese. What military secrets did he divulge when he was being tortured? He says he didn't give anything up, but do you know that for sure? Maybe he has some old friends hanging out in the facility where North Korea is making nuclear weapons. When it comes time to negotiate arms treaties with those guys, you sure he won't "turn the other cheek"?

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2...iam-ayers.html
Obama Needs to Explain His Ties to William Ayers
August 22, 2008 05:56 PM ET | Michael Barone | Permanent Link
In my U.S. News column this week, I make a brief reference to the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist bomber William Ayers and his connections to Barack Obama. They were closer than Obama implied when George Stephanopoulos asked him about Ayers in the April 16 debate—the last debate Obama allowed during the primary season. To get an idea of how close they were, check out Tom Maguire's Just One Minute blog and Steve Diamond's Global Labor and Politics. The Obama-Ayers relationship is also mentioned in David Freddoso's The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate.
Ayers was one of the original grantees of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school reform organization in the 1990s, and was cochairman of the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, one the two operational arms of the CAC. Obama, then not yet a state senator, became chairman of the CAC in 1995. Later in that year, the first organizing meeting for Obama's state Senate campaign was held in Ayers's apartment. Ayers later wrote a memoir, and an article about him appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001. "I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers is quoted as saying. "I feel we didn't do enough."

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2776065
Didn't he openly admit to doing Cocaine...I could be wrong on this..
Could be, but I don't think so
Daily News
FRANK TALK ABOUT DRUG USE IN OBAMA'S 'OPEN BOOK'
by Bernard Schoenburg, (Source:State Journal-Register)
16 Nov 2003
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Illinois

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State Sen. BARACK OBAMA, D-Chicago, who is running for U.S. Senate, didn't tell all when recently asked about any past use of illegal drugs.
I know that because I found out more information in a 1995 book by - guess who - Barack Obama.
"Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance," is, according to liner notes, a "lyrical, unsentimental, and compelling memoir" documenting how "the son of a black African father and white American mother searches for a workable meaning to his life as a black American."
In his introduction, Obama says he was asked to write the book because of publicity he received as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, and he took a year off after graduation to do so. He said last week he was 33 when he wrote it. He had gone to law school after being a community organizer in Chicago. His Kenyan father and his mother, a Kansas native, met when both were students in Hawaii.
Obama, 42, told me recently he had tried marijuana in high school and hasn't consumed any illegal drugs in 20 years. When I asked if there was anything beyond marijuana in his past, Obama said, "That'll suffice." But the book includes a passage in which Obama discusses how he dealt with questions from his mother when he was 17 and a senior in high school. The context of the book also makes clear that he was trying to deal with the problems his race presented.
"I had learned not to care," he wrote. "I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. ..."
"Blow" is a street name for cocaine. "Smack" is slang for heroin.
"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man," Obama wrote. "Except the highs hadn't been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn't make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmate's sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you'd met down at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl. ... You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of disaffection."
Obama last week apologized for not telling me earlier about his past as portrayed in the book. He said I had caught him off guard with the drug question and that, at the time, he had not wanted to overshadow his story of that day - his endorsement by the Illinois Federation of Teachers.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2776277
I usually stay out of these political debates but questioning McCains patriotism or conduct with a theory, while serving this country and being a POW for 5 years, I think is deplorable.
For me, tying Obama to Ayers and questioning his patriotism is just as deplorable. I would assume any reasonable person would see my 'McCain Conspiracy" as nothing more than an extreme attempt to discredit a candidate. Kinda what people are doing with Ayers.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2776284
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2...iam-ayers.html
Obama Needs to Explain His Ties to William Ayers
August 22, 2008 05:56 PM ET | Michael Barone | Permanent Link
In my U.S. News column this week, I make a brief reference to the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist bomber William Ayers and his connections to Barack Obama. They were closer than Obama implied when George Stephanopoulos asked him about Ayers in the April 16 debate—the last debate Obama allowed during the primary season. To get an idea of how close they were, check out Tom Maguire's Just One Minute blog and Steve Diamond's Global Labor and Politics. The Obama-Ayers relationship is also mentioned in David Freddoso's The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate.
Ayers was one of the original grantees of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school reform organization in the 1990s, and was cochairman of the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, one the two operational arms of the CAC. Obama, then not yet a state senator, became chairman of the CAC in 1995. Later in that year, the first organizing meeting for Obama's state Senate campaign was held in Ayers's apartment. Ayers later wrote a memoir, and an article about him appeared in the New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001. "I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers is quoted as saying. "I feel we didn't do enough."

