Is government broken?

king_neptune

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3237217
What we need is for Warren Buffet and Bill Gates....
I remember an article, some mathematician calculated a numeric value to BIll gates name. It came out to 666
It was a LONG time ago, so on a whim just now I Google'd
"Bill Gates 666".
Found ALOT of sites actually ^_^ Hear is a clip from one:
Since we're all using MICROSOFT products here, I thought I'd just let you know these facts... Do you know that Bill gates' REAL name is William Henry Gates III? Nowadays, he is known as Bill Gates (III) where "III" means the order of third (3rd). So, what's so eerie about this name?
OK, if you take all the letters in Bill Gates III and then convert it in ASCII code (American standard code for information interchange) and then ADD up all the numbers...you will get 666, which is the number of the beast!!!
B = 66
I = 73
L = 76
L = 76
G = 71
A = 65
T = 84
E = 69
S = 83
I = 1
I = 1
I = 1__ = 666 !!!! THE NUMBER OF THE DEVIL
Coincidence? Maybe, but take WINDOWS 95 and do the SAME procedure and you will get 666 too!!! And the same goes for MS-DOS 6.31!!! Are you sure this is not a coincidence? You decide....
MS-DOS 6.21 ** 77+83+45+68+79+83+32+54+46+50+49 = 666
WINDOWS 95 ** 87+73+78+68+79+87+83+57+53+1= 666
Okay now for the good part
For those of you who still have the OLD Excel 95 (not office 97), try this:
1. Open a new file.
2. Scroll down until you see row 95.
3. Click on the row 95 button, this highlights the whole row
4. Press tab, to move to the second column.
5. Now, move your mouse and click on help, THEN about Microsoft Excel
6. Press ctrl-alt-shift and click on the tech support button simultaneously.
7. A WINDOW WILL APPEAR, TITLE: THE HALL OF TORTURED SOULS
This is really eerie, okay...it has a doom style format and you can walk all around the hall (using your arrow keys)...and on the sides of the walls are the names of the tortured souls....
8. NOW WALK UP THE STAIRS AND THEN COME BACK DOWN, FACE THE BLANK WALL AND THEN TYPE IN EXCELKFA.
This will open the blank wall to reveal another secret passage, walk through the passage and DO NOT fall off (this is the hard part!), when you get to the end, you will see something really, really eerie.... (This is REALLY there! I haven't been able to reach the end of this VERY narrow passage though.... - WILANT)
At this point of time, countless witnesses all over the world have verified that it is a real eye opener. It could be a joke by MS programmers or is it?
====================================
It goes on and on :)
In a nutshell. Im not voting for him. But if he is the Anti Christ....cant stop him anyways.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
In Word 97 I think it was If you typed in "I'd like for Bill Clinton to die" and clicked the thesaurus it would pop up "I'll drink to that"
 
sickboy

sickboy

Active Member

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3237029
He claims Lamar Alexander lied about insurance premiums going up if health care passes despite the fact the CBO is the saying it as well. Even Obama himself had to back track when he disputed Alexander's facts on Thursday.
But here's the rub. Both Obama and Krugman say well premiums are going up but you are getting better coverage so your health care costs aren't really going up But then they both (as well as most Democrats) tout saving Medicare costs by cutting out Medicare Advantage accounts which cost more than traditional Medicare, AND PROVIDES MUCH BETTER COVERAGE!!!!
Ya know, I'm not really sure what either of those have said about premiums, and it wouldn't surprise me if that were true. However, forcing the young and healthy to purchase insurance would, as a matter of probability and statistics, decrease the cost as the risk would be spread more evenly. I'm actually taking a grad course called The Economics of Health and Healthcare right now and the probability & Stats are a major portion (but the prof will not tell us what she thinks about the bill...). Basically, what I have learned so far is that Health care inflation is out of control and the major culprit is insurance, both publicly and privately provided.
Another times blog about this: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...nsurance-pool/
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3237029
Every day I get a little closer to Vini's point of view, government might be broken to the point it would take a revolution of some sort to get enough of the liars out of office to correct the problem.
Nancy "I'm going to drain the swamp of corruption" Pelosi ignores Charles Rangles multiple ethics violations by saying "I don't believe any of the thing Mr Rangle has done effects national policy". Harry Reid hands out blatant bribes to sway votes on the health care bill. This just isn't going to work
I ain't given the Republicans a pass here by just naming Democrats but the Dems are in control right now and solving the problems starts which changing the current leadership in congress. I don't see that happening without removing the Democrat party from power.
Both parties have a bunch of idiots running the show. A couple years ago with Reps in charge I said we needed a change in political funding to accommodate a multi-party platform and I think it is even more evident now. Term limits and stop the oligopoly of power that is Washington. They may argue bitterly in D.C. but neither party is doing what is needed to ensure my grandchildren have a functioning economy, they are just doing what makes them money today....now that I say it like that, maybe THEY are the enemies of America...........
 
