Is everyone equal in heaven?

[ca161406]

No one knows if there is a God.
No one knows if there isn't a God.
No way to disprove something that hasn't been proven.
There might be, and there might not be.
Its up to us as individuals do decide if we want to
believe in a God or not.
Myself, I choose not to. But I respect others beliefs just
as I would hope they would respect mine.

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by ca161406
http:///forum/post/3109200
No one knows if there is a God.
No one knows if there isn't a God.
No way to disprove something that hasn't been proven.
There might be, and there might not be.
Its up to us as individuals do decide if we want to
believe in a God or not.
Myself, I choose not to. But I respect others beliefs just
as I would hope they would respect mine.

Wrong, I know that there IS a God.
But you are correct, it is up to each individual to decide if you want to believe. Good luck in your choice...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3109182
Wrong in whose mind, yours?
I bring up the religious discussions because I'm curious what other people's thoughts are on the subject. You seem to throw your religious beliefs into many of the threads you post in, especially the MULTIPLE political threads you start. So yea, I'd say that's 'forcing religion down my throat'.

Now that is really hilarious since I don't go to church. I don't tithe, and each time my wife has asked to go to church I roll my eyes and mutter under my breath. So what exactly are my religious beliefs since I post them all the time?
You are curious about other people's beliefs only so you can demean them. You don't want religion forced down your throat, yet you are curious about peoples beliefs....you cant have it both way. If you ask what people believe they will tell you...and you may not like what they answer...but don't complain about them forcing it down your throat when you were the one that asked, or when you are the one questioning what they believe when you are getting the story and beliefs wrong....

 

[tangman99]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3109195
No, I was not Tang

I made a point to say that I was not specifically referring to you.
I know and I saw where you said that. I just couldn't resist!

You do bring up a good point about impressions we grow up with but I can't blame my beliefs or lack of them on those really. I'm a grown man and have seen a lot of things in my 40+ years that mostly lead me to question a lot of what religion teaches. Being an Engineer with a lot of science in my background also blurs the lines.
I must admit as I get older and know I am probably descending on the backside of the mountain that is life, I do think about it more that I did say 10 years ago. I do believe there is something after death and that you don't just cease to exist. What that is, I have no idea. I also know that I love and enjoy life and I am in no hurry to get there.
I attended my ex-wife's mother's funeral a couple of weeks ago and listened to the preacher telling her family how she was in a better place and could see them comforted by what he said as she suffered a very long illness. Not really believing what he was saying though, I did find myself wondering what really happens. I don't think anyone looks forward to dieing but that is the one thing I wish I had that I don't and that is the peace that many have that do believe in a heaven and that death is just the beginning. I'm sure it is something I will struggle with even more as I grow older.

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3109211
... since I don't go to church. I don't tithe, and each time my wife has asked to go to church I roll my eyes and mutter under my breath.
Now Darth...why is this? Forget about religion, but can you not just go one Sunday? If for no other reason, just to see the gleam in your wife's eye's when you say..."yes, let's go to a church this Sunday". I'm telling you guys, you all have the wrong impression. You will meet some really cool people that are just like you. You will add friends to your list, friends like you. Everybody thinks there will only be 'goody two shoes' at a church. You will be surprised at how much you have in common. Church now days is not a bunch of old fogies that wear 3-piece suits. They are "us". I wear jeans/shorts and cut the crap with everyone there. If you guys are that turned off, you need to re-evaluate.

 

[reefforbrains]

Forget it, I have typed out a message several times just now only to delete as it is on deaf ears. I can appreciate your passion and beliefs. I can see you are happy in your relationships with your Gods and I wish you the best.
I am frustrated at the rift between our viewpoints but can still smile and just leave it at that.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3109215
Now Darth...why is this?

It is a long story...and it would take three posts atleast to give details and understanding...needless to say, it boils down to a fakeness I see in people. And a close minded view point on many issues concerning interpretation....My wife is not very religious herself...but occassionally she wants to go. Never understand why.
I don't need to go to a church to worship or have faith in god. This is also in the bible....I see to much in religion I do not like...mainly wasted money. But at the same point I greatly dislike people that bad mouth and put down religion trying to use scripture in the process and obviously the have no clue of context or timeline of said scripture.
And the next anti-christian/religion person that tells me to my face I can't judge because the bible says "judge not", is going to find out if my fist can fit in his ear.

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/3109213
I know and I saw where you said that. I just couldn't resist!