Yea, I'm sure those blogs from Ultra Conservative Right Wingers are biased. Seems like the only people running with this Ayers diatribe are the hard core Republicans wanting to voice their spin in useless forums and blogs. I haven't heard a thing about Ayers in the mainstream media or newspapers since it was brought up over 6 or 8 months ago. I've never heard McCain make any statements about it in any of his recent speeches. So I think your candidate is smart enough to know it's a waste of time and space to even bring the issue up.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776374
For me, tying Obama to Ayers and questioning his patriotism is just as deplorable. I would assume any reasonable person would see my 'McCain Conspiracy" as nothing more than an extreme attempt to discredit a candidate. Kinda what people are doing with Ayers.
If that were my friend, and I was applying for a job needing security clearance I wouldn't get it. Simple as that, and this guy is going to have access to EVERYTHING.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776387
So I think your candidate is smart enough to know it's a waste of time and space to even bring the issue up.
Personally I am reminded of something called an october surprise.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2775677
Is that what it is? I like that one.

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2775751
That bring me back to my point. Is that what it is? Are we talking about wives? Cindy McCain and Todd Palin are not Saints. And there are actual things that they have done. I dont like the fact that McCain left his disabled wife for a younger rich woman. I dont like the fact that McCain voted against Martin Luther King holiday. He was not squeaky clean about the Keating Five Scandal. I dont like the fact that Cindy McCain used her charity for her drug addiction. I dont like the fact that Todd Palin got a DUI and that he was apart of Alaskas Independence Party. These are examples of each persons actual doing. Not becasue of who they know or worked with.

Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2775938
So you think DUI is the same as someone who experimented on weed?
How many innocent people have died from drunk drivers?

Let me sum up what you are telling me to buy here.
- It is ok for the candidate to do illegal drugs, but not ok for the veeps spouse to have a
single DUI.
- It is ok for the candidate to have close ties with a terrorist. But it isn't ok for a candidate to have made a propaganda video while being really tortured in Vietnam.
And finally, what is IT?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776387
Yea, I'm sure those blogs from Ultra Conservative Right Wingers are biased. Seems like the only people running with this Ayers diatribe are the hard core Republicans wanting to voice their spin in useless forums and blogs. I haven't heard a thing about Ayers in the mainstream media or newspapers since it was brought up over 6 or 8 months ago. I've never heard McCain make any statements about it in any of his recent speeches. So I think your candidate is smart enough to know it's a waste of time and space to even bring the issue up.
US news and world reports Ultra Conservative

This source includes people like Lanny Davis, Peter Finn and Bill Press among their right wing staff

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/09/2...the-beginning/
Here's one from a left wing site
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008...rs-begins.html

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776242
Journey, we've already "been there, done that" with the Ayers association. As it was atated, Ayers is not a close friend of Obama's. They served on the same Board together, where "they exchanged ideas on a regular basis". Ayers donated money to Obama's Senate race because he did know the guy. You keep wanting to make it out like they hung out together on a regular basis, and he was a close advisor to his Senate campaign. Obama ws 8 when Ayers was associated with the Weatherman Undergound. If Ayers was a such a concern for being associated with him back when he was running for Senate, don't you think his advisors would've told him to distance himself from the guy? He got elected to the Senate by knowing the guy, what's different now?

I don't know many NOT close friends or associates that would throw a fund raising party at their own house to start my campaign.....come on, they know each other well....he didn't "just know" the guy.

 

[reefraff]

Face it, Obama is an accomplished liar, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN
He is nothing special. Maybe if McCain wins Obama will go back to the Senate and put together a record that matches his hype and rhetoric.