wfd1008

wfd1008

Member
Originally Posted by SLF125
http:///forum/post/3236784
I think you don't understand what im saying. First, ill try to find an article on the 7 senators, i just remember it was on the news a while back. Second im fairly sure they were all or mostly democrats.
Third, when i say the republicans are being obstructionist i dont say that simply because they are republican, i say that because all they seem to be doing is fighting a party war (and so are dems to an extent) and it just seems like they should be acting in peoples best interest and finding a compromise, not sit there for 6 hours and say we should start over like a broken record. Personally I despise DEmocrats and Republicans.
Edit: IF memory serves me Max Baucus received a large chunk of money, he is also one of the senators heading the health care bill for the dems. I believe Chris Dodd, Tom Harkin, Mike Enzi also got a good bit of money. cant remember th others though. I do know that the top republican on the finance commitee has received upwards of a million over the past few years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009072003679
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ns-longer.html
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

Active Member
Only thing with doing away with the parties, I'm reminded of the 2003 California governor fiasco. Some of the nuts jobs that ran, had a real shot at becoming governor of the world's 7th largest economy. Granted, what the current guy in the Whitehouse is doing, and the last guy did, is probably setting us for failure, it's less scary then some people off the top of my head that would have a real shot at becoming President...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

Active Member
Ok, I got the responses I thought I would. My question is this now. These legislative practices have been in place for decades. Why are they the problem now, when under presidents such as Clinton, Reagan, Roosevelt,roosevelt, Truman, and JFK they were able to get things done? Even with all those roadblacks in place?
No the problem isn't the system. The problem is a lack of leadership and explanations from our leaders, When Clinton wanted something, he explained it to the american people and went to Capitol hill to get those against on board. Reagan did the same. as did The other presidents I listed.
The problem is not the system, but the people we have placed at the top of the system. Obama is having problems because as a former senator he as been content to sit back and let congress write and dictate the heathcare bills. Historically Congress has been less trustworthy to the people, thus why you have huge distress about the heathcare bill.
Plus Obabam has already exceeded his grace period. The stimulus bill has not done what he said it would, and since he also let congress dictate that the american people see him doing the same again and dont trust him.
The problem isnt the system, it is the lack of leadership from Obama that is the problem. He still approaches things from a campaign percpective....sorry, it has been time to be a leader, not a politician.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3237546
Ya know, I'm not really sure what either of those have said about premiums, and it wouldn't surprise me if that were true. However, forcing the young and healthy to purchase insurance would, as a matter of probability and statistics, decrease the cost as the risk would be spread more evenly. I'm actually taking a grad course called The Economics of Health and Healthcare right now and the probability & Stats are a major portion (but the prof will not tell us what she thinks about the bill...). Basically, what I have learned so far is that Health care inflation is out of control and the major culprit is insurance, both publicly and privately provided.
Another times blog about this: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...nsurance-pool/
Both parties have a bunch of idiots running the show. A couple years ago with Reps in charge I said we needed a change in political funding to accommodate a multi-party platform and I think it is even more evident now. Term limits and stop the oligopoly of power that is Washington. They may argue bitterly in D.C. but neither party is doing what is needed to ensure my grandchildren have a functioning economy, they are just doing what makes them money today....now that I say it like that, maybe THEY are the enemies of America...........
I'd ask for a tuition refund if your instructor claims it's insurance companies driving the inflation in health care.
Insurance is part of the problem but also a symptom.
Unfortunately a Supreme Court ruling from back in the 90's Makes it impossible to ever have term limits on Congress so there is not any point in even thinking about that as a practical solution to our problems.
Changing how funding works isn't a solution either. First and foremost there are too many people who share my view that the government isn't going to take one nickle of my money to bank roll the campaign of a candidate I don't support. You would also have to have the D's and R's create laws that take away their advantage. You REALLY don't think that is going to happen do you.
Short term what we need is the current congressional leadership thrown out. Long term something like the Unity 08 idea they were pushing last presidential election is the way to go but do it for congressional and President in 12.
I am not so sure it was an accident that Obama and Mclame were the nominees for their respected parties in 08. Having two party "outsiders" as the nominees killed the unity movement. I think a lot of that energy was absorbed by the tea party. If the Republicans gain control of Congress and continue down this same road that tea party energy would be easy to pull into another unity candidate.