You do bring up a good point about impressions we grow up with but I can't blame my beliefs or lack of them on those really. I'm a grown man and have seen a lot of things in my 40+ years that mostly lead me to question a lot of what religion teaches. Being an Engineer with a lot of science in my background also blurs the lines.
I must admit as I get older and know I am probably descending on the backside of the mountain that is life, I do think about it more that I did say 10 years ago. I do believe there is something after death and that you don't just cease to exist. What that is, I have no idea. I also know that I love and enjoy life and I am in no hurry to get there.
I attended my ex-wife's mother's funeral a couple of weeks ago and listened to the preacher telling her family how she was in a better place and could see them comforted by what he said as she suffered a very long illness. Not really believing what he was saying though, I did find myself wondering what really happens. I don't think anyone looks forward to dieing but that is the one thing I wish I had that I don't and that is the peace that many have that do believe in a heaven and that death is just the beginning. I'm sure it is something I will struggle with even more as I grow older.
Bro...that right there is probably where most people are who claim to disbelieve (including bionicarm, although he won't admit it). There is not much difference in where you are now, and the simple fact of coming to the conclusion that there is a God. Unless you are some anti-religion, terrorist, (well, even them), it's nothing more than saying..."hey, I believe". I don't know all of the Catholic ways, but from the Catholic guys I hang with, they are wilder than my fraternity brothers. It's making that decision, yes I'm in, or no I'm not.
Either way, good post...

I'm not a preacher. How I got caught up in this thread, I don't know.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3109211
Now that is really hilarious since I don't go to church. I don't tithe, and each time my wife has asked to go to church I roll my eyes and mutter under my breath. So what exactly are my religious beliefs since I post them all the time?
You are curious about other people's beliefs only so you can demean them. You don't want religion forced down your throat, yet you are curious about peoples beliefs....you cant have it both way. If you ask what people believe they will tell you...and you may not like what they answer...but don't complain about them forcing it down your throat when you were the one that asked, or when you are the one questioning what they believe when you are getting the story and beliefs wrong....
Maybe you should use those same principles when you start yet another one of your many anti-Obama posts.

You are curious about other people's opinions on Obama's policies only so you can demean them. You don't want Obama's views forced down your throat, yet you are curious about peoples opinions about him....you cant have it both ways. If you ask what people think about Obama's policies they will tell you...and you may not like what they answer...but don't complain about them forcing it down your throat when you were the one that asked, or when you are the one questioning what they think when you are getting the story and opnions wrong....[/

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3109333
Maybe you should use those same principles when you start yet another one of your many anti-Obama posts.

You are curious about other people's opinions on Obama's policies only so you can demean them. You don't want Obama's views forced down your throat, yet you are curious about peoples opinions about him....you cant have it both ways. If you ask what people think about Obama's policies they will tell you...and you may not like what they answer...but don't complain about them forcing it down your throat when you were the one that asked, or when you are the one questioning what they think when you are getting the story and opnions wrong....[/

Seriously, are you trying to compare the two that much? Not even close to the same. Obama has the power to directly affect my life and future. Show me a religious person in this country that can force you to accept their religious view point and follow it like law......nice stretch though.
I think you are more butt hurt than obama is over these debates. And I know you are definitely butt hurt after being called out in this thread.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3109366
Seriously, are you trying to compare the two that much? Not even close to the same. Obama has the power to directly affect my life and future. Show me a religious person in this country that can force you to accept their religious view point and follow it like law......nice stretch though.
I think you are more butt hurt than obama is over these debates. And I know you are definitely butt hurt after being called out in this thread.
Are you serious? Look at all the religious crap Bush tried to push down our throats all the years he was in office. Look at all the idiots who want to push their religious agendas to change abortion laws. Look at the Terri Sciavo case in Florida, where it took the Supreme Court to interject because some 'religious person' didn't think they had a right to pull her feeding tube. Go take a trip to Dallas. Walk into any restaurant on the north side and try to order a beer. SORRY, you need a membership for that. We're a dry county. I got a nutcase governor Rick Perry that just announced he thinks we need to apply more religious values to our government. You need to get out more often. Nice stretch though...
Don't know why you think I'm getting my butt hurt on this topic. So far, you've provided no value to the conversation. You say I started the thread just to 'stir the pot', but you're the one wanting to be argumentative. Try again. Bend over and take a look at the rash on your back side.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3109580
Are you serious? Look at all the religious crap Bush tried to push down our throats all the years he was in office. Look at all the idiots who want to push their religious agendas to change abortion laws. Look at the Terri Sciavo case in Florida, where it took the Supreme Court to interject because some 'religious person' didn't think they had a right to pull her feeding tube. Go take a trip to Dallas. Walk into any restaurant on the north side and try to order a beer. SORRY, you need a membership for that. We're a dry county. I got a nutcase governor Rick Perry that just announced he thinks we need to apply more religious values to our government. You need to get out more often. Nice stretch though...
Don't know why you think I'm getting my butt hurt on this topic. So far, you've provided no value to the conversation. You say I started the thread just to 'stir the pot', but you're the one wanting to be argumentative. Try again. Bend over and take a look at the rash on your back side.

I have pointed out every misconception regarding the bible and shown you that you are claiming wrong. This has been my contribution. I guess you don't count it because it shows a lack of knowledge or understanding on your part.
1. Bush changed what laws religiously....please list.
2. Terry Schiavo was about her PARENTS NOT wanting her taken off life support and the husband wanting it. It was a court battle over Power of attorney. Nice try though. Yeah some religious people jumped on this and start trumpeting, but in the beginning that was not the reason. In the end...what decision was forced down your throat?
3. Go to a different area of Dallas. I drank there two years ago super bowl night...they didn't ask me my religion and the only card I needed is the same card (ID) i use in every other town. (I suppose moving out the county would be to difficult also).
4. Governor has succeeded in this? didn't think so.
5. I get out often enough.....one would think 6 years living in Europe wopuld count as getting out.
6. I bent over and took a look, incidentally, It matched your photograph....I see why you have trouble with your "card" and getting a drink.

 

[dragonzim]

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3109650

Cute

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3109628
I have pointed out every misconception regarding the bible and shown you that you are claiming wrong. This has been my contribution. I guess you don't count it because it shows a lack of knowledge or understanding on your part.
1. Bush changed what laws religiously....please list.
2. Terry Schiavo was about her PARENTS NOT wanting her taken off life support and the husband wanting it. It was a court battle over Power of attorney. Nice try though. Yeah some religious people jumped on this and start trumpeting, but in the beginning that was not the reason. In the end...what decision was forced down your throat?
3. Go to a different area of Dallas. I drank there two years ago super bowl night...they didn't ask me my religion and the only card I needed is the same card (ID) i use in every other town. (I suppose moving out the county would be to difficult also).
4. Governor has succeeded in this? didn't think so.
5. I get out often enough.....one would think 6 years living in Europe wopuld count as getting out.
6. I bent over and took a look, incidentally, It matched your photograph....I see why you have trouble with your "card" and getting a drink.

The problem with your logic about the bible is the book in general is nothing more than fables and stories written by a bunch of philosophers of the time who were recounting second-hand stories.
Not all of Dallas is dry. There's a Mason/Dixon line just south of Carrolton. Everything north of that is where the moronic bible thumpers live. Guess if you never ventured off of Greenville Ave., you'd never know.
If that idiot Perry gets elected again, he'll probably try.
What laws have been forced down your throat since Obama has been in office? Have you lost your job, has your rent or

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payment gone up, has your gas gone any higher than the $4.00/gallon it was last summer when your buddy Bush was still in office, have your taxes gone up, are your groceries more expensive? Please, please tell me what has changed. Your problem is all you see is Blue. It isn't Red in the White House right now, and that just ticks you off to no avail. Obama could cut every bloated program in Washington, and you'd still call him a Socialist and liar. Just admit it. You're life is miserable because this country isn't being run by some ultra-conservative bible thumper.
Since you despise Obama so much, how about you move back to Europe for another 7 1/2 years? At least we'll have the comfort knowing the stench and smelly air in your neck of the woods will be cleaner for that long...

 

[t316]

Wow...for a decent title/topic, this thread has sure gone to the toilet.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3109950
Wow...for a decent title/topic, this thread has sure gone to the toilet.

All it takes are a couple of insults and, FLUSH. Veering off the topic in a thread is the norm around here. I don't think I've seen too many threads where this doesn't happen. Guess I'm just as much to blame as anyone else. So since we've gone completely off topic, and the thread appears to be destined for yet another Obama bash, let's call it the day and..
GO EAT SOME BACON!!!

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3110106
All it takes are a couple of insults and, FLUSH. Veering off the topic in a thread is the norm around here. I don't think I've seen too many threads where this doesn't happen. Guess I'm just as much to blame as anyone else. So since we've gone completely off topic, and the thread appears to be destined for yet another Obama bash, let's call it the day and..
GO EAT SOME BACON!!!

I haven't bashed Obama once in this thread.
On a sidenote, if he balanced the budget, I would not have a problem with anything. I didn't vote for clinton, his first term I disliked him, his second term (the one with the monica scandal) I actually didn't have many complaints...atleast no more than I do with any other president.

 

[bionicarm]

Since this kinda follows the religious theme of this thread, what's your take on tithing? I saw this article on the finacial section of MSN where a person asks whether they should continue tithing to their church while they are trying to pay off $13,000 worth of credit card debt...
http://www.slate.com/id/2224809/?gt1=38001
One part of the reply that interested me was how the Federal Govt. passed legislation allowing individuals who were in bankruptcy to continue contributing to charitable organizations.

 

[reefforbrains]

From one can of worms to another, B
My personal standpoint is obvious but to those that have built into part of the very structure code they live by, ceasing your tithing is not to even be considered.
The entire point is that you give thanks in ALL situations, for it is God's will. Your minimal 10% should not impact your family or lifestyle if you lead a responsible and stable lifestyle. You give back to God and he will repay you tenfold.
You owe your credit card company money, you owe your God EVERYTHING so it all depends on your position for perspective for relevance.
I say you are a fool and deserve to starve and be homeless if you give away your money to some fairy tale basket instead of paying off your bills....
Someone else will just say I am going to burn in hell....
It is closly tied into any debate in this subject. Contrary to the belief arguments of All or None with religion, now there are a growing number of positions every day that pop up that split the hairs for what each individual deems acceptable for what is accpetable behaviors on all sides.