By the way, in their on line polling and such Unity's candidate of choice in 08? Ron Paul. Don't know if he would have been the one had they gone through with the plan but it would have been interesting.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3237705
I'd ask for a tuition refund if your instructor claims it's insurance companies driving the inflation in health care.
Insurance is part of the problem but also a symptom.
Unfortunately a Supreme Court ruling from back in the 90's Makes it impossible to ever have term limits on Congress so there is not any point in even thinking about that as a practical solution to our problems.
Changing how funding works isn't a solution either. First and foremost there are too many people who share my view that the government isn't going to take one nickle of my money to bank roll the campaign of a candidate I don't support. You would also have to have the D's and R's create laws that take away their advantage. You REALLY don't think that is going to happen do you.
Short term what we need is the current congressional leadership thrown out. Long term something like the Unity 08 idea they were pushing last presidential election is the way to go but do it for congressional and President in 12.
I am not so sure it was an accident that Obama and Mclame were the nominees for their respected parties in 08. Having two party "outsiders" as the nominees killed the unity movement. I think a lot of that energy was absorbed by the tea party. If the Republicans gain control of Congress and continue down this same road that tea party energy would be easy to pull into another unity candidate.
By the way, in their on line polling and such Unity's candidate of choice in 08? Ron Paul. Don't know if he would have been the one had they gone through with the plan but it would have been interesting.
What Supreme Court ruling in the 90's makes it impossible to impose term limits on Congress? It's NEVER imposssible to change an Amendment whereby term limits could be implemented. The Supreme Court doesn't have that much power.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3237691
Another example of partisan politics, and the adverse effects of it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35638054/ns/business/
Yeah, if you are going to take a stand on that do it right and move to abolish the federal government's role in highway funding period. A hugely inefficient system. In this day and age there is no reason why the states shouldn't handle this themselves. Maybe not in the immediate future because of all the budget messes right now but start moving that direction.
It is a lot more complicated than a single person being able to hold it up. His party will either have to vote for or against him so as long as Dirty Harry doesn't drag his feet this should be resolved pretty quick.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3237710
What Supreme Court ruling in the 90's makes it impossible to impose term limits on Congress? It's NEVER imposssible to change an Amendment whereby term limits could be implemented. The Supreme Court doesn't have that much power.
They ruled that individual states could not impose term limits on congressional races. What that means is it would take a constitutional amendment to term limit congress. You can't seriously think members of congress are EVER going to do that.
 
sickboy

sickboy

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3237705
I'd ask for a tuition refund if your instructor claims it's insurance companies driving the inflation in health care.
Insurance is part of the problem but also a symptom.
Not insurance companies per se, but the advent of the insurance product. If you'd like me to go into a long boring economist detail of how it manipulates the demand for health care services, I can, but I won't until someone decides to punish themselves with boredom by asking.
 
reefraff

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3238177
Not insurance companies per se, but the advent of the insurance product. If you'd like me to go into a long boring economist detail of how it manipulates the demand for health care services, I can, but I won't until someone decides to punish themselves with boredom by asking.
Unless people want to actually start paying out of pocket for the cost of their own medical care insurance is the best game in town, period.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3238260
I said it before and I'll say it again, if the Spenduless came close to working the government wouldn't have felt the need to make up all the fictitious data about it.
What ficticious data? The latest reports I've seen are that consumer spending has started to slowly come back up, and unemployment numbers have gone down slightly. Obama stated from the onset of the stimulus package that it wouldn't fix things overnight. He didn't expect any major changes to occur for at least a couple of years. The stimulus was intended to slow down and hopefully stop our economic system from going from a recession to a depression. As complex as the economic system is in this country, I don't see how anyone could expect any change, whether it be a stimulus package or dramatic spending cuts, could show any major results overnight. No matter what plan Obama tried to use to turn the economy around, I would expect it to take at least two years, if not more, before any positive results were shown.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top